Super PACs

[kallend 1,618]

www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57358732-503544/stephen-colbert-isnt-really-running-for-president/

Just wonder what people think about them now that we've had a chance to see them in action.

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Am I wrong in thinking this is not knew, just a rehash of the old stuff?

I can't remember Carter running and only a little of Reagan, but didn't they have PAC"s and Super PAC's then too?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Am I wrong in thinking this is not knew, just a rehash of the old stuff?

I can't remember Carter running and only a little of Reagan, but didn't they have PAC"s and Super PAC's then too?

Matt

A 2010 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that granted corporations and labor unions the freedom to spend unlimited amounts of money on campaign ads has opened the door to so-called super-PACs, political action committees that can raise as much money as they want as long as they don't directly coordinate their attack ads with the campaign they're supporting.

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Am I wrong in thinking this is not knew, just a rehash of the old stuff?

I can't remember Carter running and only a little of Reagan, but didn't they have PAC"s and Super PAC's then too?

Matt

A 2010 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that granted corporations and labor unions the freedom to spend unlimited amounts of money on campaign ads has opened the door to so-called super-PACs, political action committees that can raise as much money as they want as long as they don't directly coordinate their attack ads with the campaign they're supporting.

They've got a LONG way to go to catch up with big labor.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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That ruling just made it "legal", they happened to be around before then.

That whole legal run was all out of the Kerry/Bush Election Cycle wasn't it?

I am not saying I like them, just looking at the history of them.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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A 2010 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that granted corporations and labor unions the freedom to spend unlimited amounts of money on campaign ads has opened the door to so-called super-PACs, political action committees that can raise as much money as they want as long as they don't directly coordinate their attack ads with the campaign they're supporting.

"corporations and labor unions"

Huh. Equality. Nice. The Lefties have just as much access as the Corps (which aren't exclusively Right-Wing anyhow...).

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Am I wrong in thinking this is not knew, just a rehash of the old stuff?

I can't remember Carter running and only a little of Reagan, but didn't they have PAC"s and Super PAC's then too?

There is no longer any need to be subtle about it. Jon Huntmans's superpac is run by his father, which is probably the worst example. I think the worst aspect of these newer superpacs is that donations to them don't need to be disclosed (or at least not very well) but they can then contribute directly to the campaign. Basically an end around to the reporting regulations.

And that's to the "guaranteed non coordination," candidates can run hit pieces while claiming to be innocent. Fortunately (hopefully?) voters see through this transparency, but perhaps not. Maybe we'd be better off forcing it back under the candidates name and control?

In the greater picture, I don't worry about the sums. I agree with the SC decision, and back further to Buckley v Valeo. $$ = speech. The answer to bad speech is more speech. Meg Whitman, Ross Perot, Carly Fiorina, and Michael Huffington are examples of people who spent large fortunes trying to buy themselves an office and it didn't work out for them. Great for those who work in the election economy.

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A 2010 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that granted corporations and labor unions the freedom to spend unlimited amounts of money on campaign ads has opened the door to so-called super-PACs, political action committees that can raise as much money as they want as long as they don't directly coordinate their attack ads with the campaign they're supporting.

"corporations and labor unions"

Huh. Equality. Nice. The Lefties have just as much access as the Corps (which aren't exclusively Right-Wing anyhow...).

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

So now that we see how it's working out in practice, what do people think about them?

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Yup, because 11% of workers in America are in a big labor union.

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A 2010 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that granted corporations and labor unions the freedom to spend unlimited amounts of money on campaign ads has opened the door to so-called super-PACs, political action committees that can raise as much money as they want as long as they don't directly coordinate their attack ads with the campaign they're supporting.

"corporations and labor unions"

Huh. Equality. Nice. The Lefties have just as much access as the Corps (which aren't exclusively Right-Wing anyhow...).

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Go to Hell, Major Irritant.

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As a matter of interest, since you immigrated to the US in 1967 or about, have you become a US citizen, yet?
If so, would you compare or contrast ( your choice) the US system to the ponderous system in the UK. And, possibly, why you turned your back on the UK.

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As a matter of interest, since you immigrated to the US in 1967 or about, have you become a US citizen, yet?
If so, would you compare or contrast ( your choice) the US system to the ponderous system in the UK. And, possibly, why you turned your back on the UK.

Very classy. Hey, while you're at it, don't forget to ask Kallend about his son who served a deployment in harm's way in Iraq with the U.S. Army Airborne, or the amount of US income taxes he's paid since he came here, or the number of American engineers he has educated during his career.

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While you're at it, don't forget to ask Kallend about his son who served a deployment in harm's way in Iraq with the U.S. Army Airborne, or the amount of US income taxes he's paid since he came here, or the number of American engineers he has educated during his career.

You don't get credit for one's offspring's choices. It's not like he sold his kid to the Army. It wasn't Daddy's choice.

And he was well-compensated for his Teaching, so it's not like he was some hero in the Peace Corps...

