nigel99 143 #251 November 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteAre you now saying that your criteria is based on whether or not someone is "looking for evidence"? No QuoteAsking for physical proof of a non-physical anything is stooopid. I disagree. Deitys need to have evidence to even suggest that they might exist before I will even consider basing my life around them. The religious use very poor reasoning and often down right lies to support their beliefs. Just go to the Answers in Genesis to see the many lies and misdirection that is put out there by the religious. There is no non-physical anything. Spiritualism or super natural are just things that people made up. It's just silly to believe these things with out any evidence to even suggest they are real. Show me some evidence to suggest their real. Use proper critical thinking. Otherwise I will laugh off your beliefs. There are currently areas of life that we don't have concrete answers for. Some of us choose to believe that science will fill in the gaps in due course, others prefer to attribute certain things to a God (or Gods). I think you are stretching things to say there is nothing "non-physical". I believe there are things that are currently attributed to the supernatural by many people that one day we will have a complete understanding of. Kallends example of the placebo effect is an excellent example - it shows the power of belief. I don't believe we have scientific answers for that (yet).Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #252 November 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI think deitys were made up by primitive man to explain what they didn't understand. Ya, people think a lot...they say alot, especially people that shove the idea of irrefutable proof down everyones throat. They say things like faith is a physiological ailment, while others will say it's an evolutionary benefit...well how about taking your own advice and prove it? How do you know? There isn't any way to "know", but it makes much more logical sense then does the existence of deitys How do you know you're not just using that to explain something you don't understand?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #253 November 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteAre you now saying that your criteria is based on whether or not someone is "looking for evidence"? No QuoteAsking for physical proof of a non-physical anything is stooopid. I disagree. Deitys need to have evidence to even suggest that they might exist before I will even consider basing my life around them. The religious use very poor reasoning and often down right lies to support their beliefs. Just go to the Answers in Genesis to see the many lies and misdirection that is put out there by the religious. There is no non-physical anything. Spiritualism or super natural are just things that people made up. It's just silly to believe these things with out any evidence to even suggest they are real. Show me some evidence to suggest their real. Use proper critical thinking. Otherwise I will laugh off your beliefs. There are currently areas of life that we don't have concrete answers for. Some of us choose to believe that science will fill in the gaps in due course, others prefer to attribute certain things to a God (or Gods). I think you are stretching things to say there is nothing "non-physical". I believe there are things that are currently attributed to the supernatural by many people that one day we will have a complete understanding of. Kallends example of the placebo effect is an excellent example - it shows the power of belief. I don't believe we have scientific answers for that (yet). And deitys are the silliest thing ever thought of by man. What is there that is non-physical?? As for the placebo effect that is a example of the psychological effect on the body. It's not super natural. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #254 November 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo you just stick a label on bullshit and delude yourself like many others, it's not weird, just flawed thinking. Meh, you should've seen me when I was an athiest... Any who, I hope your perfect thinking takes you very far in life...godspeed. It is because I understand how flawed people are at thinking that I choose science. Belief without evidence is faith, not reason. Well then, apparently you have faith in your perfection...good luck with that. You can post all the non sequiturs you like, it won't make for a coherent argument. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #255 November 2, 2011 Quoteasking for physical proof of a non-physical anything is just plain stooopid. Proclaiming belief in something of serious consequence without evidence is stupid. Quote Limiting your faith to the physical world is just that....limiting. Faith? You can have all the faith you like in all the bullshit you like but there is no evidence, that's why it's faith. It's also why sensible people are not persuaded by your unsupported claims. Quote Do you really think that scientists have never made an advancement without having some intangible faith that there was something else to be discovered? Do you really think that all scientific discoveries we accomplished purely by chance? If you did not have advanced proof that something exists, what in the world would make you go search for it? You don't believe in it so why would you go seek it? You are utterly lost when it comes to approximating how science operates. Scientists propose theories to explain observations and make further predictions using those theories. The theories that have predictive value win. You jello minded attempt to confabulate science with faith is utterly muddled. There is advanced evidence that gives rise to most scientific theories, it's called observation and experimentation, when an obsrvation or experiment deviates from established theories or when there is no theory minds get busy trying to explain facts with new theories or better observations. It turns out this works rather well at producing a set working models of reality and amazing progress like increased life expectancy and the internet you are using now. Faith on the other hand provides us with some pretty stone buildings and oppressive edicts, and the occasional outbreak of witch burning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #256 November 3, 2011 QuoteIt turns out this works rather well at producing a set working models of reality and amazing progress like increased life expectancy and the internet you are using now. ...and biological weapons, chemical weapons, nuclear weapons, ecstasy, lead paint, CFC's, and chia pets.