DanG 1 #51 January 4, 2012 QuoteRight, blame the reader when the issue is your admitted inability to communicate properly is the real issue. More left-wing self victimization. Who would have expected anything less. You are in desperate need of a blow job. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #52 January 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteRight, blame the reader when the issue is your admitted inability to communicate properly is the real issue. More left-wing self victimization. Who would have expected anything less. You are in desperate need of a blow job. Thanks for the offer but I'm not into guys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #53 January 4, 2012 QuoteRight, blame the reader when the issue is your admitted inability to communicate properly is the real issue. What part of "humour is hard to pull off in a foreign language" don't you understand, I start with blaming my own short-comings as far as the English language is concerned. And your lack of humour is rather obvious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #54 January 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteRight, blame the reader when the issue is your admitted inability to communicate properly is the real issue. What part of "humour is hard to pull off in a foreign language" don't you understand, I start with blaming my own short-comings as far as the English language is concerned. And your lack of humour is rather obvious. I do understand it's difficult to communicate in another language and I noted that. My only issue was that after you made that statement, you went on to blame me and my sense of humor for not understanding. So you are wrong on both counts. Care to try again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,395 #55 January 4, 2012 Both of you cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #56 January 4, 2012 Ok, I misread your post, my bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #57 January 4, 2012 Sorry, I'm not getting banned over this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #58 January 4, 2012 Let me ask the question in a more straight forward way: Why do folks who believe in man made global warming site as proof, things like "It has been the (Hottest, coldest, driest, wettest, etc etc.) SINCE ____fill in your date. To me that means that it was colder, warmer, drier, and wetter in the past. Hardly a logical way to present a case for AGW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #59 January 4, 2012 How convenient... but you might have a point Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #60 January 4, 2012 While I am at it, what is the deal with "MOST BILLION DOLLAR STORMS IN HISTORY"? They don't account for inflation or shifts in the population. Really folks is this what passes for science or even rational thought? http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-worst-nyt-story-on-climate-ever.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skiskyrock 0 #61 January 4, 2012 QuoteLet me ask the question in a more straight forward way: Why do folks who believe in man made global warming site as proof, things like "It has been the (Hottest, coldest, driest, wettest, etc etc.) SINCE ____fill in your date. To me that means that it was colder, warmer, drier, and wetter in the past. Hardly a logical way to present a case for AGW. Imagine you have two dice. You roll them and record the sum of the rolls. Every once in a while you roll a 12. after each roll I take the dice from you and hold them below the table for a while, then give them back to you. After a while you roll a 12. Looking back at you record you see that recently you have rolled only 8's, 9's 10's and 11's for the last 20 rolls. Would the fact that you have rolled a 12 in the past make you confident that I haven't changed the dice on you? Based on the global temperature data from the National Climate Date Center, 17 of the hottest twenty years on record have occured within the last 20 years (1991-2010). All of them have occured within the last 30 years. If you go back to the paleoclimate record, there are warmer times in the Earth's past, but other forces were operating on the climate then. As far as we can tell, those forces do not explain the current warming. CO2 produces warming of the atmosphere through well understood, basic physics. If you think that CO2 isn't the cause of the current warming, you have to come up with two unknown factors in climate: one that cancels out the CO2 based warming, and another that is responsible for the current warming trend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #62 January 4, 2012 Quote I wonder what percentage of climate change deniers beleive (believe) in an 8000 year old earth ? It is also 4.5B years old. But if it is 4.5B, it is also 8,000 But there is more than: 1. Alarmists 2. Deniers There are also: 1. Those that think global warming is real, but not influenced by man 2. Those that think it is real and influenced by man but not willing to destroy society to live in grass huts and cook by fire. Until the second set of groups is acknowledged, then any discussion is pointless. I do appreciate the irony of skydivers who use fossil fuels for pure recreation being alarmists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #63 January 4, 2012 QuoteLast year, proof was in the record snowcover that included every state except Florida. Hence my problem of attribution. It did actually snow in N Florida in 2010. (8 times to be exact). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,395 #64 January 4, 2012 >Why do folks who believe in man made global warming site as proof, things like "It has >been the (Hottest, coldest, driest, wettest, etc etc.) SINCE ____fill in your date. The data that demonstrates that it has been getting warmer are the AVERAGE worldwide temperatures. There is really no disagreement (outside denier circles) that average worldwide temperatures are increasing, and have been (on average) since 1850. The second bit of important data is that CO2 levels are increasing and have been since 1850. This is easy to verify in a lab. No one but the most desperate and ignorant deniers deny this; it can be done with a basic chemistry set and we have good instrumental data going back to 1958 and proxy records that match them going back about 800,000 years. The third bit is that increased CO2 levels result in more heat retention by our atmosphere. Again provable in the lab and demonstrated by atmospheric temperature data. That's where the proof comes from. "It's really hot today" is no more proof of global warming than "it's really cold today" is a valid rebuttal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #65 January 4, 2012 QuoteBased on the global temperature data from the National Climate Date Center, 17 of the hottest twenty years on record have occured within the last 20 years (1991-2010). All of them have occured within the last 30 years. That would be significant, *IF* the data hadn't been 'adjusted' over and over and over again. QuoteIf you go back to the paleoclimate record, there are warmer times in the Earth's past, but other forces were operating on the climate then. Like what? QuoteCO2 produces warming of the atmosphere through well understood, basic physics. CO2 was in the *thousands* during the historical record. QuoteIf you think that CO2 isn't the cause of the current warming, you have to come up with two unknown factors in climate: one that cancels out the CO2 based warming, and another that is responsible for the current warming trend. If you think that CO2 *IS* the cause of the current warming, you have to show WHY we didn't have that 'tipping point runaway' during the historical record.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #66 January 4, 2012 So whats wrong with the accord? Its surely better than a prius. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #67 January 4, 2012 Quote>Why do folks who believe in man made global warming site as proof, things like "It has >been the (Hottest, coldest, driest, wettest, etc etc.) SINCE ____fill in your date. The data that demonstrates that it has been getting warmer are the AVERAGE worldwide temperatures. There is really no disagreement (outside denier circles) that average worldwide temperatures are increasing, and have been (on average) since 1850. That seems a logical result from coming out of a *Little Ice Age*, yes. QuoteThe second bit of important data is that CO2 levels are increasing and have been since 1850. This is easy to verify in a lab. No one but the most desperate and ignorant deniers deny this; Nobody has claimed CO2 hasn't risen - this sounds like a desperate and ignorant warmist tactic to demonize skeptics. Quoteit can be done with a basic chemistry set and we have good instrumental data going back to 1958 and proxy records that match them going back about 800,000 years. And it STILL doesn't prove that CO2 was the cause of the increase. QuoteThe third bit is that increased CO2 levels result in more heat retention by our atmosphere. Again provable in the lab and demonstrated by atmospheric temperature data. Except for the last dozen or so years, evidently. QuoteThat's where the proof comes from. "It's really hot today" is no more proof of global warming than "it's really cold today" is a valid rebuttal. For certain values of "proof", evidently.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,395 #68 January 4, 2012 >So whats wrong with the accord? Its surely better than a prius. That's mighty civic of you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #69 January 4, 2012 QuoteThe focus of the campaign is on 15 Questions that evolutionists cannot satisfactorily answer. The 15 questions can be found HERE. ================== Where are the 15 questions? I'm curious to see if it is rehash of the same bunch of questions which have been answered quite exhaustively (but for which fundies don't like and/or don't understand the answers), or if there is some new ignorance floating around. Not to mention that is a miniscule number compared to the questions which can not be answered by the fundies other than with the standard "God works in mysterious ways."" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,395 #70 January 4, 2012 >Where are the 15 questions? Here they are: How could mutations create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things? Why is natural selection taught as ‘evolution’, as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life? How did new biochemical pathways originate? Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? How did multi-cellular life originate? How did sex originate? Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing? How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years, if evolution has changed worms into humans in the same time frame? How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality? Why is evolutionary ‘just-so’ story-telling tolerated? Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Why is evolution taught as if it is the same as this operational science? Why is a fundamentally religious idea taught in science classes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,120 #71 January 4, 2012 Quote>So whats wrong with the accord? Its surely better than a prius.QuoteThat's mighty civic of youYou guys think you're so smart Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatmiser 0 #72 January 4, 2012 They're not even fit to be in the same thread as you, though What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #73 January 4, 2012 QuoteQuote>So whats wrong with the accord? Its surely better than a prius.QuoteThat's mighty civic of youYou guys think you're so smart Wendy P. It's due to their Insight Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #74 January 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote>So whats wrong with the accord? Its surely better than a prius.QuoteThat's mighty civic of youYou guys think you're so smart Wendy P. It's due to their Insight C'mon, people...Focus!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #75 January 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>So whats wrong with the accord? Its surely better than a prius.QuoteThat's mighty civic of youYou guys think you're so smart Wendy P. It's due to their Insight C'mon, people...Focus!! Or you will fall over the Edge Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
