Some advise for the GOP in a changing world

[CanuckInUSA 0]

If the GOP want to survive in a ever changing world, they need to talk to Canadian Member of Parliament Jason Kenney and find out from him how he was able to break the Liberal media bias to go out and win a huge block of the ethnic vote in Canada's last federal election back 2011 which delivered the Conservatives their majority government victory.

Mr Kenney spent the better part of two years criss crossing the entire country visiting virtually every ethnic community and convinced many of them that the Conservatives were not this evil racist party like the media made them out to be. He convinced many in these ethnic communities that many of their values were similar to the values the Conservative Party had. Mr Kenney was hard at work pounding the pavement, and the Liberals just sat back and assumed that they were entitled to 100% of the ethnic vote without the need to lift a finger. Oh my how the mighty Liberal machine fell, and fell hard all thanks to the hard work of one man.

So GOP, if you want to survive in an ever changing world. Pick up the phone and call Jason Kenney and pick his brain. David Cameron, Prime Minister of the UK took notice of Mr Kenney's efforts and he has already talked to him.

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[AMax 0]

I have no doubdt the top GOP advisors are reading this form and taking notes

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Of course they don't read this forum. Let's not be obtuse. Just made the post to talk about a man who through a lot of hard work was able to break the Liberal media bias and deliver a huge block of the ethnic vote. If you don't care, you don't care. Nothing I say will ever change that. But the Conservatives succeeded in Canada (which is even more ethnically diverse than the US is) and their success can be traced to the hard work of this one man.

Just a little advise to American conservatives. You need to reach out to the ethnic communities, talk to them and try to find common ground. You can beat the Liberal media bias, but only if you have boots on the ground.

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[Southern_Man 0]

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Just a little advise to American conservatives. You need to reach out to the ethnic communities, talk to them and try to find common ground. You can beat the Liberal media bias, but only if you have boots on the ground.

This would be a necessary step but it would also be necessary to change a lot of the platform emphasis as well.

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[DanG 1]

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If the GOP want to survive in a ever changing world...

...they need to stop blaming the "liberal media" for all their problems.

- Dan G

[airdvr 197]

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If the GOP want to survive in a ever changing world...

...they need to stop blaming the "liberal media" for all their problems.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/11/07/chris_matthews_im_so_glad_we_had_that_storm_last_week.html

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[StreetScooby 5]

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...they need to stop blaming the "liberal media" for all their problems.

Considering that reported Fox viewer numbers exceeds all other liberal stations, I think there's something to be said here. Though, every time I see a TV on at work, it's one of the liberal MSM stations.

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[SkyDekker 1,121]

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If the GOP want to survive in a ever changing world...

...they need to stop blaming the "liberal media" for all their problems.



- Dan G

For a party that is supposed to be big on personal responsibility and claims that those who haven't succeeded, just haven't worked hard enough. For a party like that, they are sure quick to blame others for their own failures.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Don't you just love how these out of touch extreme left wingers feel perfectly justified to jump in here and start telling Conservative right wingers what they need to do to win elections? It's actually pretty simple. Just convince a few groups, like women, hispanics and a few other minorities that it's rich white guys causing all their pain and that you will give them some free goodies if they vote for your guy. Then add in some scare tactics such as the other guy will take this or that away from you.

What a sad party the Democrats have become. Certainly not the party of JFK.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".

[DanG 1]

Thank you for proving the point. The GOP is doomed.

- Dan G

[SkyDekker 1,121]

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"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".

Of course, those who did ask what they can do for their country got sent of to die, so a white guy could feel better than his daddy.

(I mean if we are going to post simplified bullshit, we might as well give it from both sides)

[billvon 2,384]

>Considering that reported Fox viewer numbers exceeds all other liberal stations, I
>think there's something to be said here.

Yes, there is - the right wingers who complain about liberal media bias have it exactly backwards. From skewing the polls to the right to trying to suppress democratic voting by quoting Romney far more often than Obama, they've given it their best shot.

[GeorgiaDon 340]

Hence your party's strategy of ethnic cleansing at the polls. How's that working out for you? Race baiting (Nixon's "Southern strategy") worked for a while, but now you're reaping what you sowed.

Don

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[Gravitymaster 0]

Bullshit.

The election was simply about 2 different mindsets. Republicans were the party of free markets. Democrats were the party of free stuff.
Don't try and spin it into anything other than what it was.
You do understand that the margin was only 2%, right?

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Thank you for proving the point. The GOP is doomed.

No point was proven. It's actually pretty laughable that anyone would think that.

[billvon 2,384]

>The election was simply about 2 different mindsets. Republicans were the party of
>free markets. Democrats were the party of free stuff.

. . . and about freedom. Democrats were the party of having the freedom to do what you want with your body. Republicans were the party of forcing women to carry the children of rapists.

Or maybe the economy. Democrats wanted to balance the budget by cutting spending and increasing taxes. Republicans wanted to balance the budget by increasing defense and medicare spending and cutting taxes.

So many sound bites, so hard to pick one. But whatever sound bite you finally settle on, tell yourself that's all the election was about.

[lawrocket 3]

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The election was simply about 2 different mindsets. Republicans were the party of free markets. Democrats were the party of free stuff.

