matthewcline 0 #251 January 1, 2012 This, the long version, seems to take the wind out of the sails of those who used the short version to scream "Murder". I see plenty of weapons in their hands, plus shaving been there and seeing that the enemy hid in civilian groups and wore civilian clothing understand the battle field. It sucks that the reporters got killed, but I do not see it as an act of "Murder" in out State side sense. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #252 January 1, 2012 Quotewho told you they didn't? You did. Post 158. And you quote: QuoteYes we do. And when it fails, as it did and has, we have people like Bradley Manning to correct it. And we have people like me that support those types of maneuvers by insiders when they see wrong happening and no one is doing anything about it._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gher 0 #253 January 1, 2012 At the end of it all, Manning broke the laws he was subject to under the UCMJ. All the warm fuzzy feelings he may have from other pussy Anarchists will be of no comfort when he spends 25+ years at Leavenworth or Florence ADMAX. And Monday Morning keyboard quarterbacks like Douchedrinker will move onto their next Cause Célèbre du Jour. And when he supports (consequence-free) others like he now does for Manning, he'll strut and fret his hour upon the stage, And shall be heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. (Apologies to Wm. Shakespeare) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #254 January 1, 2012 QuoteAt the end of it all, Manning broke the laws he was subject to under the UCMJ. All the warm fuzzy feelings he may have from other pussy Anarchists will be of no comfort when he spends 25+ years at Leavenworth or Florence ADMAX. And Monday Morning keyboard quarterbacks like Douchedrinker will move onto their next Cause Célèbre du Jour. And when he supports (consequence-free) others like he now does for Manning, he'll strut and fret his hour upon the stage, And shall be heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. (Apologies to Wm. Shakespeare) #1 Absolutely! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #255 January 2, 2012 QuoteAt the end of it all, Manning broke the laws he was subject to under the UCMJ. All the warm fuzzy feelings he may have from other pussy Anarchists will be of no comfort when he spends 25+ years at Leavenworth or Florence ADMAX. And Monday Morning keyboard quarterbacks like Douchedrinker will move onto their next Cause Célèbre du Jour. And when he supports (consequence-free) others like he now does for Manning, he'll strut and fret his hour upon the stage, And shall be heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. (Apologies to Wm. Shakespeare) I seriously doubt that those who supports Manning's actions will be honorable enough to support him throughout his life sentence. It's easy to have opinions. Opinions are cheap. Being a Man/Woman, however, is backing it up with action and taking some risks. Anything less is just noise. Fanboy crap._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #256 January 2, 2012 The one thing good that came out of this is how vulnerable and easy our web based data is to access. Manning wasn't even a "spy" and look what he was able to do! Since he was convicted of the Violating the UCMJ and in the passing of Classified Documents, what does it mean for his accomplices? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #257 January 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteAt the end of it all, Manning broke the laws he was subject to under the UCMJ. All the warm fuzzy feelings he may have from other pussy Anarchists will be of no comfort when he spends 25+ years at Leavenworth or Florence ADMAX. And Monday Morning keyboard quarterbacks like Douchedrinker will move onto their next Cause Célèbre du Jour. And when he supports (consequence-free) others like he now does for Manning, he'll strut and fret his hour upon the stage, And shall be heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. (Apologies to Wm. Shakespeare) I seriously doubt that those who supports Manning's actions will be honorable enough to support him throughout his life sentence. It's easy to have opinions. Opinions are cheap. Being a Man/Woman, however, is backing it up with action and taking some risks. Anything less is just noise. Fanboy crap. +2 "Anarchists will be of no comfort when he spends 25+ years at Leavenworth or Florence ADMAX." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #258 January 2, 2012 QuoteThe one thing good that came out of this is how vulnerable and easy our web based data is to access. Manning wasn't even a "spy" and look what he was able to do! Since he was convicted of the Violating the UCMJ and in the passing of Classified Documents, what does it mean for his accomplices? Matt He wasn't a "spy" in the definition of theater, but he was Military Intelligence. His job description involves using collected information to put together intel packages or collecting intel himself. This requirement demands some serious clearance levels and puts a wide reaching spread for "need to know" among many facets. It was easy for him because of this. Other MOS, NEC, ect. . . may not require as much need to know, but same level of clearance. For his accomplices, if they are civillian, I believe they have to show espionage to get any charges._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #259 January 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe one thing good that came out of this is how vulnerable and easy our web based data is to access. Manning wasn't even a "spy" and look what he was able to do! Since he was convicted of the Violating the UCMJ and in the passing of Classified Documents, what does it mean for his accomplices? Matt He wasn't a "spy" in the definition of theater, but he was Military Intelligence. His job description involves