dreamdancer 0 #1 September 26, 2011 a moral twist... QuoteThere's another way of looking at “class war”: habitually vilifying the unfortunate; claiming that their plight is a manifestation of some personal flaw or cultural deficiency. Conservatives wage this form of class warfare virtually every day, consigning millions of people who are down on their luck to some subhuman underclass. The belief that there exists a large pool of “undeserving poor” who suck the lifeblood out of the rest of society lies at the heart of the Right's demonstrably false “culture of poverty” narrative. It's a narrative that runs through Ayn Rand's works. It comes to us in bizarre spin that holds up the rich as “wealth producers” and “job creators.” And it effects our public policies. In his classic book, Why Americans Hate Welfare, Martin Gilens found a striking disconnect: significant majorities of Americans told pollsters that they wanted public spending to fight poverty to be increased at the same time that similar majorities said they were opposed to welfare. Gilens studied a number of different opinion polls and concluded that the disconnect was driven by a widespread belief that “most welfare recipients don't really need it,” and by racial animus – “perceptions that welfare recipients are undeserving and blacks are lazy.” http://www.alternet.org/economy/152512/6_ways_the_rich_are_waging_a_class_war_against_the_american_people/stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #2 September 26, 2011 Yeah, we get it. You hate successful people and want them to pay for everything while you get a free ride. So tell us bridgedweller: what specifically would you change in the tax law?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #3 September 26, 2011 Nothing.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #4 September 26, 2011 Democrats wage this form of class warfare virtually every day, consigning millions of Republicans who are down on their luck to some subhuman underclass. FIFY Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #5 September 27, 2011 QuoteYou hate successful people and want them to pay for everything while you get a free ride. It's always got to be so fucking EXTREME with you guys.... no one said they hate anyone, no said they were asking for a free ride. A little more compromise.... perhaps that is all that is being asked for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #6 September 27, 2011 >A little more compromise.... perhaps that is all that is being asked for. Fair enough. So if we compromise and support the aviation tax we can expect others to compromise on new taxes for them as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #7 September 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou hate successful people and want them to pay for everything while you get a free ride. It's always got to be so fucking EXTREME with you guys.... no one said they hate anyone, no said they were asking for a free ride. A little more compromise.... perhaps that is all that is being asked for. If you've read his posts, you realize that really does (sadly) sum up his position. I'd love for him to answer questions and give his thoughts. Since he refuses, we can only take what he gives us. So, when can we expect your open letter of support for the aviation tax?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #8 September 27, 2011 >There's another way of looking at “class war”: habitually vilifying the unfortunate You're right! That's unfair. We should only habitually vilify the fortunate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #9 September 27, 2011 Quote >There's another way of looking at “class war”: habitually vilifying the unfortunate You're right! That's unfair. We should only habitually vilify the fortunate. +1 witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #10 September 27, 2011 QuoteYeah, we get it. You hate successful people and want them to pay for everything while you get a free ride. So tell us bridgedweller: what specifically would you change in the tax law? According to mnealtx in another thread, the richest 1% pay 28.8% of taxes. The right wingers repeatedly tell us the bottom 50% isn't paying its way. Since the richest 1% own some 40% of the nation's assets, it seems that the rich and poor alike are freeloading on the middle class.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 September 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteYeah, we get it. You hate successful people and want them to pay for everything while you get a free ride. So tell us bridgedweller: what specifically would you change in the tax law? According to mnealtx in another thread, the richest 1% pay 28.8% of taxes. The right wingers repeatedly tell us the bottom 50% isn't paying its way. Since the richest 1% own some 40% of the nation's assets, it seems that the rich and poor alike are freeloading on the middle class. That top one percent only has 13.8% of *income* - you know, that stuff that *income* taxes are levied against? Of course, I understand that you can't mention that since it destroys your supposed 'argument'.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #12 September 27, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Yeah, we get it. You hate successful people and want them to pay for everything while you get a free ride. So tell us bridgedweller: what specifically would you change in the tax law? According to mnealtx in another thread, the richest 1% pay 28.8% of taxes. The right wingers repeatedly tell us the bottom 50% isn't paying its way. Since the richest 1% own some 40% of the nation's assets, it seems that the rich and poor alike are freeloading on the middle class. That top one percent only has 13.8% of *income* - you know, that stuff that *income* taxes are levied against? Of course, I understand that you can't mention that since it destroys your supposed 'argument'. "Rich" !