Florida Teen Shot

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It's ridiculous to say you have to wait till you're a split second from death (or dying) to be allowed to shoot.

Of course it is, who said that?

Blues,
Dave

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>At what point when your head is being repeatedly slammed into concrete
>by someone who is on top of you and has you pinned, do you get to
>decide you're going to die or suffer serious injury?

And the other question - at what point when you are being stalked by a guy with a gun and a violent criminal record do you get to decide that you might suffer serious injury?

Red herring, speculation, and at no point could TM have known the guy looking at him had a criminal record (which is paltry, and certainly no worse than TM's) nor did TM know he had a gun (until he got shot). But, to answer a purely hypothetical question, if a guy you know has a record and a gun is ONLY looking at you, you still don't have the right to punch him in the face, jump on top of him, and start cracking his skull. If you want to add the caveat that the gunman (aka GZ) is threatening you, or looking to kill you, or is trying to kill you, as it pertains to this case, that's for you to prove that's what happened. Not speculate. Not guess. So far, there is no evidence or witnesses that prove GZ picked the fight or was hunting TM down with the intent to start a fight, or kill for that matter.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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nor did TM know he had a gun (until he got shot).

We really don't know if he knew GM had a gun or not. Unfortunately he is not here to give us his side of the story.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[RonD1120 58]

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I thought your god had a rule against killing.

Just murder, self-defense and war are acceptable because evil exists.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[ianmdrennan 2]

So killing "evil" is ok?

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Why would you turn and attack someone who you knew had a gun and a violent criminal history?
Really?
And you are saying that Trayvon not only knew Zimmerman, but knew he had a gun and might be violent?
Really?
And what makes you believe Zimmerman had a violent criminal past?
He had a altercation with a cop and that makes him a violent criminal?
How about the criminal cops beating homeless men to death?
What if the cop instigated the altercation and thats why there was deferment or whatever they want to call it?
If you think you are being followed by a crazed gunman it would make you crazy as well if you turned and attacked them unarmed.

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So killing "evil" is ok?

Yep!

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[ianmdrennan 2]

Define evil - and I mean YOUR interpretation of evil. Not some dictionary reference.

While you're at it - define how you judge 'them' to be evil.

I'm genuinely curious as to your rational here.

Ian

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Define evil - and I mean YOUR interpretation of evil. Not some dictionary reference.

He has stated numerous times that ALL Muslims are evil, so I guess he can kill all he wants.

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

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Define evil - and I mean YOUR interpretation of evil. Not some dictionary reference.

While you're at it - define how you judge 'them' to be evil.

I'm genuinely curious as to your rational here.

Ian

I am not on trial here.

If you don't have an intuitive understanding of evil, my suggestion to you is, be very very careful when you are out in public. You might get killed.

That being said, it is like pornography, I know it when I see it.

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Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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If you don't have an intuitive understanding of evil, my suggestion to you is, be very very careful when you are out in public. You might get killed.

That being said, it is like pornography, I know it when I see.

Holy Crap

That's ignorance at its best. Pride goeth before a fall ....

Everyone has their own perception. Ever heard that? Anyhow, as long as it's within the rules, it's OK.

I really do not want to know what your *counselor* job means.

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dudeist skydiver # 3105

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If you don't have an intuitive understanding of evil, my suggestion to you is, be very very careful when you are out in public. You might get killed.

That being said, it is like pornography, I know it when I see.

Holy Crap

That's ignorance at its best. Pride goeth before a fall ....

Everyone has their own perception. Ever heard that? Anyhow, as long as its within the rules, it's OK.

I really do not want to know what your *counselor* job means.

I really enjoy watching you Libs get your panties in a bunch. Do you know "the rules?"

Reality exists in the mind of the beholder. Some people are crazy and some are sane. Some are evil and some are good. How do you tell the difference?

If a person starts acting and talking crazy I assume they are crazy. If someone threatens me I assume they are evil. As a professional with training, I can hang in there much longer than most people.

So, judge all you want from the outside looking in. Because, in the end that is where you are, namely, on the outside guessing about the inside.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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We have proof that Zimmerman followed TM.

We have proof that Zimmerman was in a fight.

We have proof that TM was shot dead by Zimmerman.

What we don't have yet (that I know of)

Any proof that Z profiled TM

Any proof that Z started the fight OR that TM started the fight

All we have is two groups of people here that are just SURE that there guy (Z or TM) is right

I will add this. So far MORE of what Z has said seems to be baring out.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

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>At what point when your head is being repeatedly slammed into concrete
>by someone who is on top of you and has you pinned, do you get to
>decide you're going to die or suffer serious injury?

And the other question - at what point when you are being stalked by a guy with a gun and a violent criminal record do you get to decide that you might suffer serious injury?

Gee, I don't know. How about as soon as you discover he:
1. Has a violent criminal record.
2. Has a gun.

Of course the sensible thing to do is not to attack someone who has these attributes when all you have is your fists.

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>At what point when your head is being repeatedly slammed into concrete
>by someone who is on top of you and has you pinned, do you get to
>decide you're going to die or suffer serious injury?

And the other question - at what point when you are being stalked by a guy with a gun and a violent criminal record do you get to decide that you might suffer serious injury?

Who was stalking?

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>Red herring, speculation

As is yours. No one knows what really happened.

