kallend 1,621 #1 October 11, 2012 www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/412675-Implications-of-the-Affordable-Care-Act-for-American-Business.pdf Long detailed report with this last paragraph: Overall, the evidence simply does not support critics’ arguments that the ACA will burden employers and undermine employer-sponsored health insurance. On the contrary, except for a cost increase to mid-size employers due largely to enrollment increases, the ACA benefits rather than burdens small employers who want to provide health insurance, leaves the overall costs of employer-sponsored health insurance largely unchanged, and offers the potential, through cost containment, of slowing the growth in health care costs, benefiting private along with public purchasers of health insurance. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #2 October 11, 2012 QuoteToday, federal government contracts provide about 55% of the Institute’s operating funds, foundations another 34%, and state and local governments and private individuals the rest Jamie Gorelick and Judy Woodruff are on their BOD. Yep, there's a source we can trust to tell the truth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 October 11, 2012 Who commissioned the report? This has been an exceedingly important factor for you with relation to other subjects. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #4 October 11, 2012 This is just another part of the total pile of crap we are going to be treated to from now until the election. Just today they announced that unemployment claims were down. Problem is the State of California "forgot" to be included in the number. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,384 #5 October 11, 2012 This does not fit the correct GOP-approved "everything sucks" spin and so will be rejected out of hand. Perhaps a faithful GOP supporter could fire a bunch of people, claim it's due to Obamacare and thus "prove" it wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #6 October 11, 2012 QuoteThis does not fit the correct GOP-approved "everything sucks" spin and so will be rejected out of hand. Perhaps a faithful GOP supporter could fire a bunch of people, claim it's due to Obamacare and thus "prove" it wrong. Bill, some of us are just a bit more cynical than you. The timing of these wonderful reports about unemployment and housing raises my spidey sense. I hope I'm wrong but i didn't live 5 decades without learning a thing or 2 about a thing or 2.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #7 October 11, 2012 QuoteThis does not fit the correct GOP-approved "everything sucks" spin and so will be rejected out of hand. Perhaps a faithful GOP supporter could fire a bunch of people, claim it's due to Obamacare and thus "prove" it wrong. It also fits the "all is great thanks to Obama" spin being put forth by the other side. There is a middle ground. Things are neither as bad as some say nor as rosy as others say. And the numbers are subject to interpretation for cause. These numbers don't exist in a vacuum. All sides know it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #8 October 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteThis does not fit the correct GOP-approved "everything sucks" spin and so will be rejected out of hand. Perhaps a faithful GOP supporter could fire a bunch of people, claim it's due to Obamacare and thus "prove" it wrong. It also fits the "all is great thanks to Obama" spin being put forth by the other side. . NO, it doesn't. It quite explicitly states that mid sized business would not be better off. Maybe you should try reading it before critiquing it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,384 #9 October 11, 2012 >There is a middle ground. Things are neither as bad as some say nor as rosy as others say. Exactly. We are recovering from a recession. Indexes like unemployment, foreclosures and bankruptcy rates are coming down as people get jobs and can afford their expenses again. Democrats would have you believe everything is great and the recovery has completed, all due to Obama; republicans would have you believe that we are still at the bottom of a crippling recession with no hope (other than Romney of course) in sight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #10 October 11, 2012 I read it. I was referring in general to billvon. I have been known to be less-than-perfectly-clear. Indeed, I've been saying I'm wrong and apologizing a lot lately. What's with me? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #11 October 11, 2012 Quote>There is a middle ground. Things are neither as bad as some say nor as rosy as others say. Exactly. We are recovering from a recession. Indexes like unemployment, foreclosures and bankruptcy rates are coming down as people get jobs and can afford their expenses again. Democrats would have you believe everything is great and the recovery has completed, all due to Obama; republicans would have you believe that we are still at the bottom of a crippling recession with no hope (other than Romney of course) in sight. recovering? I guess the huge increase in part time work is a recovery for you. I say it is stabilizing and waiting for something to send it up or down. As far as the huge increase in part time jobs I feel that is because of the uncertanty and the insurance mandate in the ACA. part time is cheaper for the employer since the ACA will be in full effect by next year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,384 #12 October 12, 2012 >recovering? I guess the huge increase in part time work is a recovery for you. No, but the overall decrease in unemployment is. (And thank you for once again proving my point.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #13 October 13, 2012 If I was a teacher: 1 I'd give this run-on sentence an F 2 Id fail the kid for stating facts about a law that won't be in effect for 2 years 3 I'd kick the kid's dad's ass for letting him type things about "cost increase to mid-size employers" On the contrary, except for a cost increase to mid-size employers due largely to enrollment increases, the ACA benefits rather than burdens small employers who want to provide health insurance, leaves the overall costs of employer-sponsored health insurance largely unchanged, and offers the potential, through cost containment, of slowing the growth in health care costs, benefiting private along with public purchasers of health insurance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #14 October 13, 2012 QuoteAccordingly, the small low wage employers are very unlikely to offer insurance coverage to their workers and often find themselves at a disadvantage in competing with large employers for workers. The ACA will create a much more level playing field for these small employers, owing to the law’s market reforms, exchanges, and subsidies that will allow their workers to purchase affordable, adequate coverage directly. So what about small high-wage employers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Croc 0 #15 October 13, 2012 Not a run-on sentence."Here's a good specimen of my own wisdom. Something is so, except when it isn't so." Charles Fort, commenting on the many contradictions of astronomy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #16 October 14, 2012 QuoteNot a run-on sentence. Not a sentence!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,116 #17 October 14, 2012 And if I were a teacher, I'd start by mentioning that "If I was a teacher" is a more egregious grammatical sin than any of the sins that you enumerate. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #18 October 14, 2012 QuoteAnd if I were a teacher, I'd start by mentioning that "If I was a teacher" is a more egregious grammatical sin than any of the sins that you enumerate. Wendy P. Sory. If I be a teacherRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #19 October 14, 2012 QuoteQuoteAccordingly, the small low wage employers are very unlikely to offer insurance coverage to their workers and often find themselves at a disadvantage in competing with large employers for workers. The ACA will create a much more level playing field for these small employers, owing to the law’s market reforms, exchanges, and subsidies that will allow their workers to purchase affordable, adequate coverage directly. So what about small high-wage employers? They did all they could prior to the dates laws became mandatory. We lost all our coverage over a phased in program. The one and only reason, from their legal and accounting team, the ACA. The lays offs, are a result of the lack of leadership in D.C. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites