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[billvon 2,379]

>What's to stop said wacko from going to his vehicle, getting in, starting the ignition
>and simply running everyone in the packing area over?

Fences. Posts. Curbs. Mud. Buildings. The fact that people can run faster than a car that's trying to drive through a tent. Which is why people tend to use guns instead of cars for mass murder.

Many things can be used to kill people. Guns are DESIGNED to kill people. That means they are really not the same as cars, or spoons, or pieces of wood.

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You could be a at your DZ and some wacko gets banned from AFF goes to his vehicle and gets out an assault rifle and lets rip or you go to a theme park and some wacko does not like standing in line. produces a handgun. Or after minor traffic acccident etc.

What's to stop said wacko from going to his vehicle, getting in, starting the ignition and simply running everyone in the packing area over? Same thing in the traffic incident? It's not about the tool. It's about the person. Why won't y'all get this? What about this little black object with brass and lead scares everyone so much to think that someone is just gonna willy-nilly start shooting anytime they want?

How many homicides committed with cars last year? How many with guns? See a difference?

Over 32,000 people died in 2010 in the US in traffic collisions (latest statistical year available). That's roughly 90 people a day. Many of those accidents resulted in negligent homicide charges and many of those did not involve alcohol. In fact, many are like one I'm working right now that was a result of someone unwilling to be a calm and patient driver and we're seeking a negligent charge on her.

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[kallend 1,618]

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You could be a at your DZ and some wacko gets banned from AFF goes to his vehicle and gets out an assault rifle and lets rip or you go to a theme park and some wacko does not like standing in line. produces a handgun. Or after minor traffic acccident etc.

What's to stop said wacko from going to his vehicle, getting in, starting the ignition and simply running everyone in the packing area over? Same thing in the traffic incident? It's not about the tool. It's about the person. Why won't y'all get this? What about this little black object with brass and lead scares everyone so much to think that someone is just gonna willy-nilly start shooting anytime they want?

How many homicides committed with cars last year? How many with guns? See a difference?

Over 32,000 people died in 2010 in the US in traffic collisions (latest statistical year available). That's roughly 90 people a day. Many of those accidents resulted in negligent homicide charges and many of those did not involve alcohol. In fact, many are like one I'm working right now that was a result of someone unwilling to be a calm and patient driver and we're seeking a negligent charge on her.

Do you see any difference between negligent homicide and deliberate, premeditated homicide? Do the courts?

HOW MANY accidental traffic deaths were, in fact, homicides?

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'After 11 years in Policing 2 yrs in prisons and 16 years PSO ing govt buildings I still do not know'... What an assault rifle is.

It is like defining pornography. I know it when I see it.

ETA: I just remembered, back in the 70's there was a period where I slept with a shotgun. Is that pornographic?

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'After 11 years in Policing 2 yrs in prisons and 16 years PSO ing govt buildings I still do not know'... What an assault rifle is.

It is like defining pornography. I know it when I see it.

ETA: I just remembered, back in the 70's there was a period where I slept with a shotgun. Is that pornographic?

www.williamkwolfrum.com/2011/01/14/scientists-discover-that-no-matter-how-many-guns-you-own-your-penis-will-remain-small-and-insignificant/

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[AggieDave 6]

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Do you see any difference between negligent homicide and deliberate, premeditated homicide? Do the courts?

HOW MANY accidental traffic deaths were, in fact, homicides?

You weren't a cop long enough to work enough fatality accidents or violent crimes to understand that both are bad and one kills more every single day than the other. Sit in your ivory tower and try to understand what it is like out in the real world. The rest of us are out there working in it and picking up the pieces.

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[JerryBaumchen 1,046]

Hi greg,

A recent letter to the editor here in Oregon ( after the Oregon mall shootings & before the Connecticut school shootings ) from a 30-yr law enforcement officer. He said that whenever he goes into a restaurant he always sits so he can see the door and who is coming in.

I had never thought of something like that but it would offer a better level of safety in one of these situations.

JerryBaumchen

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Do you see any difference between negligent homicide and deliberate, premeditated homicide? Do the courts?

HOW MANY accidental traffic deaths were, in fact, homicides?

You weren't a cop long enough to work enough fatality accidents or violent crimes to understand that both are bad and one kills more every single day than the other. Sit in your ivory tower and try to understand what it is like out in the real world. The rest of us are out there working in it and picking up the pieces.