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While you're at it, don't forget to ask Kallend about his son who served a deployment in harm's way in Iraq with the U.S. Army Airborne, or the amount of US income taxes he's paid since he came here, or the number of American engineers he has educated during his career.

Divulging such details of another is, in your words, not a good idea. Remember your own posts about personal info posted on websites?

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While you're at it, don't forget to ask Kallend about his son who served a deployment in harm's way in Iraq with the U.S. Army Airborne, or the amount of US income taxes he's paid since he came here, or the number of American engineers he has educated during his career.

You don't get credit for one's offspring's choices. It's not like he sold his kid to the Army. It wasn't Daddy's choice.

That's your reply?
QED.

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While you're at it, don't forget to ask Kallend about his son who served a deployment in harm's way in Iraq with the U.S. Army Airborne, or the amount of US income taxes he's paid since he came here, or the number of American engineers he has educated during his career.

Divulging such details of another is, in your words, not a good idea. Remember your own posts about personal info posted on websites?

And that's your reply?
QED.

Oh, by the way, I didn't "divulge" it; he's proudly discussed it on here.

Playing the player, and not the ball, is not the way to carry the day in a debate. You tried that against me, too, earlier today, and that didn't get you very far, either.

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While you're at it, don't forget to ask Kallend about his son who served a deployment in harm's way in Iraq with the U.S. Army Airborne, or the amount of US income taxes he's paid since he came here, or the number of American engineers he has educated during his career.

Divulging such details of another is, in your words, not a good idea. Remember your own posts about personal info posted on websites?

And that's your reply?
QED.

Oh, by the way, I didn't "divulge" it; he's proudly discussed it on here.

Then you represent Dr. Kallend? If not, then your issue is with me. Why not PM and we can use four letter words and all the fun stuff that accompanies.

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No, thanks; you can either do your dick-swinging out in the open, where you have to abide by the same Forum rules that you tried and failed to use against me, or you can do it in the privacy of your own home. I'm just not interested.

Or in the alternative, when involved in a policy debate, you can try actually debating policy, instead of trying to convince the world that another poster is a goat-fucker* just because you dislike their politics.




(*No actual goats were harmed in producing this message.)

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No, thanks; you can either do your dick-swinging out in the open, where you have to abide by the same Forum rules that you tried and failed to use against me, or you can do it in the privacy of your own home. I'm just not interested.

That's your reply..? QED.
The thread is about Superpacs, US politics. No Mod has written to me about any rules infraction.
If you have issues with Mods, and how they run this site, that is your deal. PM a Mod. Getting up on your hind legs barking at me is unproductive.
As to Dr. Kallend paying taxes, OK. He lives in the US. Why not? As far as educating... Is he compensated for that service? What his family does, or does not do is about as off topic as one can get.
Since you don't rep. Dr. Kallend, be a big boy and let the Dr. speak for himself. C-ya.........

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What his family does, or does not do is about as off topic as one can get

As was challenging his citizenship and using the loaded phrase about him turning his back on his home country. That's just bush league. You're a bright guy, and you have interesting ideas. Bring your game up.

[wmw999 2,114]

Here is another logical consequence of "Citizens United."

Last month there was a rumor that Sheldon Adelson, a Las Vegas rich dude, was going to give Newt $20 million. He denied that; it was only $5 million.

How close is that to trying to buy an election? How about if he were to try to influence a local election, where the budgets are so much smaller?

Personally, I'm uncomfortable with this. The fact that big labor "suggests" that union members donate to selected candidates also makes me uncomfortable, but my mother taught me that two wrongs don't make a right.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Not so........ It is topical to know if the Dr. has any knowledge of what he's talking about, is it not? What do I gain by beating up on a helpless debater?
Again, why are you persisting in this effort to speak for the Dr.?

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Not so........ It is topical to know if the Dr. has any knowledge of what he's talking about, is it not?

Now you're just insulting everyone's intelligence.

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Here is another logical consequence of "Citizens United."

Last month there was a rumor that Sheldon Adelson, a Las Vegas rich dude, was going to give Newt $20 million. He denied that; it was only $5 million.

How close is that to trying to buy an election? How about if he were to try to influence a local election, where the budgets are so much smaller?

Personally, I'm uncomfortable with this. The fact that big labor "suggests" that union members donate to selected candidates also makes me uncomfortable, but my mother taught me that two wrongs don't make a right.

Wendy P.

I too am uncomfortable with that aspect. It tends to lend corruption, vote buying and influence peddling a cleaner, more palatable image.

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Not so........ It is topical to know if the Dr. has any knowledge of what he's talking about, is it not?

Now you're just insulting everyone's intelligence.

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Not so........ It is topical to know if the Dr. has any knowledge of what he's talking about, is it not? What do I gain by beating up on a helpless debater?
Again, why are you persisting in this effort to speak for the Dr.?

From what I have read of your prior posts, this discussion is not like you to be so emotional. I may have to follow the advice of others who are now engaged in posting on this thread as we e-speak, to ignore you before you get yourself in trouble with the Mods for being off topic and so on. Chin up, counselor.