billvon 2,396 #26 March 2, 2012 >But how can they afford this expensive school and not afford birth control? I went to the most expensive school in the country (at the time) and ate Ramen Noodles a lot. I worked three jobs to be able to pay tuition, and there wasn't anything left over for luxuries like food. Many college students are in the same boat. >Or she can keep her knees together or have the male wear a condum "These denials of contraceptive coverage impact real people. In the worst cases, women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer dire consequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries." Maybe she could just hold an aspirin between her ovaries and her cysts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #27 March 2, 2012 Read the last line of post 23"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #28 March 2, 2012 You know, throughout my 20's, I rarely had anything other than hospitalization insurance, and I wasn't making a whole lot of money. When I was using birth control pills, I believe it was costing about $30 a month, plus $100 or so to go to the doctor about once a year. (Fortunately, he usually gave me several months' worth of samples, so that offset the cost a little bit.) It seemed expensive, and I recall thinking this stuff (and other medical expenses) would be easier if I got a better job with good benefits. But I don't recall ever wondering why someone else wasn't supplying this stuff for me. It just didn't occur to me to think of it as something I was entitled to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #29 March 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't think it's the cost of BC that pisses off the right; it's the fact that these sluts are having sex for pleasure and not for replenishing the shrinking Christian population. At least Rush thinks their sluts. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/02/sandra-fluke-rush-limbaugh_n_1316304.html You obviously misunderstood... Rush didn't mean it in a bad way. I mean, sluts are people too? And what chance does an old decrepit ex-addict has to score, other than with sluts or whores? Really, he meant it as a compliment. No, by her own admission she is one I feel bad for any woman in your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #30 March 2, 2012 QuoteAnd she says she cant afford birth control becuase she is having so much sex? Where did she say how much sex she is having? Most prescription birth control is going to cost the same whether you're having sex once a month or twenty times a day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #31 March 3, 2012 QuoteI don't think it's the cost of BC that pisses off the right No. What pisses off people like me is that the government is getting involved in procreation and stemming it not by providing it themselves but ordering others to pay for it. So women don't have the money for birth control? Well, then, let's just ensure that everybody pays for it, then. I feel bad for gay men that are now put in a position of paying for birth control for others. I don't like paying for sex. And I like it even less paying for someone else to have sex. (Note: where do AIDS activists stand on this issue of unsafe sex?) My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 0 #32 March 3, 2012 QuoteQuoteI don't think it's the cost of BC that pisses off the right No. What pisses off people like me is that the government is getting involved in procreation and stemming it not by providing it themselves but ordering others to pay for it. So women don't have the money for birth control? Well, then, let's just ensure that everybody pays for it, then. I feel bad for gay men that are now put in a position of paying for birth control for others. I don't like paying for sex. And I like it even less paying for someone else to have sex. (Note: where do AIDS activists stand on this issue of unsafe sex?) pretty much like the UNIVERSAL FEE on our phones bills so that others that can't afford a phone can be SOMEWHAT like us....! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #33 March 4, 2012 Ron Paul says Limbaugh's apology was not sincere, just done for personal gain: www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57390236/paul-limbaugh-apologized-for-personal-gain/... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeanJeanie 0 #34 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuote I don't like paying for sex. And I like it even less paying for someone else to have sex. (Note: where do AIDS activists stand on this issue of unsafe sex?) And I don't like paying for old men to be able to achieve and maintain erections. Nobody is yelling about Viagra.~~We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly~~MLK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Stumpy 256 #35 March 5, 2012 Quote Ron Paul says Limbaugh's apology was not sincere, just done for personal gain: www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57390236/paul-limbaugh-apologized-for-personal-gain/ I think that's a fairly safe bet. Seriously, who actually supports this guy? Apart from most of the republican front runners who appear to be just as bigoted, chauvinist and racist?Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #36 March 5, 2012 Why do you think Obama called this college student when he didn't call Laura Ingraham when Ed Schultz called her a slut on the air? How come you and your lefty bretheren didn't have this same outrage for Laura? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,120 #37 March 5, 2012 a. it's a strong word regardless b. Schultz called a public figure an unacceptable name, but in a non-sexual context (he was referring to her affinity for the right wing, not her sexual habits -- and there was no request to post pictures, thank goodness). c. Schultz was disciplined by the network d. Obama was the target of the criticism by Ingraham that caused the remark by Schultz; I'm sure that had he called her, it would have been the topic of her next show e. they're all fucking radio commentators , and part of the whole reason people aren't talking to each other, saying "talk to the republican/democratic hand" instead. Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #38 March 5, 2012 d. As opposed to it being the topic of Every MSM show as well as every news platform yesterday and today. Got it. I would suggest Obama called this student for purely political reasons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,120 #39 March 5, 2012 I'll agree completely that it was largely for political reasons, but she's not at the level of public figure that Ingraham is. And it's easier to call and comfort someone who was supporting you when they were insulted, than it is to call and comfort someone who was insulting you. Being human and all that (as well as being a politician) Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #40 March 5, 2012 We won't even get into what's been said about Sarah Palin and other female politicians by left-wing commentators. Most lefties at least on this site agreed with these slanders but now get all indignant about this. Really, the hypocracy is dripping into a puddle on the floor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #41 March 5, 2012 It's a pretty well-known thing that if a lefty insults a righty that the lefties will cheer because the righty deserved it. Meanwhile, if a righty insults a lefty, the lefties will be outraged. Go vice versa on this and it applies. We see it everywhere that standards don't mean a damned thing. Not a damned thing. Limbaugh was being a dick (what's new there?) and got called out on it. Plenty of righties thought he went too far. Of course, what Limbaugh did is classic politics. Turn the legitimate argument about federal commands and forget about that. Call the gal a whore. (Of course, this caused indignation among the right in California when word came out that Jerry Brown's campaign was going to do just that against his 2008 opponent, a female). What's wrong is wrong. Unless it's politics, when wrong is wrong if they do it but wrong is right if we do it. Because in all cases the ends justify the means. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,120 #42 March 5, 2012 That one goes both ways; vocal righties think that whatever they say is OK as long as it's about a lefty, and vice versa. Polite people think neither, and they also remember that what's said in private is private, and public is public. I believe they exist on both sides. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #43 March 5, 2012 Indeed. It's why I put go vice versa. We are in agreement on this. I just get disgusted too easily at those who don't look at the conduct as being wrong but rather who is doing it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,623 #44 March 5, 2012 QuoteWe won't even get into what's been said about Sarah Palin and other female politicians by left-wing commentators. Most lefties at least on this site agreed with these slanders but now get all indignant about this. Really, the hypocracy is dripping into a puddle on the floor. Or what has been said about Obama and Pelosi by the right wingers. However, Palin, Pelosi and Obama put themselves up there for comment, and have their own pulpits for response. Limbaugh's attack on a student was in a different class altogether - LOW CLASS.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #45 March 5, 2012 QuoteLimbaugh's attack on a student was in a different class altogether - LOW CLASS. How about the self-amused attacks on "tea baggers?" Why self-amused? Because they all know what tea-bagging is. A fella from Alabama was videotaped doing it a couple of months ago. It's funny to say, "They are tea baggers" because the image of tea bagging is just so entertaining. Because when coming up with a name, calling people a term for a type of sexual assault is certainly a fun thing to do. So take the LOW CLASS argument and apply it all over. Look at Wendy - she doesn't defend what what said about Palin with what was said about Obama. She says it's all low class. I agree with her. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,396 #46 March 5, 2012 >Because when coming up with a name, calling people a term for a type of sexual >assault is certainly a fun thing to do. Well, to be fair, had this woman called herself a whore before Limbaugh called her one. then he would have gotten a lot less shit than he did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #47 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteWe won't even get into what's been said about Sarah Palin and other female politicians by left-wing commentators. Most lefties at least on this site agreed with these slanders but now get all indignant about this. Really, the hypocracy is dripping into a puddle on the floor. Or what has been said about Obama and Pelosi by the right wingers. However, Palin, Pelosi and Obama put themselves up there for comment, and have their own pulpits for response. Limbaugh's attack on a student was in a different class altogether - LOW CLASS. I don't disagree that the words Limbaugh used were uncalled for. However to claim that it's OK to attack someone using vile language because they have the pulpit to respond is low class, too. To title a thread like this one in light of the attacks on Bachmann, Palin, Ingraham, O'Donnell etc. is the height of hypocrisy. I can understand why you feel the need to defend it considering you are one of the most guilty parties on this website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #48 March 5, 2012 Quote It's funny to say, "They are tea baggers" because the image of tea bagging is just so entertaining. Because when coming up with a name, calling people a term for a type of sexual assault is certainly a fun thing to do. Such a shame... "teabagging" started out as a fun thing to do in a John Waters film, and now it has become "sexual assault"??