=income ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #13 September 27, 2011 Quote"Rich" !=income And the "poor" in the US have cars, cell phones, play-stations and bigger TV's than me. so "rich" and "poor" are not really good terms. Hell, the "middle class" can be someone with $25,000 to $100,000 a year in income. Of course, 100k in SF or San Diego will not really get you very far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #14 September 28, 2011 Quote Quote "Rich" !=income And the "poor" in the US have cars, cell phones, play-stations and bigger TV's than me. Well, perhaps you should work harder or more effectively then you too could have a big TV.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #15 September 28, 2011 Quote>There's another way of looking at “class war”: habitually vilifying the unfortunate You're right! That's unfair. We should only habitually vilify the fortunate. billvon drops a pile of verbal crap...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #16 September 28, 2011 QuoteSo tell us bridgedweller: what specifically would you change in the tax law? how cute - a little baby troll... (have you got an adult troll to supervise you)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #17 September 28, 2011 QuoteThe European Commission has formally announced legislation to bring a Robin Hood tax into law. The move that will be welcomed by campaigners, but could trigger a clash with the UK and America. EC President Jose Manuel Barroso, during his State of the Union speech in Strasbourg, said the financial sector should now repay some of its debts to the rest of the world, which helped it through the depths of the financial crash three years ago. In the last three years, member states have granted aid and provided guarantees of €4.6 trillion to the financial sector. It is time for the financial sector to make a contribution back to society. A so-called Tobin Tax would involve a tiny levy being imposed every time a financial transaction, such as buying or selling stocks, currencies or bonds, took place. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/blog/2011/sep/28/european-debt-crisis-greek-bailoutstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #18 September 28, 2011 QuoteWell, perhaps you should work harder or more effectively then you too could have a big TV. Maybe I see having no debt but my house being preferable to having neater toys? Besides, I have a 50" Sony DLP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
460 0 #19 September 28, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteYeah, we get it. You hate successful people and want them to pay for everything while you get a free ride. So tell us bridgedweller: what specifically would you change in the tax law? According to mnealtx in another thread, the richest 1% pay 28.8% of taxes. The right wingers repeatedly tell us the bottom 50% isn't paying its way. Since the richest 1% own some 40% of the nation's assets, it seems that the rich and poor alike are freeloading on the middle class. That top one percent only has 13.8% of *income* - you know, that stuff that *income* taxes are levied against? Of course, I understand that you can't mention that since it destroys your supposed 'argument'. I cannot believe that the issue of letting the Bush tax cuts end is equated to class warfare. The richest 1% of the US own much more than 40% of national assets. I don't understand where 13.8% is coming from.Looks like a death sandwich without the bread - Steve Deadman Morrell, BASE 174 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 September 28, 2011 QuoteIt's always got to be so fucking EXTREME with you guys.... yeah - one side calls the other side "greedy and selfish" the other side calls the first side "hateful and resentful" I suspect the true case is most people have a well thought our rationale for their positions, but if each side acknowledged that about the other side, then they'd have to throw out all the emotional energy and the strawhorse arguments and actually have to THINK ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 September 28, 2011 Quote Quote >There's another way of looking at “class war”: habitually vilifying the unfortunate You're right! That's unfair. We should only habitually vilify the fortunate. +1 I think we should sporadically vilify both. takes less effort and they don't have a schedule to plan their defenses ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 September 28, 2011 Quote Quote Quote "Rich" !=income And the "poor" in the US have cars, cell phones, play-stations and bigger TV's than me. Well, perhaps you should work harder or more effectively then you too could have a big TV. nonsense - he should moan and groan about it and sooner or later the government will give him one for 'free' ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 September 28, 2011 QuoteI cannot believe that the issue of letting the Bush tax cuts end is equated to class warfare. That's not what is being discussed. QuoteThe richest 1% of the US own much more than 40% of national assets. I don't understand where 13.8% is coming from. If you can tell me what part of the word "income" gave you the problem, I'll try to explain further.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
460 0 #24 September 29, 2011 Please do then. I don't understand what your thesis is.Looks like a death sandwich without the bread - Steve Deadman Morrell, BASE 174 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 September 29, 2011 QuotePlease do then. I don't understand what your thesis is. Sure thing - what part of the word "income" gave you the problem?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