>But, to answer a purely hypothetical question, if a guy you know has a
>record and a gun is ONLY looking at you, you still don't have the right to
>punch him in the face, jump on top of him, and start cracking his skull.

And if he threatens to kill you? Do you have to wait until he draws and fires before you can take action?

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If you don't have an intuitive understanding of evil, my suggestion to you is, be very very careful when you are out in public. You might get killed.

That being said, it is like pornography, I know it when I see.

Holy Crap

That's ignorance at its best. Pride goeth before a fall ....

Everyone has their own perception. Ever heard that? Anyhow, as long as its within the rules, it's OK.

I really do not want to know what your *counselor* job means.

I really enjoy watching you Libs get your panties in a bunch. Do you know "the rules?"

Reality exists in the mind of the beholder. Some people are crazy and some are sane. Some are evil and some are good. How do you tell the difference?

If a person starts acting and talking crazy I assume they are crazy. If someone threatens me I assume they are evil. As a professional with training, I can hang in there much longer than most people.

So, judge all you want from the outside looking in. Because, in the end that is where you are, namely, on the outside guessing about the inside.

I am no Lib in the American kind of view, inform yourself and you will see there are worlds between *us Libs and your Libs*. But, I doubt you will do.

Your post shows how much you are stuck in your conviction, just like many old people are: Unable to adjust to changing times. Lost in memories.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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I will add this. So far MORE of what Z has said seems to be baring out.

Yes, that is what happens when there is only one side of the story because the other party is dead.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[ianmdrennan 2]

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I am not on trial here.

When you make a statement that killing "evil" is ok, you are.

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If you don't have an intuitive understanding of evil, my suggestion to you is, be very very careful when you are out in public. You might get killed

That sounds like a veiled threat to me. I hope I read that incorrectly.

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That being said, it is like pornography, I know it when I see it.

Arguably one of the worst analogies you could pick - since a pornography is subjective (much like your definition of evil I suspect). Therein lies the problem with your broad statement: What YOU consider evil isn't necessarily actually evil to others, just to you.

Some areas are clearly black and white, while most are much more gray.

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If someone threatens me I assume they are evil

So you agree with TM then if he thought Z was threatening him then via confrontation?

Performance Designs Factory Team

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I will add this. So far MORE of what Z has said seems to be baring out.

Yes, that is what happens when there is only one side of the story because the other party is dead.

Quite the opposite. Almost everyone who has been convicted of murder has been convicted without the "other party" telling his side of the story. The prosecutors had to build their cases based on evidence and witnesses ...just like this case (well, in principle).

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nor did TM know he had a gun (until he got shot).

We really don't know if he knew GM had a gun or not. Unfortunately he is not here to give us his side of the story.

I tend not to make things up to support a conclusion. So it would seem to me the best thing to assume would be that TM did not know GZ had a gun until shown otherwise.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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>Red herring, speculation

As is yours. No one knows what really happened.

We know TM was on top of GZ pounding his skull into the concrete. That's not a red herring, nor is it speculation.

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>But, to answer a purely hypothetical question, if a guy you know has a
>record and a gun is ONLY looking at you, you still don't have the right to
>punch him in the face, jump on top of him, and start cracking his skull.

And if he threatens to kill you? Do you have to wait until he draws and fires before you can take action?

Until it can be shown that GZ threatened to kill TM, it's purely speculation. You might as well start tossing every "what-if" scenario you can dream up if we're just going to open those doors. It doesn't add anything to this specific case.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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You stop breathing for a few minutes, and everyone jumps to conclusions.

Everytime I read your sigline, I'm asking myself: WHAT ARE FEW MINUTES, HOW MANY minutes will *you* be able to stop breathing?

Shouldn't *everyone* jump to help you? .... instead of jumping to conclusions?

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[RonD1120 58]

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I am no Lib in the American kind of view, inform yourself and you will see there are worlds between *us Libs and your Libs*. But, I doubt you will do.

Your post shows how much you are stuck in your conviction, just like many old people are: Unable to adjust to changing times. Lost in memories.

Well, you are correct in that I don't much concern myself with the views of others outside the U.S.

However, am I understanding you correctly in that because I am old I should allow myself to become vulnerable to evil willingly? Is that what you young folks do? Do you embrace evil? When the terrorists blew up your nightclub, did you send thank you notes?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 58]

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I am not on trial here.

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When you make a statement that killing "evil" is ok, you are.

Really, do tell.

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If you don't have an intuitive understanding of evil, my suggestion to you is, be very very careful when you are out in public. You might get killed

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That sounds like a veiled threat to me. I hope I read that incorrectly.

No threat from me, however, if you are naive regarding evil then you are in danger from those who are. You will never see it coming. By the same token, if you unwittingly behave in a manner others consider evil you may suffer unnecessary retribution.

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That being said, it is like pornography, I know it when I see it.

Arguably one of the worst analogies you could pick - since a pornography is subjective (much like your definition of evil I suspect). Therein lies the problem with your broad statement: What YOU consider evil isn't necessarily actually evil to others, just to you.

Some areas are clearly black and white, while most are much more gray.

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If someone threatens me I assume they are evil

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So you agree with TM then if he thought Z was threatening him then via confrontation?

No, I don't agree with TM since I have no idea what TM thought. All we have been told is that GZ thought he was threatened. And, the medical report just released indicates that he was threatened.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.