ChangoLanzao 0 #1 July 24, 2012 Watch. This is what the truth sounds like. CLICKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #3 July 24, 2012 QuoteDisagree. +1 Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #4 July 24, 2012 QuoteDisagree. I agree with you. Mr Moyers hit the spin button and pushed the throttle forward, even spreading an already proven lie all over again for his personal political advancement. I would like to know where he got the accidental gun shot wound stat he mentions. Most historians who are truthful (and not trying to embellish a story for sales) have shown the perceived wild west gun violence to be far less than us modern know it all believe. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 1,933 #5 July 24, 2012 I prefer "purveyor of death" or "wholesaler of death." The Costco of Death if you will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #6 July 24, 2012 When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 417 #7 July 24, 2012 We're going to need a similar name for the College Loan program. It WAS as clearly a contributor in the deaths of those 12 people as the NRA, weapons in general, and all legal gun owners on the planet were. For supposedly intelligent people, I'm constantly floored by the typical knee jerk reaction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #8 July 24, 2012 QuoteWe're going to need a similar name for the College Loan program. It WAS as clearly a contributor in the deaths of those 12 people as the NRA, weapons in general, and all legal gun owners on the planet were. For supposedly intelligent people, I'm constantly floored by the typical knee jerk reaction. Start wearing a cup. Keeps me from getting floored. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #9 July 24, 2012 QuoteWatch. This is what the truth sounds like. CLICKY Nope. The NRA is a defender of America whose only regrettable trait is too much compromise. I let my membership lapse and joined a gun-rights association (Jews For the Preservation of Firearms Ownership) which panders less to self-styled liberals after I noted they (or more precisely the NRA-ILA) was endorsing Republicans who were more anti-gun than their Democrat opposition. The key there is that gun control is genocide, and even if gun control could reduce the murder rate (it hasn't worked real well in places like Washington DC, Mexico, or Jamaica) we'd need a thousand years to match the body count from a somewhat effective genocidal regime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 172 #10 July 24, 2012 QuoteI'm constantly floored by the typical knee jerk reaction. ...but it's fun, and that's what we're here for...in'it?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #11 July 24, 2012 I think that had a few people in that theater been armed - and TRAINED to employ those weapons - that the shooter would be in the morgue right now and fewer other people would be there. I also find it sickeningly saddening that people may shudder to think of the bloodbath that would have resulted if some in the theater were armed and attempted to neutralize the guy. Sorry, Mr. Moyers. You're off the mark here. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #12 July 24, 2012 QuoteI think that had a few people in that theater been armed - and TRAINED to employ those weapons - that the shooter would be in the morgue right now and fewer other people would be there. That's not what several trained people have posted in this and other threads.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #13 July 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteI think that had a few people in that theater been armed - and TRAINED to employ those weapons - that the shooter would be in the morgue right now and fewer other people would be there. That's not what several trained people have posted in this and other threads. Some have, some have not. But it is a "what if" we wont know the answer too. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie 3 #14 July 24, 2012 read what he said, "i think" that's the important part. as well as what others have said. there is no way of knowing, only guesses based on past examples. had i been there, i "know" how i would have reacted, i've been on the receiving end of gunfire before, although not in the same situation. of course, that is conjecture as well, any number of things could cause a different outcome.http://kitswv.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #15 July 24, 2012 Quote Mr Moyers hit the spin button and pushed the throttle forward, even spreading an already proven lie all over again for his personal political advancement. Whether one agrees or disagrees with him, Moyers is 78 years old now, and his professional reputation is long since secured for whatever it may be. And while he, like anyone, has his own personal ideology, it's doubtful that at his age he has much more in the way of ambition for advancement. Interesting factoid - he's basically a Texas boy. FWIW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #16 July 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI think that had a few people in that theater been armed - and TRAINED to employ those weapons - that the shooter would be in the morgue right now and fewer other people would be there. That's not what several trained people have posted in this and other threads. Some have, some have not. But it is a "what if" we wont know the answer too. Matt I agree. It's a "what if" which is why I wrote "I think." Not stated as a fact, but an opinion. