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Bradley Manning Hearing Ends with No Clear Sign of Harm Done to US

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We've also locked away a few former military for espionage when they did not share any valid information, just junk put there to trip up the idiots.
That's part of what some people are missing here.
Doesn't matter WHAT he released.
It is clearly against the law to do so.
Shoot him, hang him, lock him away for life - your choice, his decision. I don't personally support the death penalty, but I realize we as a society do. Just like locking away those that would risk the entire nation because they're self righteous idiots who think they know better when they clearly do not.
If the big bad military is doing something illegal there are and have been other ways to make those facts known.

Those that decry a transparent society make me wonder where they would draw the line of unshared information in their own lives and business practices. Some of those businesses put people's lives' at risk continually, yet refuse to share any information publicly.
Maybe they need a Bradley Manning in their midst.
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>and now if the guy/gal is a medic/intelligence officer who has been called to an
>emergency where dozens are about to lose their lives - do the police arrest the 'drunk'
>or escort them to the scene of the emergency...

Arrest him I hope - both to prevent him from killing anyone enroute to the accident and to prevent a drunk responder from killing people with a scalpel or a defibrillator.

"But offischer - I'm an intelligensche offischer and I watch House all the time!'

But we can extend that to a lot of cases.

How about if the drunken guy/gal is a pilot who has been called to the airport to fly a critically ill patient to a transplant in another city? Should they arrest him or escort him to the cockpit? (Might have to carry him a little of the way)

How about if the drunken guy/gal us a brain surgeon enroute to a delicate operation? Should they arrest him, or escort him into the ER and hand him the scalpel?

How about if the drunken guy/gal us a school bus driver enroute to his job? Should they arrest him, or escort him to the bus lot to ensure he gets lots of bright-eyed students to class?

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We've also locked away a few former military for espionage when they did not share any valid information, just junk put there to trip up the idiots.
That's part of what some people are missing here.
Doesn't matter WHAT he released.
It is clearly against the law to do so.
Shoot him, hang him, lock him away for life - your choice, his decision. I don't personally support the death penalty, but I realize we as a society do. Just like locking away those that would risk the entire nation because they're self righteous idiots who think they know better when they clearly do not.
If the big bad military is doing something illegal there are and have been other ways to make those facts known.

Those that decry a transparent society make me wonder where they would draw the line of unshared information in their own lives and business practices. Some of those businesses put people's lives' at risk continually, yet refuse to share any information publicly.
Maybe they need a Bradley Manning in their midst.
:P



Agreed....
Benedict Manning crossed that line which separates traitor from whistle blower. His life really is over.

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>and now if the guy/gal is a medic/intelligence officer who has been called to an
>emergency where dozens are about to lose their lives - do the police arrest the 'drunk'
>or escort them to the scene of the emergency...

Arrest him I hope?



and the bomb goes off that the intelligence officer was about to find and dozens die as a result...
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the same bomb some bomb tech idiot tried to disarm while intoxicated and killed dozens of his brothers in arms???



he'd had one drink (so not 'drunk') and was quite capable of finding the bomb. however the police sticking to the absolute letter of the law arrested him...
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>and the bomb goes off that the intelligence officer was about to find and dozens
>die as a result.

Drunk intelligence officers don't find bombs. They tend to - well - be drunk.



i'm sure lots of drunk officers find lots of criminals...
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the same bomb some bomb tech idiot tried to disarm while intoxicated and killed dozens of his brothers in arms???



he'd had one drink (so not 'drunk') and was quite capable of finding the bomb. however the police sticking to the absolute letter of the law arrested him...



As this "what if" game is all fantasy, it matters not.
But you got people thinking, and you got attention for a while out of it. Kudos for both.


Manning violated the UCMJ, and was prosecuted for it. It is others like your self that try to justify it as OK for a different reason than the ones even Manning stated.

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>he'd had one drink (so not 'drunk') and was quite capable of finding the bomb.

Then no problem. His blood alcohol level is under the legal limit, so the police say "be careful" and send him on his way.

You're going to lose this one rather badly. Drunk driving really isn't defensible, no matter what bizarre rationale you concoct.

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he'd had one drink (so not 'drunk')



LOL! It's just one drink, now, no longer drunk? Where up-thread was that part of the hypothetical fact pattern?

You get yourself so busy making up supposedly real "facts", you can't even keep track of when you falsify the hypothetical ones.

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no one was prosecuted for opening fire on children from a helicopter. No one was even reprimanded.

or maybe they were - or is that a secret too?



Is that the best they can come up with at conspiracy-of-the-day.com?

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yes a lot is prosecuted that needed to be.



Which means, since you heard about it, that *gasp* IT WASN'T SECRET!!!

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Which raises concerns from citizens like me about all the shit they got away with because it is 'secret'. get it?



All that stuff that you don't know if it even happened or not...but it just *MUST* have because they didn't open up every single document for your personal verification, right?

You make it more and more clear with every post that you have absolutely NO clue what classification entails.


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Perhaps it might lead to the impeachment of a president or even a war crimes prosecution. get it?



Ah, yes....the burning 'must.get.Bush' drive. Maybe you should talk to a professional about that.

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no secrets. no wars. I like that.



There is no evidence to support your claim that 'no secrets' will result in 'no wars'. It's even MORE ludicrous to think that the entire world will bow to your whim.
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the same bomb some bomb tech idiot tried to disarm while intoxicated and killed dozens of his brothers in arms???



he'd had one drink (so not 'drunk') and was quite capable of finding the bomb. however the police sticking to the absolute letter of the law arrested him...



