wayneflorida 0 #1 August 26, 2011 Could you be a criminal and not know it? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576530520471223268.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #2 August 26, 2011 Un-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #3 August 26, 2011 Last year I bought a bunch of South American hard wood from a guy off of Craig's list. While looking through his stock, one really dark board caught my eye. I asked the guy what it was and he said Brazillian Rosewood. He sold it to me for cheap and said he had 5 or 6 more boards but we couldn't find them. When I got home and Googled Brazillian Rosewood and saw that it was illegal, I came to the conclusion that it probably wasn't what I had. I still don't know what it is, but it does have tone, timber, and a long sustain when I hit it. If that guy ever finds the rest of it, I'm going to build a marimba out of it. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 August 26, 2011 Thank goodness my Les Paul still has its serial number on the headstock. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,447 #5 August 26, 2011 QuoteUn-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists Federal Agencies are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #6 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteUn-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists Federal Agencies are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks? The feds wouldn't have moved on it had the goody-goody environmentalists not bitched!!! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #7 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteUn-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists Federal Agencies are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks? The feds wouldn't have moved on it had the goody-goody environmentalists not bitched!!! Chuck Cut the feds some slack ....they are using "Enviro-Bubble" to wrap up the confiscated "contraband". They certainly know better than to fall under the wrath of the enviro-nazis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #8 August 26, 2011 If it saves the life of just one sapling, it will have been worth it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteUn-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists Federal Agencies are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks? The feds wouldn't have moved on it had the goody-goody environmentalists not bitched!!! Chuck These goody-goody environmentalists ARE the feds now!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #10 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteUn-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists Federal Agencies are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks? The feds wouldn't have moved on it had the goody-goody environmentalists not bitched!!! Chuck These goody-goody environmentalists ARE the feds now! Not just "now"; they've been the feds even post-Clinton and pre-Obama. As I mentioned in another thread, former Republican Governor of New Jersey, Christine Todd Whitman, was Bush-II's head of the Environmental Protection Agency. When she tried to do her job and actually work to protect the environment, she was so hounded and marginalized by Bush Administration die-hards that she finally resigned in disgust. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #11 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteUn-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists Federal Agencies are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks? The feds wouldn't have moved on it had the goody-goody environmentalists not bitched!!! Chuck These goody-goody environmentalists ARE the feds now! Not just "now"; they've been the feds even post-Clinton and pre-Obama. As I mentioned in another thread, former Republican Governor of New Jersey, Christine Todd Whitman, was Bush-II's head of the Environmental Protection Agency. When she tried to do her job and actually work to protect the environment, she was so hounded and marginalized by Bush Administration die-hards that she finally resigned in disgust. I agree they have been in there a while So, do you support what the feds did to Gibson? BTY Bush is out of office"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,447 #12 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteUn-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists Federal Agencies are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks? The feds wouldn't have moved on it had the goody-goody environmentalists not bitched!!! Where does it say that?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #13 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteUn-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists Federal Agencies are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks? The feds wouldn't have moved on it had the goody-goody environmentalists not bitched!!! Chuck Cut the feds some slack ....they are using "Enviro-Bubble" to wrap up the confiscated "contraband". They certainly know better than to fall under the wrath of the enviro-nazis. If, they want their jobs they will! Is that the wrap that disolves when it gets wet? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #14 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteUn-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists Federal Agencies are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks? The feds wouldn't have moved on it had the goody-goody environmentalists not bitched!!! Chuck These goody-goody environmentalists ARE the feds now! As I'm learning! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #15 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteUn-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists Federal Agencies are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks? The feds wouldn't have moved on it had the goody-goody environmentalists not bitched!!! Where does it say that? That's the 'usual' way it works. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #16 August 26, 2011 I'm curious... this is not the first time the environmentalists have 'hit' Gibson. Do those folks really believe, a company as big as Gibson would illegally import various woods for their guitars and mandolins? Are the enviros looking for a huge, out-of-court settlement? Why arent these goody-goods chasing-down the people selling the wood? A lot of this just doesn't make sense. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 August 26, 2011 QuoteI'm curious... this is not the first time the environmentalists have 'hit' Gibson. Do those folks really believe, a company as big as Gibson would illegally import various woods for their guitars and mandolins? Are the enviros looking for a huge, out-of-court settlement? Why arent these goody-goods chasing-down the people selling the wood? A lot of this just doesn't make sense. Chuck I agree This is more like a politician sicking the IRS on a political enemy Or like the fed going after Microsoft"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #18 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteI'm curious... this is not the first time the environmentalists have 'hit' Gibson. Do those folks really believe, a company as big as Gibson would illegally import various woods for their guitars and mandolins? Are the enviros looking for a huge, out-of-court settlement? Why arent these goody-goods chasing-down the people selling the wood? A lot of this just doesn't make sense. Chuck I agree This is more like a politician sicking the IRS on a political enemy Or like the fed going after Microsoft I was clearing some old, fallen, dead, timber from my property, awhile back, when a neighbor stopped me as I was hauling the dead timber to the community 'brush pile'. He sternly told me how I had destroyed a habitat for some insect. I told him, those insects had just been evicted and how I didn't want that dead timber smoldering for days in the event of a fire! Where I live, there's plenty of dead, fallen timber. This is the impression I get of 'environmentalists! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,447 #19 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteUn-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists Federal Agencies are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks? The feds wouldn't have moved on it had the goody-goody environmentalists not bitched!!! Where does it say that? That's the 'usual' way it works. Is it? It's an old adage that you shouldn't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence, and government agencies don't usually need to be pressured into being pedantic arseholes. QuoteWhy arent these goody-goods chasing-down the people selling the wood? A lot of this just doesn't make sense. I don't think the Fish and Wildlife service have much jurisdiction over Madagascan and Indian rainforests. Makes perfect sense to me that they'd be policing what they can actually police.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #20 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteUn-be-freakin'-lievable! This situation really strengthens my belief that too many environmentalists Federal Agencies are nothing more than thugs and bullies. They have no idea of 'common sense'. What's next... guns with wooden stocks? Chop-sticks? The feds wouldn't have moved on it had the goody-goody environmentalists not bitched!!! Where does it say that? That's the 'usual' way it works. Is it? It's an old adage that you shouldn't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence, and government agencies don't usually need to be pressured into being pedantic arseholes. QuoteWhy arent these goody-goods chasing-down the people selling the wood? A lot of this just doesn't make sense. I don't think the Fish and Wildlife service have much jurisdiction over Madagascan and Indian rainforests. Makes perfect sense to me that they'd be policing what they can actually police. Aren't the enviros all over the world? Why aren't they 'policing' things in Madagasgar or wherever? Why are they just centered on a big U.S. musical instrument manufacturer? The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,447 #21 August 26, 2011 QuoteAren't the enviros all over the world? Why aren't they 'policing' things in Madagasgar or wherever? Why are they just centered on a big U.S. musical instrument manufacturer? Are you actually being serious?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #22 August 26, 2011 Quotedo you support what the feds did to Gibson? (Note: I'm a guitar player and a huge Gibson fan) I support unbiased, even-handed and fair enforcement of the law. If Gibson is being treated like anyone else, so be it. If Gibson's being unduly singled-out, I'd like to know why. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #23 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteAren't the enviros all over the world? Why aren't they 'policing' things in Madagasgar or wherever? Why are they just centered on a big U.S. musical instrument manufacturer? Are you actually being serious? You get the drift... Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #24 August 26, 2011 Quote Quote do you support what the feds did to Gibson? (Note: I'm a guitar player and a huge Gibson fan) I support unbiased, even-handed and fair enforcement of the law. If Gibson is being treated like anyone else, so be it. If Gibson's being unduly singled-out, I'd like to know why. Same here! I've been a big fan of Gibson guitars since I was a kid. The oldest Gibson I have is a 1965 B-25. A few years after getting it, I had the plastic bridge replaced with an ebony bridge by a luthier in Mesquite... what a difference! I just can't imagine Gibson, purchasing 'illegal' wood.Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,447 #25 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteAren't the enviros all over the world? Why aren't they 'policing' things in Madagasgar or wherever? Why are they just centered on a big U.S. musical instrument manufacturer? Are you actually being serious? You get the drift... You are being serious? Because honestly, if you actually think the only thing happening worldwide in the fight against illegal logging is that Gibson has had some fretboards confiscated by a federal agency acting on the whim of some vindictive anti-guitar environmentalist groups then I don't think it's even worth attempting a conversation.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
