dreamdancer 0 #26 November 15, 2011 Quote Quotethe knowledge of these groups will become popular again... What you consider to be "knowledge" qualifies as nothing more than ideology by definition. Your value for what might become "popular" is hardly surprising or thought-provoking. but nevertheless correct...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #27 November 15, 2011 Quote Note: history demonstrates that ALL groups that purport to act on behalf of workers eventually get either torn apart from within as people jockey for power (which is anathema to equality) or end up shitting on the workers (see Eastern Europe, China, North Korea, Cuba...) history isn't over yet (we're just entering an exciting new period when all sorts of history will be made)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #28 November 15, 2011 Quotebut nevertheless correct... It is indeed politically correct in some circles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #29 November 15, 2011 QuoteHistory repeats itself when the lessons learned are lost... like the lesson of the great war...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #30 November 15, 2011 Quote In Reply To Note: history demonstrates that ALL groups that purport to act on behalf of workers eventually get either torn apart from within as people jockey for power (which is anathema to equality) or end up shitting on the workers (see Eastern Europe, China, North Korea, Cuba...) history isn't over yet For the hundred million or so that were killed by the aforementioned, history ended. In fact, Stalin himself had a nice habit of erasing people from history altogether. So yes. History isn't over. Guess why people who appreciate human rights are concerned about it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #31 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteHistory repeats itself when the lessons learned are lost... like the lesson of the great war... Yep. All it took was the National Socialist Party to make sure those lessons were lost. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #32 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteHistory repeats itself when the lessons learned are lost... like the lesson of the great war... Which one? The Communist revolution in Russia or China? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #33 November 15, 2011 QuoteIf you value freedom of speech, then thank a Soldier, Sailor, Marine, Airman, or Coast Guardsman. Fixed that for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #34 November 15, 2011 "People who live in glass houses.........." Would you care to discuss the UK in India and free speech? That bit of history is more current, involves direct government policy and is far greater in scope than this isolated bit 1912 trivia. Why don't you admit to being anti American and get over yourself? From your history of posts it is more than evident. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #35 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteHistory repeats itself when the lessons learned are lost... like the lesson of the great war... Which one? The Communist revolution in Russia or China? this one... QuoteThe government used World War I as an opportunity to crush the IWW. In September 1917, U.S. Department of Justice agents made simultaneous raids on forty-eight IWW meeting halls across the country. In 1917, one hundred and sixty-five IWW leaders were arrested for conspiring to hinder the draft, encourage desertion, and intimidate others in connection with labor disputes, under the new Espionage Act; one hundred and one went on trial before Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis in 1918. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Workers_of_the_Worldstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #36 November 15, 2011 QuoteIn 1917, one hundred and sixty-five IWW leaders were arrested for conspiring to hinder the draft, encourage desertion, and intimidate others in connection with labor disputes What do those acts of civil disobedience have to do with anarchy or freedom of speech? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #37 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteIn 1917, one hundred and sixty-five IWW leaders were arrested for conspiring to hinder the draft, encourage desertion, and intimidate others in connection with labor disputes What do those acts of civil disobedience have to do with anarchy or freedom of speech? and then there was a war... (eventually you'll put the dots together)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #38 November 15, 2011 Quote (eventually you'll put the dots together) If you can't do that yourself, don't ask me to do it for you.This is your thread, don't you have a point to make? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #39 November 15, 2011 And history shows that IWW was corrupted by itself from within... Just like always happens... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #40 November 15, 2011 QuoteAnd history shows that IWW was corrupted by itself from within... Just like always happens... so we'll have another great, global labour wave - and then corruption...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #41 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteAnd history shows that IWW was corrupted by itself from within... Just like always happens... so we'll have another great, global labour wave - and then corruption... No. The corruption never ended. Which is while you'll have another great mass of murders and persecution and genocide and war and massive human suffering. Which also, historically, accompanies such movements... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #42 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnd history shows that IWW was corrupted by itself from within... Just like always happens... so we'll have another great, global labour wave - and then corruption... another great mass of murders and persecution and genocide and war and massive human suffering. Which also, historically, accompanies such movements... yep, history sure is going to be interesting. europe and the us recede, china ascends and a great, once in a century, clash between labour and capital builds up. we'd better all keep our heads...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #43 November 15, 2011 Quote we'd better all keep our heads... Your glorification of anarchy shows that you're already past that point, Dreamy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #44 November 15, 2011 Quote Quote we'd better all keep our heads... Your glorification of anarchy shows that you're already past that point, Dreamy. Indeed, considering he's never really lived through Anarchy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #45 November 15, 2011 Quote Quote we'd better all keep our heads... Your glorification of anarchy shows that you're already past that point, Dreamy. now tell me who the leaders of the occupy movement are cap'n...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #46 November 15, 2011 Quotenow tell me who the leaders of the occupy movement are cap'n... Leader? I thought you had appointed yourself, Dreamy. Are you now hopin' that somebody will explain this OWS thing for you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #47 November 15, 2011 Quote Quote Quote we'd better all keep our heads... Your glorification of anarchy shows that you're already past that point, Dreamy. now tell me who the leaders of the occupy movement are cap'n... Now tell us why you are living in a country with a King...Not very anarchist-friendly, a Monarchy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #48 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuotenow tell me who the leaders of the occupy movement are cap'n... Leader? I thought you had appointed yourself, Dreamy. Are you now hopin' that somebody will explain this OWS thing for you? i expect the financial crash was a surprise to you...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #49 November 15, 2011 Quotei expect the financial crash was a surprise to you... You can expect whatever you want, but expectation is the leading cause of disappointment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #50 November 15, 2011 so the financial crash wasn't a surprise to you...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