As this "what if" game is all fantasy,



billvon's fantasy example - not mine...
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>he'd had one drink (so not 'drunk') and was quite capable of finding the bomb.

Then no problem. His blood alcohol level is under the legal limit, so the police say "be careful" and send him on his way.

You're going to lose this one rather badly. Drunk driving really isn't defensible, no matter what bizarre rationale you concoct.



drunk driving isn't defensible - except under 'not normal' conditions. then a judgement call has to be made. for instance this guy should/should not have been allowed to conduct a war...

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Churchill was – and remains – in a league of his own, boasting: "I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me."

His tastes were catholic and his appetite powerful, though he is usually associated with Pol Roger champagne and brandy.

It was part of his image, along with the Havana cigars, at a time when lapses by public figures were more closely protected by their friends and the media.

Any suggestions of drunkenness in the Commons were usually a matter of private speculation and Labour MP Bessie Braddock's remark – "Winston, you are drunk" – is apocryphal. So is his ungallant reply: "Bessie, you are ugly, but tomorrow I shall be sober."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2010/sep/02/prime-ministers-and-alcohol
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and now if the guy/gal is a medic/intelligence officer who has been called to an emergency where dozens are about to lose their lives - do the police arrest the 'drunk' or escort them to the scene of the emergency...



It's pretty simple, and obvious to anyone that's had a job with on call responsibilities. When a medic is on call, he or she does not get drunk. A drunk medic is not the savior you think. Same applies to me - I get paid for this time on call and it would be unprofessional to be in a state where I could cost the company millions.

And spies on call to find bombs? You watch 24 a lot? Let's get back to the real world, where drunk driving kills tens of thousands of Americans each year. If the spy is that important, he can take a taxi.

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and now if the guy/gal is a medic/intelligence officer who has been called to an emergency where dozens are about to lose their lives - do the police arrest the 'drunk' or escort them to the scene of the emergency...



It's pretty simple, and obvious to anyone that's had a job with on call responsibilities. When a medic is on call, he or she does not get drunk. A drunk medic is not the savior you think. Same applies to me - I get paid for this time on call and it would be unprofessional to be in a state where I could cost the company millions.

And spies on call to find bombs? You watch 24 a lot? Let's get back to the real world, where drunk driving kills tens of thousands of Americans each year. If the spy is that important, he can take a taxi.



he can take a taxi - but lose valuable, critical time (ooops i'm into 24 hours land) that bomb goes off...

hey, what about my churchill example - should he have been removed from office?
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the same bomb some bomb tech idiot tried to disarm while intoxicated and killed dozens of his brothers in arms???



he'd had one drink (so not 'drunk') and was quite capable of finding the bomb. however the police sticking to the absolute letter of the law arrested him...



As this "what if" game is all fantasy,



billvon's fantasy example - not mine...



You are the guy who made post #1 right?

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he can take a taxi - but lose valuable, critical time (ooops i'm into 24 hours land) that bomb goes off...

hey, what about my churchill example - should he have been removed from office?



Was he driving?

If that spy is so essential, the CIA can keep a driver on standby.

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and now if the guy/gal is a medic/intelligence officer who has been called to an emergency where dozens are about to lose their lives - do the police arrest the 'drunk' or escort them to the scene of the emergency...



It's pretty simple, and obvious to anyone that's had a job with on call responsibilities. When a medic is on call, he or she does not get drunk. A drunk medic is not the savior you think. Same applies to me - I get paid for this time on call and it would be unprofessional to be in a state where I could cost the company millions.

And spies on call to find bombs? You watch 24 a lot? Let's get back to the real world, where drunk driving kills tens of thousands of Americans each year. If the spy is that important, he can take a taxi.



he can take a taxi - but lose valuable, critical time (ooops i'm into 24 hours land) that bomb goes off...

hey, what about my churchill example - should he have been removed from office?



Lemme ask you this. I want a straight answer. No beating around the bush, no hedging, just a straight-up honest answer. You up for it? Here goes...
Would you honestly want a drunk EMT or doctor working on you if, you were in a wreck?


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you have your idealism and I have mine. you have as much (or as little) proof (that you are requesting from me) that yours works any better than mine.

In fact, you have NO evidence that yours works any better.

so once again, as expected, we disagree, surprise surprise and I could give a shit.

You have yours and I have mine. No secrets. It's the wold I want. my vote at least may negate yours, and vice versa.

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In fact, you have NO evidence that yours works any better.



Sure I do - it's called historical fact. You know, things like the successful invasion at Normandy, etc etc etc.

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No secrets. It's the wold I want.



So you'd be willing to release the financials for the DZ, so we can see if you can actually afford to get insurance for your employees, right?
Mike
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The little piece of crap betryed his country. God only know how mny GIs got killed or maimed for his treachery. Not to mention the sources that were compromised and dissapered. You don't care about that stuff do you dreamdancer. Let others do the fighting and you just sit on the sidelines and complain about how fucked up this nation is and how barbaric its military is.....

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In fact, you have NO evidence that yours works any better.



Sure I do - it's called historical fact. You know, things like the successful invasion at Normandy, etc etc etc.

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No secrets. It's the wold I want.



So you'd be willing to release the financials for the DZ, so we can see if you can actually afford to get insurance for your employees, right?



Mike, This is not the first time I have heard of this challenge about TK and his operation. Even under Obama Care, he would not qualify to require paying health care (needs about 50 employess, not contractors(packers, as long as he isn't micromanaging their process), or pilots (if he own the planes, then they can be considered statutory employees) to subsidize. Did I miss a Moral or Legal debate?
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