Bullshit. Neither party is about free markets. Both are about free stuff. Ryan is as close as a Republican gets to a free market, and he's pretty far off.

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[Kennedy 0]

Bill, what gets me is not what they talked about, it's what they didn't. States rights vs role of the Feds. What the federal reserve is doing. NDAA/indefinite detention. Privacy. SOPA and PIPA and how broken the copyright system is (genes, medicine, research, and popular performance art like music and movies). Expansion if the TSA and the related reduction of civil rights. Et cetera ad nauseam.

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[StreetScooby 5]

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Yes, there is - the right wingers who complain about liberal media bias have it exactly backwards. From skewing the polls to the right to trying to suppress democratic voting by quoting Romney far more often than Obama, they've given it their best shot.

Just to be clear here, I do not watch any TV news. Can't stand either sides' presentation. Chris Matthews, O'Reilly, etc.

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[billvon 2,384]

>Bill, what gets me is not what they talked about, it's what they didn't. States rights vs
>role of the Feds. What the federal reserve is doing. NDAA/indefinite detention. Privacy.
>SOPA and PIPA and how broken the copyright system is (genes, medicine, research,
>and popular performance art like music and movies). Expansion if the TSA and the
>related reduction of civil rights. Et cetera ad nauseam.

Agreed. In general the moderators of the debates picked the most popular issues, which were the topics most reported on by the media; these topics were often created in their own echo chambers. These in turn were the most divisive parts of both campaigns. Thus Obama's Iraq performance was focused on because FOX played that up; Ryan's budget magic was focused on because CNN played that up.

Not too many people were interested in things like tenth amendment issues, or potential actions to prevent/mitigate the fiscal cliff we're heading towards - because they are boring, and the networks that put on debates want to sell airtime.

[Southern_Man 0]

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Bullshit.

The election was simply about 2 different mindsets. Republicans were the party of free markets. Democrats were the party of free stuff.
Don't try and spin it into anything other than what it was.
You do understand that the margin was only 2%, right?

Republicans need to stop buying into simplistic bullshit like this.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[kallend 1,621]

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Don't you just love how these out of touch extreme left wingers feel perfectly justified to jump in here and start telling Conservative right wingers what they need to do to win elections? It's actually pretty simple. Just convince a few groups, like women, hispanics and a few other minorities that it's rich white guys causing all their pain and that you will give them some free goodies if they vote for your guy.

So Mourdock, Walsh, Akin, etc., are now extreme left wingers?

Romney's loss has made you delusional.

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[airdvr 197]

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>Considering that reported Fox viewer numbers exceeds all other liberal stations, I
>think there's something to be said here.

Yes, there is - the right wingers who complain about liberal media bias have it exactly backwards. From skewing the polls to the right to trying to suppress democratic voting by quoting Romney far more often than Obama, they've given it their best shot.

Post up some examples Bill.

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[billvon 2,384]

>Mr Kenney spent the better part of two years criss crossing the entire country
>visiting virtually every ethnic community and convinced many of them that the
>Conservatives were not this evil racist party like the media made them out to be.

That's one important part of the equation. The second important part is not really being an evil racist party. (And this applies to both sides.)

One of the things that really hurt the GOP this time around (IMO) was the gap between what they said and what they did. Romney kept softpedaling around the abortion issue, saying during the campaign that abortion should be an option in some cases. But their platform doesn't say that, Romney had said he would be "delighted" to ban all abortions previously, and three times during the campaign GOPers were caught saying things that suggested there should be no exceptions for rape:

1) Trying to define "violent rape" as opposed to run-of-the-mill rape;
2) Claiming that you couldn't get pregnant during "legitimate rape" so there was no need for an exception for rape; and
3) Claiming that pregnancies due to rape were a "gift from God" that God meant to happen.

GOPers repudiated such sayings publicly, then went right back to supporting them when the spotlight turned away. (Akin in particular was very publicly dropped by the GOP, who went back to funding him two months later once the furor died down.) Once can surely be a simple slip of the tongue, two times could be coincidence, but three times?

[kallend 1,621]

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>Mr Kenney spent the better part of two years criss crossing the entire country
>visiting virtually every ethnic community and convinced many of them that the
>Conservatives were not this evil racist party like the media made them out to be.

That's one important part of the equation. The second important part is not really being an evil racist party. (And this applies to both sides.)

One of the things that really hurt the GOP this time around (IMO) was the gap between what they said and what they did. Romney kept softpedaling around the abortion issue, saying during the campaign that abortion should be an option in some cases. But their platform doesn't say that, Romney had said he would be "delighted" to ban all abortions previously, and three times during the campaign GOPers were caught saying things that suggested there should be no exceptions for rape:

1) Trying to define "violent rape" as opposed to run-of-the-mill rape;
2) Claiming that you couldn't get pregnant during "legitimate rape" so there was no need for an exception for rape; and
3) Claiming that pregnancies due to rape were a "gift from God" that God meant to happen.

GOPers repudiated such sayings publicly, then went right back to supporting them when the spotlight turned away. (Akin in particular was very publicly dropped by the GOP, who went back to funding him two months later once the furor died down.) Once can surely be a simple slip of the tongue, two times could be coincidence, but three times?

Once is happenstance
Twice is coincidence
Three times is enemy action; Auric Goldfinger

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