How about answering the question.

HOW MANY accidental traffic deaths were, in fact, homicides?

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I have done that for years. Always study your surroundings.

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Banning guns won't work here. What is needed is to stop it being trivially easy for anyone, even a crazy person, to get a semi-auto weapon. We have a so-called background check that is so easy to circumvent it may as well not exist.

MSNBC Video: Lanza reportedly tried to buy rifle, was denied

Yeah, you want to try that one again, professor?

Well, the problem is, his mother had guns, and reports are that they might have been he source of his weapons.

And, the medical examiner reports that the victims were shot multiple times with a rifle.

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Do you see any difference between negligent homicide and deliberate, premeditated homicide? Do the courts?

HOW MANY accidental traffic deaths were, in fact, homicides?

You weren't a cop long enough to work enough fatality accidents or violent crimes to understand that both are bad and one kills more every single day than the other. Sit in your ivory tower and try to understand what it is like out in the real world. The rest of us are out there working in it and picking up the pieces.

How about answering the question.

HOW MANY accidental traffic deaths were, in fact, homicides?

All of them.

Try to focus for a moment instead of an attempt to flip the conversation. You may want to consults Blacks, since what you think "homicide" means is not what homicide means. Homicide is a very broad term that encompasses a human being killing another. You're trying to shoe-horn what is criminal homicide or premeditated homicide into your definition. That is simply not the case. I hope you had a better understanding of these sorts of things when you were actually working for a police department.

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'After 11 years in Policing 2 yrs in prisons and 16 years PSO ing govt buildings I still do not know'... What an assault rifle is.

You know what I mean the high cal Military weapons

In the vernacular an "assault rifle" is something scary looking which most people have only seen on TV. The most popular American, Belgian, and German designs are usually black although I've seen photos of pink ones made for girls.

The most popular American designed "assault rifles" aren't legal for deer hunting in some states and are frowned upon elsewhere because they lack the power to make a clean kill sufficiently likely at ranges of interest.

The most popular eastern block "assault rifles" fire a .30 caliber bullet but use a small cartridge and powder charge with about half the power of American big game rifles chambered in the most popular caliber (.30-06, as in the 1906 year of introduction).

"Sport-utility rifle" is a better description.

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Try to read up before making snarky comments. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtown,_Connecticut_school_shooting#section_2

Calmly discussing or asking gets you much more leeway than being aggressive. Now you look like someone too lazy to check before complaining and acting like you know better.

"Forcing his way in" needs defined. Did he break through the locked door. Did he throw a chair through a window to get in. If he had to force his way in then the controls were not adaquate.

What does snarky mean? Also, not checking a new post on Wipi that is so lacking of information doesn't mean you are lazy. I"m telling you there are elementry schools across this nation that are completely open. The Amish school in PA was open. Guy walked right in and killed a bunch of kids.


I say, make it really really hard for the perp to gain access.
And if you can't do that, then my kids get home schooled.

[Bertt 0]

News report said the school was locked. Visitors had to be buzzed in after being recognized on security camera. Gunman shot out the glass in the door, reached in and opened it. Even a reinforced door can be opened by the determined use of force.
Are you going to have time to home-school the kids with all the skydiving you're doing? (example of snarky comment)

You don't have to outrun the bear.

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'After 11 years in Policing 2 yrs in prisons and 16 years PSO ing govt buildings I still do not know'... What an assault rifle is.

You know what I mean the high cal Military weapons

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so how can we? Large caliber is the antithesis of assault weapons.

An assault rifle is correctly defined as being a shoulder fired select-fire carbine of intermediate caliber with removable magazine. There is no known widely accepted definition of assault weapon.

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Banning guns won't work here. What is needed is to stop it being trivially easy for anyone, even a crazy person, to get a semi-auto weapon. We have a so-called background check that is so easy to circumvent it may as well not exist.

MSNBC Video: Lanza reportedly tried to buy rifle, was denied

Yeah, you want to try that one again, professor?

OH, then he must have used a knife. No, wait, he got it from his Mom, a gun nut herself.

Wouldn't you think a self-confessed gun enthusiast would have been smart enough to secure her firearms when she knew she had a son with "mental problems" (to quote the gunman's brother). No, neither would I, based on what I see written by gun nuts on here.

Oh, so now you admit there's nothing wrong with the background check and purchasing system in this country? Don't you hate it when facts get in the way of your argument?

