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Gov. Brown vetoes bill to restrict military funeral pickets.

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Andy9o8 et. al., believe that, as a Christian, I should not have these emotions or, at least not express them.



If you want to spin your own earlier posts to massage their meaning, that's your choice.

But you don't speak for me, son, so don't slander me.

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Andy9o8 et. al., believe that, as a Christian, I should not have these emotions or, at least not express them.



If you want to spin your own earlier posts to massage their meaning, that's your choice.

But you don't speak for me, son, so don't slander me.



I did not think it was slander. I did not mean it to be slander. However, I do understand what you are saying now. I will refrain from using your handle.

Like I said, you are one of the good guys.
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... is the playground of trust fund babies and yuppies....



Skydiving is a large circle of friends and acquaintances from all over the world, just as closely held as it has always been. With a few misfits, just like it has always been.

It is not, nor has it ever been 'exclusive' in any way to the military, despite what your experiences are/were.

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... is the playground of trust fund babies and yuppies....



Skydiving is a large circle of friends and acquaintances from all over the world, just as closely held as it has always been. With a few misfits, just like it has always been.

It is not, nor has it ever been 'exclusive' in any way to the military, despite what your experiences are/were.


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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/07/brown-vetoes-bill-to-limit-protests-at-military/

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SACRAMENTO

Gov. Jerry Brown on Wednesday vetoed legislation that would have sharply limited protests at military funerals, delivering a victory to a small but vocal Kansas church that pickets somber goodbyes to fallen soldiers as a way to promote its anti-gay message,

In his veto message, Brown said he was “very tempted” to sign the measure but in “good faith” could not because it conflicts with a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling that upheld picketing by the Westboro Baptist Church.
The veto comes just days before the 10th anniversary of 9/11, which the church contends reflected God’s wrath on the U.S. for its sins. Similar protests have been staged at funerals for celebrities, at disaster sites and synagogues.



Liberals have no core values. They have only strategies and tactics for political expediency. He is a disgrace to California and America.



I'm guessing you missed this part?

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...because it conflicts with a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling that upheld picketing by the Westboro Baptist Church.



In other words, he's not going to sign a bill the Supreme Court has pretty much already decided is unconstitutional.

How, exactly, is that being a "disgrace to California and America"?



Yeah, I see your point. The Feds sure stopped the state cold with the medical marijuana ruling, didn't they. Maybe just me, but I think this would've been the fight to pick. Then again, it's not as popular of a debate as Marijuana in California. Liberal is as Liberal does.

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Yeah, I see your point. The Feds sure stopped the state cold with the medical marijuana ruling, didn't they. Maybe just me, but I think this would've been the fight to pick. Then again, it's not as popular of a debate as Marijuana in California. Liberal is as Liberal does.



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Yeah, I see your point. The Feds sure stopped the state cold with the medical marijuana ruling, didn't they. Maybe just me, but I think this would've been the fight to pick. Then again, it's not as popular of a debate as Marijuana in California. Liberal is as Liberal does.



Medical marijuana came from an initiative, not legislative action.

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But the seminarian in him also has a deep appreciation for the sanctity of oaths.



Now we've reached a subject where I call bullshit. He's got a demonstrated history of NOT complying with his oath. This is the same man who, as California Attorney General, actively participating in the selling out of his client.

As an attorney, Andy, you know that no attorney complies with his oath by failing to mount a zealous defense of his client. "The Attorney General shall attend the Supreme Court and prosecute or defend all causes to which the State, or any State officer is a party in his or her official capacity." Govt. Code section 12512.

Not only did Jerry Brown fail to mount a zealous defense, but he actively argued against his client. His client was the State of California. He argued against his client in the Prop 8 matter. His argument was a magnificent piece of political manifesto prose and utterly devoid of legal merit.

HE LOST. And the State of California won because intervenors had to take up the defense.

Jerry Brown (by and through his office) argued that law should not matter, and that "natural law" trumps everything.

I've had to argue regarding things that I personally did not like. Just two weeks ago, I substituted out of a case because I did not believe that the case was merited, despite what the client thought, and I did it because I took an oath.

Jerry Brown DELIBERATELY and willfully sold out his client for political gain (and it worked - he's governor now). The "oath" issue is a BIG problem with me, and I'm shocked he wasn't disciplined for his actions.

Jerry Brown is a politician. He is being honest, but do't think for a second he won't violate his "oath" if there is political gain. He did it. I've never seen such an example of an attorney arguing that his client should lose the case in its entirety. That it didn't work is an example of how legally unsound it was.


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vetoed legislation that would have sharply limited protests at military funerals



The 1st Amendment protects speech that you dislike.

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a recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling that upheld picketing by the Westboro Baptist Church



The SC said they could picket. You may not like it (I don't), but it is the 1st Amendment to the Constitution.

BW, you also have the right to show up and peacefully act as a blockade.

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Note: sometimes litigation and positions make for strange things. Check out this case caption, which is good for a giggle. http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/C061648.PDF

Gov. Brown is suing the State Controller - John Chiang. Debra Bowen, Ca's Sec of State, intervened. (they're all Democrats).

Gov. Brown is represented by private counsel (for Plaintiffs and Respondents). John Chiang and Debra Bowen are represented by... JERRY BROWN and the Attorney General's office!

Jerry Brown in the lead lawyer defending the lawsuit filed by himself as Plaintiff.

This is like porn for a lawyer...


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Note: sometimes litigation and positions make for strange things. Check out this case caption, which is good for a giggle. http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/C061648.PDF

Gov. Brown is suing the State Controller - John Chiang. Debra Bowen, Ca's Sec of State, intervened. (they're all Democrats).

Gov. Brown is represented by private counsel (for Plaintiffs and Respondents). John Chiang and Debra Bowen are represented by... JERRY BROWN and the Attorney General's office!

Jerry Brown in the lead lawyer defending the lawsuit filed by himself as Plaintiff.

This is like porn for a lawyer...



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Yeah, I see your point. The Feds sure stopped the state cold with the medical marijuana ruling, didn't they. Maybe just me, but I think this would've been the fight to pick. Then again, it's not as popular of a debate as Marijuana in California. Liberal is as Liberal does.



Medical marijuana came from an initiative, not legislative action.


It matters not why the state acts contrary to federal law. The law remains the law, and the fact that the state thumbs its collective nose at it puts it in violation. The Obama administration's decision to "look the other way" does not nullify the law, it simply calls attention to the impropriety of "selective enforcement" of the law... any law.

Now, which federal law do I get a free pass on? :|

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Yeah, I see your point. The Feds sure stopped the state cold with the medical marijuana ruling, didn't they. Maybe just me, but I think this would've been the fight to pick. Then again, it's not as popular of a debate as Marijuana in California. Liberal is as Liberal does.



Medical marijuana came from an initiative, not legislative action.



It matters not why the state acts contrary to federal law. The law remains the law, and the fact that the state thumbs its collective nose at it puts it in violation.



Of course it matters. The (a) reason why Brown is killing a bill that wouldn't pass constitutional muster doesn't compare to our medical pot laws is that the governor couldn't veto the pot bill.

BTW, a freedomist would see both actions as protection of rights. People have the right to speech, and should have the right to smoke or drink whatever when it doesn't harm anyone else.

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Yeah, I see your point. The Feds sure stopped the state cold with the medical marijuana ruling, didn't they. Maybe just me, but I think this would've been the fight to pick. Then again, it's not as popular of a debate as Marijuana in California. Liberal is as Liberal does.



Medical marijuana came from an initiative, not legislative action.


It matters not why the state acts contrary to federal law. The law remains the law, and the fact that the state thumbs its collective nose at it puts it in violation.


Of course it matters. The (a) reason why Brown is killing a bill that wouldn't pass constitutional muster doesn't compare to our medical pot laws is that the governor couldn't veto the pot bill.

BTW, a freedomist would see both actions as protection of rights. People have the right to speech, and should have the right to smoke or drink whatever when it doesn't harm anyone else.


Freedomist??? Lol... something new every day. :D

You choose to ignore my point, and instead try to redirect. The fact remains, the state is in violation of Federal law as it relates to medical marijuana. Brown could've just as easily ignored the feds in the case of SB 888, but it wasn't nearly as important politically as is the issue of pot in your state. Politicians; especially career politicians like Jerry Brown tend to do what will get them re-elected, not necessarily what is right.

One last time... FEDERAL law. Because the state voted on it and decided, "yeah, we want to legalize medical marijuana" does not nullify the federal law pertaining to it.

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your point seems to be that since the voters 15 years ago passed something that challenges federal law, that the current governor should exercise free reign to ignore the constitution now?

Seems a bit daft - the ACLU would file a lawsuit, we'd spend 6 figures losing in court, and nothing would change. It's not like we have the money to spend - Brown has been doing a lot of symbolic small spending cuts (no paid for cell phones) to set an example.

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It does not challenge federal law, it ignores federal law. The state has spent plenty of money arguing their point with the feds, and it has changed nothing. It is still a federal crime; you are just less likely to (not a guarantee that you won't) be prosecuted for it under the Obama policy.

Cite: Legal costs are almost impossible to calculate in the Golden State. "I suspect it's well above $10 million, and that doesn't even take into account the fee for the time it's taking me to defend these cases. The government doesn't have to pay for that, but it's certainly an expense," says Joe Elford, ASA staff attorney. "It's the beginning of the end, hopefully, and it will save the taxpayers millions if not tens of millions of dollars." He estimates that $500,000 is spent on the prosecution and incarceration of each individual facing charges.

Link to full article at TIME U.S. : http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1888172,00.html

OTOH, SB 888, according to more than a few legal analysts, stood a better than average chance of weathering legal challenges specifically due to attention to detail in it's drafting. Again; there was no political advantage or gain to entice JB to sign it.

What's going to be comical is when the administration changes and we get a CLEO with a set of balls. I can already hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth when it's decided that California has had a free pass long enough (Obama's tenure), and the prosecutions will resume until the state complies with federal law. I believe the figure tossed about was "millions if not tens of millions of dollars." Oh, the horror!

G. Jones

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