using collected information to put together intel packages or collecting intel himself. This requirement demands some serious clearance levels and puts a wide reaching spread for "need to know" among many facets. It was easy for him because of this. Other MOS, NEC, ect. . . may not require as much need to know, but same level of clearance. For his accomplices, if they are civillian, I believe they have to show espionage to get any charges. I'm sure there are specific, accepted legal definitions of "spy", "espionage", etc. But I would think that a spy is someone who works for say, "A", and whose job it is to gather intelligence from "B". He can do this by directly stealing documents, files, etc. himself, or by intercepting communications, etc. This guy might be considered an honorable patriot by "A". Sometimes he can convince someone who has been placed in a position of trust by "B" to commit a treasonous act and steal the info for him. This second guy is considered a traitor by "B" and might be considered an untrustworthy POS by "A", too. They already know that his sworn allegiance is for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #260 January 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe one thing good that came out of this is how vulnerable and easy our web based data is to access. Manning wasn't even a "spy" and look what he was able to do! Since he was convicted of the Violating the UCMJ and in the passing of Classified Documents, what does it mean for his accomplices? Matt He wasn't a "spy" in the definition of theater, but he was Military Intelligence. His job description involves using collected information to put together intel packages or collecting intel himself. This requirement demands some serious clearance levels and puts a wide reaching spread for "need to know" among many facets. It was easy for him because of this. Other MOS, NEC, ect. . . may not require as much need to know, but same level of clearance. For his accomplices, if they are civillian, I believe they have to show espionage to get any charges. I'm sure there are specific, accepted legal definitions of "spy", "espionage", etc. But I would think that a spy is someone who works for say, "A", and whose job it is to gather intelligence from "B". He can do this by directly stealing documents, files, etc. himself, or by intercepting communications, etc. This guy might be considered an honorable patriot by "A". Sometimes he can convince someone who has been placed in a position of trust by "B" to commit a treasonous act and steal the info for him. This second guy is considered a traitor by "B" and might be considered an untrustworthy POS by "A", too. They already know that his sworn allegiance is for sale. I don't believe espionage was an attempt here. Just an idiot whose "fight" was ill placed and intentions irresponsible and dangerous. He's definitely no John Walker, but his damage is costly diplomatically, financially and operationally._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #261 January 2, 2012 QuoteSince he was convicted of the Violating the UCMJ and in the passing of Classified Documents... He's only been charged, and had the equivalent of a preliminary hearing thus far. Trial is still in the future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #262 January 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe one thing good that came out of this is how vulnerable and easy our web based data is to access. Manning wasn't even a "spy" and look what he was able to do! Since he was convicted of the Violating the UCMJ and in the passing of Classified Documents, what does it mean for his accomplices? Matt He wasn't a "spy" in the definition of theater, but he was Military Intelligence. His job description involves using collected information to put together intel packages or collecting intel himself. This requirement demands some serious clearance levels and puts a wide reaching spread for "need to know" among many facets. It was easy for him because of this. Other MOS, NEC, ect. . . may not require as much need to know, but same level of clearance. For his accomplices, if they are civillian, I believe they have to show espionage to get any charges. I'm sure there are specific, accepted legal definitions of "spy", "espionage", etc. But I would think that a spy is someone who works for say, "A", and whose job it is to gather intelligence from "B". He can do this by directly stealing documents, files, etc. himself, or by intercepting communications, etc. This guy might be considered an honorable patriot by "A". Sometimes he can convince someone who has been placed in a position of trust by "B" to commit a treasonous act and steal the info for him. This second guy is considered a traitor by "B" and might be considered an untrustworthy POS by "A", too. They already know that his sworn allegiance is for sale. I don't believe espionage was an attempt here. Just an idiot whose "fight" was ill placed and intentions irresponsible and dangerous. He's definitely no John Walker, but his damage is costly diplomatically, financially and operationally. no damage has been shown to be done to the us - read the title of the thread. after manning they will go after assange of course...