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites muff528 3 #49 March 5, 2012 QuoteI'll agree completely that it was largely for political reasons, but she's not at the level of public figure that Ingraham is. And it's easier to call and comfort someone who was supporting you when they were insulted, than it is to call and comfort someone who was insulting you. Being human and all that (as well as being a politician) Wendy P. There is likely more to Ms. Fluke than Miss-Innocent-Private-Citizen-Being-Bullied-By-Powerful-Sexist. It seems she is a long-time, outspoken political activist who has publicly inserted herself into the discourse before. Nothing wrong with that, but it does cause her motives to be questioned. I seriously doubt that she was personally concerned with her difficulty making ends meet because of the great cost of contraceptives. Don't know anything about the Examiner. ...just the first one to pop up after a search. I've seen other articles about her prior activism. http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/is-sandra-fluke-a-fake-victim-used-by-democrats-to-push-free-birth-control. It's my belief that her "victimization" was planned and intentional and I agree with the article that she was a card that was played at a predetermined moment. Limbaugh was just unfortunate enough to have taken the bait. The article also raises the question of why she chose to attend a private Catholic school that would have been ideologically at odds with her views? ...unless (considering her leftist, activist history) her intent was to stir up shit? I don't believe that the inclusion of contraception in a health insurance plan at this school was really at the core of her motivations here. It was really just way to get "foot in the door" for the political take-down of the idea that a private organization can decide what they will or will not provide as determined by their beliefs. (...in much the same way that Daley's "concern" that a bunch of old ladies in Palm Beach County may have voted for the wrong candidate in 2000 was just a catalyst that opened the door for the attempted theft of an election.) 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Stumpy 256 #35 March 5, 2012 Quote Ron Paul says Limbaugh's apology was not sincere, just done for personal gain: www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57390236/paul-limbaugh-apologized-for-personal-gain/ I think that's a fairly safe bet. Seriously, who actually supports this guy? Apart from most of the republican front runners who appear to be just as bigoted, chauvinist and racist?Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #36 March 5, 2012 Why do you think Obama called this college student when he didn't call Laura Ingraham when Ed Schultz called her a slut on the air? How come you and your lefty bretheren didn't have this same outrage for Laura? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #37 March 5, 2012 a. it's a strong word regardless b. Schultz called a public figure an unacceptable name, but in a non-sexual context (he was referring to her affinity for the right wing, not her sexual habits -- and there was no request to post pictures, thank goodness). c. Schultz was disciplined by the network d. Obama was the target of the criticism by Ingraham that caused the remark by Schultz; I'm sure that had he called her, it would have been the topic of her next show e. they're all fucking radio commentators , and part of the whole reason people aren't talking to each other, saying "talk to the republican/democratic hand" instead. Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #38 March 5, 2012 d. As opposed to it being the topic of Every MSM show as well as every news platform yesterday and today. Got it. I would suggest Obama called this student for purely political reasons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #39 March 5, 2012 I'll agree completely that it was largely for political reasons, but she's not at the level of public figure that Ingraham is. And it's easier to call and comfort someone who was supporting you when they were insulted, than it is to call and comfort someone who was insulting you. Being human and all that (as well as being a politician) Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #40 March 5, 2012 We won't even get into what's been said about Sarah Palin and other female politicians by left-wing commentators. Most lefties at least on this site agreed with these slanders but now get all indignant about this. Really, the hypocracy is dripping into a puddle on the floor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #41 March 5, 2012 It's a pretty well-known thing that if a lefty insults a righty that the lefties will cheer because the righty deserved it. Meanwhile, if a righty insults a lefty, the lefties will be outraged. Go vice versa on this and it applies. We see it everywhere that standards don't mean a damned thing. Not a damned thing. Limbaugh was being a dick (what's new there?) and got called out on it. Plenty of righties thought he went too far. Of course, what Limbaugh did is classic politics. Turn the legitimate argument about federal commands and forget about that. Call the gal a whore. (Of course, this caused indignation among the right in California when word came out that Jerry Brown's campaign was going to do just that against his 2008 opponent, a female). What's wrong is wrong. Unless it's politics, when wrong is wrong if they do it but wrong is right if we do it. Because in all cases the ends justify the means. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #42 March 5, 2012 That one goes both ways; vocal righties think that whatever they say is OK as long as it's about a lefty, and vice versa. Polite people think neither, and they also remember that what's said in private is private, and public is public. I believe they exist on both sides. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #43 March 5, 2012 Indeed. It's why I put go vice versa. We are in agreement on this. I just get disgusted too easily at those who don't look at the conduct as being wrong but rather who is doing it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #44 March 5, 2012 QuoteWe won't even get into what's been said about Sarah Palin and other female politicians by left-wing commentators. Most lefties at least on this site agreed with these slanders but now get all indignant about this. Really, the hypocracy is dripping into a puddle on the floor. Or what has been said about Obama and Pelosi by the right wingers. However, Palin, Pelosi and Obama put themselves up there for comment, and have their own pulpits for response. Limbaugh's attack on a student was in a different class altogether - LOW CLASS.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #45 March 5, 2012 QuoteLimbaugh's attack on a student was in a different class altogether - LOW CLASS. How about the self-amused attacks on "tea baggers?" Why self-amused? Because they all know what tea-bagging is. A fella from Alabama was videotaped doing it a couple of months ago. It's funny to say, "They are tea baggers" because the image of tea bagging is just so entertaining. Because when coming up with a name, calling people a term for a type of sexual assault is certainly a fun thing to do. So take the LOW CLASS argument and apply it all over. Look at Wendy - she doesn't defend what what said about Palin with what was said about Obama. She says it's all low class. I agree with her. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #46 March 5, 2012 >Because when coming up with a name, calling people a term for a type of sexual >assault is certainly a fun thing to do. Well, to be fair, had this woman called herself a whore before Limbaugh called her one. then he would have gotten a lot less shit than he did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #47 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteWe won't even get into what's been said about Sarah Palin and other female politicians by left-wing commentators. Most lefties at least on this site agreed with these slanders but now get all indignant about this. Really, the hypocracy is dripping into a puddle on the floor. Or what has been said about Obama and Pelosi by the right wingers. However, Palin, Pelosi and Obama put themselves up there for comment, and have their own pulpits for response. Limbaugh's attack on a student was in a different class altogether - LOW CLASS. I don't disagree that the words Limbaugh used were uncalled for. However to claim that it's OK to attack someone using vile language because they have the pulpit to respond is low class, too. To title a thread like this one in light of the attacks on Bachmann, Palin, Ingraham, O'Donnell etc. is the height of hypocrisy. I can understand why you feel the need to defend it considering you are one of the most guilty parties on this website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #48 March 5, 2012 Quote It's funny to say, "They are tea baggers" because the image of tea bagging is just so entertaining. Because when coming up with a name, calling people a term for a type of sexual assault is certainly a fun thing to do. Such a shame... "teabagging" started out as a fun thing to do in a John Waters film, and now it has become "sexual assault"??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #49 March 5, 2012 QuoteI'll agree completely that it was largely for political reasons, but she's not at the level of public figure that Ingraham is. And it's easier to call and comfort someone who was supporting you when they were insulted, than it is to call and comfort someone who was insulting you. Being human and all that (as well as being a politician) Wendy P. There is likely more to Ms. Fluke than Miss-Innocent-Private-Citizen-Being-Bullied-By-Powerful-Sexist. It seems she is a long-time, outspoken political activist who has publicly inserted herself into the discourse before. Nothing wrong with that, but it does cause her motives to be questioned. I seriously doubt that she was personally concerned with her difficulty making ends meet because of the great cost of contraceptives. Don't know anything about the Examiner. ...just the first one to pop up after a search. I've seen other articles about her prior activism. http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/is-sandra-fluke-a-fake-victim-used-by-democrats-to-push-free-birth-control. It's my belief that her "victimization" was planned and intentional and I agree with the article that she was a card that was played at a predetermined moment. Limbaugh was just unfortunate enough to have taken the bait. The article also raises the question of why she chose to attend a private Catholic school that would have been ideologically at odds with her views? ...unless (considering her leftist, activist history) her intent was to stir up shit? I don't believe that the inclusion of contraception in a health insurance plan at this school was really at the core of her motivations here. It was really just way to get "foot in the door" for the political take-down of the idea that a private organization can decide what they will or will not provide as determined by their beliefs. (...in much the same way that Daley's "concern" that a bunch of old ladies in Palm Beach County may have voted for the wrong candidate in 2000 was just a catalyst that opened the door for the attempted theft of an election.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #50 March 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhy do you think Obama called this college student when he didn't call Laura Ingraham when Ed Schultz called her a slut on the air? How come you and your lefty bretheren didn't have this same outrage for Laura? It appears the free market is taking it's course. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rush-limbaugh-loses-7th-advertiser-sandra-fluke-slut-flap-article-1.1033208 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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