So now your problem is that a legal possessor of an item (in this case, firearms) did not secure said items in such a way as to render them unavailable to their murderer? For all you know the guns were stored in a safe, and the shooter only got access to them after murdering the first victim. I'm not saying that's what happened, but you seem awful sure of yourself.

ps - Is everyone who owns four or more firearms a "gun nut" in your mind? Is there something wrong with being a "gun nut"?

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[kelpdiver 2]

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Yeah we have some gun crime here but rare in comparison with the USA. Certainly not assault rifle stuff.(banned many years ago)

population of Australia - 22M
population of America - 320M
over 14x difference. Of course it's rarer to you.

demographics of Oz - 91% White, 7% Asian, 2% Aboriginal. I don't think we need to bother spelling out the difference here.

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Once teachers are known to be armed, who do you think will be the first target for a loony with a gun entering a classroom?

I am a teacher and I have no wish to set myself up as the primary target of a nutter with a gun.

One of today's articles describes 3 teachers who put themselves in harm's way. 2 left safety to go towards the sound of shots fired and if we can take on faith what the reporter wrote, were shot execution style. One other blocked the children in a cabinet as was shot for it.

Can anyone argue that they would have been worse off armed, rather than sheep walking towards the slaughter? They had no options here, they knew it. They were just trying to buy time for a response, putting the children's well being ahead of their own. I wish they could have had better options than that.

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How many homicides committed with cars last year? How many with guns? See a difference?

Driving drunk in vehicular homicide. No other way to view it. Perhaps Dave knows how many of the roughly 20k killed were the drunk driver (suicide) versus others (murdered).

If you remove felons killing other felons from the 10k in shootings (since who fucking cares about either of them), I see the drunks winning this comparison by a mile.

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If it isn't guns then it's gonna be knives. I for one would rather be shot to death then butchered to death.

Can't blame the guns for the idiots holding them. Why not ban planes too since they took down the twin towers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ERODZ7eac

There should be no such thing as a "gun free zone." The laws should be changed requiring x number of armed guards per y occupants if they wish to ban legal gun owners from carrying

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[Kennedy 0]

Making Sense of the Sandy Hook School Shootings as a Criminologist

A very good article skimming the surface of determining policy through fear versus managing fear responsibly.

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Once teachers are known to be armed, who do you think will be the first target for a loony with a gun entering a classroom?

I am a teacher and I have no wish to set myself up as the primary target of a nutter with a gun.

One of today's articles describes 3 teachers who put themselves in harm's way. 2 left safety to go towards the sound of shots fired and if we can take on faith what the reporter wrote, were shot execution style. One other blocked the children in a cabinet as was shot for it.

Can anyone argue that they would have been worse off armed, rather than sheep walking towards the slaughter? They had no options here, they knew it. They were just trying to buy time for a response, putting the children's well being ahead of their own. I wish they could have had better options than that.

I wish they could've had better options too. :(

But having armed teachers isn't the solution. What if it transpires one of the armed teachers is a nutter and runs amok? Arm the kids??

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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But having armed teachers isn't the solution. What if it transpires one of the armed teachers is a nutter and runs amok? Arm the kids??

If a crazed teacher decides to start shooting people, do you really think a "gun free zone" law will stop them from bringing in a gun?

However, if in the remote chance one of these legally armed teachers did go crazy and started shooting, one of the other armed teachers and/or school staff would be able to quickly respond and put a stop to it by whatever means necessary.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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But having armed teachers isn't the solution. What if it transpires one of the armed teachers is a nutter and runs amok? Arm the kids??

If a crazed teacher decides to start shooting people, do you really think a "gun free zone" law will stop them from bringing in a gun?

However, if in the remote chance one of these legally armed teachers did go crazy and started shooting, one of the other armed teachers and/or school staff would be able to quickly respond and put a stop to it by whatever means necessary.

But how 'remote' is that chance? And what if the teacher barricaded the door? What then?

And the only 'gun free zone' I've alluded to is a national civilian populace.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Once teachers are known to be armed, who do you think will be the first target for a loony with a gun entering a classroom?

I am a teacher and I have no wish to set myself up as the primary target of a nutter with a gun.

So you're saying kill the children first?

Nope. I'm saying that the solution to gun violence is NOT more guns, any more than the solution to rising CO2 in the atmosphere is more cars burning gasoline.