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #263 January 2, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote The one thing good that came out of this is how vulnerable and easy our web based data is to access. Manning wasn't even a "spy" and look what he was able to do! Since he was convicted of the Violating the UCMJ and in the passing of Classified Documents, what does it mean for his accomplices? Matt He wasn't a "spy" in the definition of theater, but he was Military Intelligence. His job description involves using collected information to put together intel packages or collecting intel himself. This requirement demands some serious clearance levels and puts a wide reaching spread for "need to know" among many facets. It was easy for him because of this. Other MOS, NEC, ect. . . may not require as much need to know, but same level of clearance. For his accomplices, if they are civillian, I believe they have to show espionage to get any charges. I'm sure there are specific, accepted legal definitions of "spy", "espionage", etc. But I would think that a spy is someone who works for say, "A", and whose job it is to gather intelligence from "B". He can do this by directly stealing documents, files, etc. himself, or by intercepting communications, etc. This guy might be considered an honorable patriot by "A". Sometimes he can convince someone who has been placed in a position of trust by "B" to commit a treasonous act and steal the info for him. This second guy is considered a traitor by "B" and might be considered an untrustworthy POS by "A", too. They already know that his sworn allegiance is for sale. I don't believe espionage was an attempt here. Just an idiot whose "fight" was ill placed and intentions irresponsible and dangerous. He's definitely no John Walker, but his damage is costly diplomatically, financially and operationally. no damage has been shown to be done to the us - read the title of the thread. after manning they will go after assange of course...[/reply D'ya really think they'll go after them? I've lost count of the number of times you've said that. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #264 January 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteSince he was convicted of the Violating the UCMJ and in the passing of Classified Documents... He's only been charged, and had the equivalent of a preliminary hearing thus far. Trial is still in the future. Ooops! I thought he had moved beyond the article 32 (?) hearing, stupid misleading thread title! MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #265 January 2, 2012 Quoteno damage has been shown to be done to the us - read the title of the thread. after manning they will go after assange of course The thread title itself is wrong, buddy._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #266 January 24, 2012 Quoteno damage has been shown to be done to the us - read the title of the thread. after manning they will go after assange of course... You putting a statement into a thread title doesn't make that statement true. QuoteUS Sources Exposed... An encrypted WikiLeaks file containing 251,000 unredacted U.S. State Department cables is now widely available online, along with the passphrase to open it. The release of the documents in raw form, including the names of U.S. informants around the globe, has raised concerns that dozens of people could now be in danger.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #267 January 24, 2012 ...from the link... QuoteWikiLeaks blames the Guardian for disclosing the password in a book it published earlier this year about its WikiLeaks collaboration. WikiLeaks called the Guardian‘s action “gross negligence or malice.” “The Guardian disclosure is a violation of the confidentiality agreement between WikiLeaks and Alan Rusbridger, editor-in-chief of the Guardian, signed July 30, 2010,” the group said in a lengthy statement. ...from that link... QuoteA Guardian journalist has, in a previously undetected act of gross negligence or malice, and in violation a signed security agreement with the Guardian's editor-in-chief Alan Rusbridger, disclosed top secret decryption passwords to the entire, unredacted, WikiLeaks Cablegate archive. We have already spoken to the State Department and commenced pre-litigation action. We will issue a formal statement in due course. WIKILEAKS Well, that takes a lot of fucking gall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #268 January 24, 2012 'raised concerns' isn't a clear sign of harm done to the us...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 125 #269 January 24, 2012 QuoteYou putting a statement into a thread title doesn't make that statement true. And you putting a contradiction in a thread does not make the prior statement 'untrue' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #270 January 24, 2012 and "harm done" has never been at issue in any regard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Garthok 0 #271 January 24, 2012 Quote'raised concerns' isn't a clear sign of harm done to the us... Where did you go to law school? How did you become an expert on Criminal Law, Criminal Procedure, and general Jurisprudence, much less the military variant of all of the above? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #272 February 7, 2012 Say bye bye to tranny spy boy. Bradley Manning going down hard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #273 February 7, 2012 Quote Quote 'raised concerns' isn't a clear sign of harm done to the us... Where did you go to law school? How did you become an expert on Criminal Law, Criminal Procedure, and general Jurisprudence, much less the military variant of all of the above? Careful.....Andy9o8 is kinda touchy about the sexuality issue on this traitor. Check out Andy9o8's emotional prior posts complaining about a newspaper article that mentioned Manning's tranny-ism. Oh...sorry, wrong poster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #274 February 7, 2012 QuoteSay bye bye to tranny spy boy. Bradley Manning going down hard Too damned bad for the little traitor! It's the old story... If, you're gonna dance, ya' gotta pay the fiddler! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #275 February 7, 2012 Quote Quote Say bye bye to tranny spy boy. Bradley Manning going down hard Too damned bad for the little traitor! It's the old story... If, you're gonna dance, ya' gotta pay the fiddler! Chuck It's the Piper. You have to pay the Piper. Damn, forgot you were in Texas. It's the Fiddler down there, sorry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