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 54 #17 July 24, 2012 QuoteWatch. This is what the truth sounds like. CLICKY It is not truth, it is just liberal spin. Let's not forget that Moyers was there at the beginning of President Johnson's Great Society ideology. One of the first experiments was Project 100,000. That was the drafting of 100,000 young men who could not attend college. Vietnam provided a guaranteed attrition to the Great Society funding. Liberal Democrats, consistently failing since 1964.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #18 July 24, 2012 Quote Quote Watch. This is what the truth sounds like. CLICKY It is not truth, it is just liberal spin. Let's not forget that Moyers was there at the beginning of President Johnson's Great Society ideology. One of the first experiments was Project 100,000. That was the drafting of 100,000 young men who could not attend college. Vietnam provided a guaranteed attrition to the Great Society funding. Liberal Democrats, consistently failing since 1964. Interesting Wiki write-up on Project 100,000 Here. It bears reading in its entirety. According to the article, 54% of the participants were volunteers, while 46% were conscripts. I'm not so sure the intent was to "kill 'em off" (it was touted as a sort of social-opportunity program), but that was the net effect. You know, one of my earliest real-time memories of the Vietnam War as a kid was hearing that Johnson was sending 100,000 troops to Vietnam. Coincidence of numbers? Mmmm, No. Sure glad to know that we've learned our lesson, and that kind of "recruit the cannon fodder" mentality doesn't exist in US government or military nowadays. [/sarcasm] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #19 July 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteWatch. This is what the truth sounds like. CLICKY It is not truth, it is just liberal spin. Let's not forget that Moyers was there at the beginning of President Johnson's Great Society ideology. One of the first experiments was Project 100,000. That was the drafting of 100,000 young men who could not attend college. Vietnam provided a guaranteed attrition to the Great Society funding. Liberal Democrats, consistently failing since 1964. Red herrings. Have nothing to do with anything he said in his editorial. Have nothing to do with the subject of this thread. But thanks for your insight! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #20 July 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteWatch. This is what the truth sounds like. CLICKY It is not truth, it is just liberal spin. Let's not forget that Moyers was there at the beginning of President Johnson's Great Society ideology. One of the first experiments was Project 100,000. That was the drafting of 100,000 young men who could not attend college. Vietnam provided a guaranteed attrition to the Great Society funding. Liberal Democrats, consistently failing since 1964. Red herrings. Have nothing to do with anything he said in his editorial. Have nothing to do with the subject of this thread. But thanks for your insight! Red herring, when pickled and chilled, is excellent when served with cucumbers marinated in a dill-infused vinaigrette. I swear to God. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 897 #21 July 24, 2012 QuoteRed herring, when pickled and chilled, is excellent when served with cucumbers marinated in a dill-infused vinaigrette. I swear to God. Clearly proof there is a God. Such a dish would not and could not exist without one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 54 #22 July 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteWatch. This is what the truth sounds like. CLICKY It is not truth, it is just liberal spin. Let's not forget that Moyers was there at the beginning of President Johnson's Great Society ideology. One of the first experiments was Project 100,000. That was the drafting of 100,000 young men who could not attend college. Vietnam provided a guaranteed attrition to the Great Society funding. Liberal Democrats, consistently failing since 1964. Red herrings. Have nothing to do with anything he said in his editorial. Have nothing to do with the subject of this thread. But thanks for your insight! Sorry, I tend to type what comes into my head. Bill Moyers has no idea what the NRA stands for or what it does. He is nothing more than a life long liberal hack. Abeit, respected by many but not me. In the interest of full disclosure, I am a member of the NRA.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 1,933 #23 July 24, 2012 >That's not what several trained people have posted in this and other threads. Why would anyone in Speaker's Corner listen to what people who are actually trained think? Much better to imagine what they would think and then discuss that, and avoid the perils of direct experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 417 #24 July 24, 2012 I wish I could opt out of the ILA portion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ion01 1 #25 July 24, 2012 http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847 http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/479952_407676585934223_2073313614_n.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