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #257 November 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo you just stick a label on bullshit and delude yourself like many others, it's not weird, just flawed thinking. Meh, you should've seen me when I was an athiest... Any who, I hope your perfect thinking takes you very far in life...godspeed. It is because I understand how flawed people are at thinking that I choose science. Belief without evidence is faith, not reason. Well then, apparently you have faith in your perfection...good luck with that. You can post all the non sequiturs you like, it won't make for a coherent argument. Kinda pointless to argue against your trollish strawmen and biased opinions...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #258 November 3, 2011 Thought you'd like this."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #259 November 3, 2011 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #261 November 3, 2011 looks like you normissed the point once again... Not that I'm surprised. I don't credit you with much in the way of comprehension.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #262 November 3, 2011 Oh I fully understood the irony of your comment. I don't need your "credit" for anything, thank you just the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #263 November 3, 2011 Do you ever have anything of substance to contribute other than a bunch of lame, ill-conceived attempts at one-liners? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=forum_35&search_string=&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=normiss&sb=score&mh=25Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #264 November 3, 2011 I would ask the same question of you sir. Perspective is an interesting thing. We are fundamentally opposed in our views of imaginary beings. I'm more than ok with that. As are you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #265 November 3, 2011 My experiences as a child turned me off from organized religion at a fairly early age...I ran away from home at 13 just to get away from a church and its followers. However I still believed in a christian god for a couple more years, till critical thinking started to chip away at the concept. Eventually I became a die-hard agnostic, unaware of any evidence of a god. Occam's razor leads me to believe one likely doesn't exist, or at least not in any form currently recognized as a "religion". Today, I guess I'd still call myself an agnostic, but with a hefty atheist bias. I think a god (in the religous sense) is highly unlikely, and if one does exist, it's highly unlikely to be anything like we imagine. I seriously doubt we are capable of understanding such an entity's motivations or desires, and I'm not going to spend too much effort chasing an impossible goal. So I guess it was a slow process, and those closest to me are fine with it. My daughter was offended when I didn't call her on Easter this year, but that's the rare exception. It took me awhile to remind her that there was no snub...I honestly didn't even realize it was easter till that afternoon, when Costco was closed. (Eventually it dawned on her that we hadn't done anything on easter since she'd been of egg-hunting age.)There was no snub, it's just not a holiday I even notice, much less celebrate. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #266 November 3, 2011 QuoteI would ask the same question of you sir. Well to keep it simple, when we compare our last 25 responses in SC, I can honestly answer "yes." Yours just make you seem like a post whore... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=post%20whoreYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 620 #267 November 3, 2011 Insert copy and paste of my last response here> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #268 November 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI would ask the same question of you sir. Well to keep it simple, when we compare our last 25 responses in SC, I can honestly answer "yes." Yours just make you seem like a post whore... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=post%20whore This one sounds like a fit. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jesus+freak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #269 November 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteIt turns out this works rather well at producing a set working models of reality and amazing progress like increased life expectancy and the internet you are using now. ...and biological weapons, chemical weapons, nuclear weapons, ecstasy, lead paint, CFC's, and chia pets. Yep. it's pretty damned effective, ain't it. P.S. I should point out that it is because of science that we understand the negative impacts and no longer use lead paint and CFCs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #270 November 3, 2011 QuoteThought you'd like this. That is an epic demotivational that is far more eloquent than anything I've written here. I guess it's only demotivational if you're a religious neo-Luddite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #271 November 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNo you just stick a label on bullshit and delude yourself like many others, it's not weird, just flawed thinking. Meh, you should've seen me when I was an athiest... Any who, I hope your perfect thinking takes you very far in life...godspeed. It is because I understand how flawed people are at thinking that I choose science. Belief without evidence is faith, not reason. Well then, apparently you have faith in your perfection...good luck with that. I rarely use the words "believe" or "faith" relative to my opinions. I prefer "suspect" and "doubt". Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
