DanJohnson 0 #26 July 14, 2011 Quote Quote LOL! Homophobic much? LOL! Yeah. I scare the living shit out of myself on a weekly basis. Oh .., Uhm.., well.., Just have your partner pack it back in before it's all the way out ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #27 July 14, 2011 QuoteGet government out of marriage. In the U.S., the government's been involved in marriage since before we were even a country. Why do you want to go redefining marriage? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #28 July 14, 2011 QuoteOh .., Uhm.., well.., Blush Just have your partner pack it back in before it's all the way out !Smile 1. Why did you assume I was homophobic and not afraid of left handed gingers instead? 2. I'm single 3. I'm not a guy and I really don't dig anal regardless.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #29 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuote When in front of an audience you swear an oath "till death do us part" that "I do" isn't just an indication of your pussywhippedness. It is also a legaly binding contract between you. Enforceable in court? Definitley! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,384 #30 July 14, 2011 >Just have your partner pack it back in before it's all the way out ! I'm thinking you may want to stop digging that hole you're in any deeper . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #31 July 14, 2011 [reply1. Why did you assume I was homophobic and not afraid of left handed gingers instead? Quote Cultural bias. 2. I'm single Quote I can't imagine why. 3. I'm not a guy and I really don't dig anal regardless. In response let me just compliment you on that Butch avatar! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #32 July 14, 2011 Quote >Just have your partner pack it back in before it's all the way out ! I'm thinking you may want to stop digging that hole you're in any deeper . . . Good advice if just a bit too late! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bqmassey 0 #33 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote When in front of an audience you swear an oath "till death do us part" that "I do" isn't just an indication of your pussywhippedness. It is also a legaly binding contract between you. Enforceable in court? Definitley! Hmm. Can you give me a modern example of a lawsuit in which common wedding vows were successfully upheld as the sole source of a legal obligation? I'm not attorney, so I definitely could be mistaken, but I'd be very surprised if that would make it in court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #34 July 14, 2011 QuoteHmm. Can you give me a modern example of a lawsuit in which common wedding vows were successfully upheld as the sole source of a legal obligation? I'm not attorney, so I definitely could be mistaken, but I'd be very surprised if that would make it in court. Dude, every divorce case is based on "common wedding vows". It is a promise. A contract. If the contract hadn't been violated there would be no divorce cases. OH .., one more thing, and this is important.., if you are even toying with the idea of getting married ... Don't Do It!!!!! It's a fools game with no benefit to the male entering the contract. If you are going to get married I hope you find fat women attractive.., because that skinny little rocknroll piece of ass at the altar will turn into a round disgusting fat body long before death do you part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 July 14, 2011 Quote Quote Oh .., Uhm.., well.., Blush Just have your partner pack it back in before it's all the way out !Smile 1. Why did you assume I was homophobic and not afraid of left handed gingers instead? 2. I'm single 3. I'm not a guy and I really don't dig anal regardless. Its that whole transferrence thing again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #36 July 14, 2011 I got married to my Norton chopper back in the 80's. We separated several times, but she always came back. What can I say? The bitch loves me. I did cheat on her with a 91 FLSTF for 11 years. She was really sweet and curvy. I thought about divorcing the Norton to marry the Harley, but never did. The Harley left me in 02. Well, I have been cheating on my Norton, once again, for a number of years with an 05 FLSTFI. Not really cheating as the Norton knows of the Harley. She doesn't seem to mind that I ride another bike. What I am wondering is would anyone think I was strange if I were married to two motorcycles? Is there any law against doing so?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #37 July 14, 2011 Quote Its that whole transferrence thing again.... Yeah, well... If I was a left-handed ginger I'd be in denial too. Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bqmassey 0 #38 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteHmm. Can you give me a modern example of a lawsuit in which common wedding vows were successfully upheld as the sole source of a legal obligation? I'm not attorney, so I definitely could be mistaken, but I'd be very surprised if that would make it in court. Dude, every divorce case is based on "common wedding vows". It is a promise. A contract. If the contract hadn't been violated there would be no divorce cases. First off, without obtaining a marriage license, is a marriage recognized and considered valid by the state? Can you get a divorce decree without ever having filed any type of paperwork with the government proving your marriage? I could be wrong, but I think most states won't consider you legally married until file for a marriage license. Secondly, if your example does work, it only works because there is a state definition of marriage. I'm considering a scenario in which the state does not define obligations involved with marriage. I'm sure that without a state definition of marriage, wedding vows would be considered an 'illusory promise', therefore not enforceable in court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #39 July 14, 2011 Quote Quote Hmm. Can you give me a modern example of a lawsuit in which common wedding vows were successfully upheld as the sole source of a legal obligation? I'm not attorney, so I definitely could be mistaken, but I'd be very surprised if that would make it in court. Dude, every divorce case is based on "common wedding vows". It is a promise. A contract. If the contract hadn't been violated there would be no divorce cases. OH .., one more thing, and this is important.., if you are even toying with the idea of getting married ... Don't Do It!!!!! It's a fools game with no benefit to the male entering the contract. If you are going to get married I hope you find fat women attractive.., because that skinny little rocknroll piece of ass at the altar will turn into a round disgusting fat body long before death do you part. Wedding vows does not make someone legally married, it's that license they get that does that. The only exception I know of to that is common law marriages. Another solution is to treat marriage for what it is, a legal contract, and get a prenup. This way if things change both parties already know what they will get should they disolve the marriage. Besides, love is what's important anyway. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #40 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteHmm. Can you give me a modern example of a lawsuit in which common wedding vows were successfully upheld as the sole source of a legal obligation? I'm not attorney, so I definitely could be mistaken, but I'd be very surprised if that would make it in court. Dude, every divorce case is based on "common wedding vows". It is a promise. A contract. If the contract hadn't been violated there would be no divorce cases. First off, without obtaining a marriage license, is a marriage recognized and considered valid by the state? Can you get a divorce decree without ever having filed any type of paperwork with the government proving your marriage? I could be wrong, but I think most states won't consider you legally married until file for a marriage license. Secondly, if your example does work, it only works because there is a state definition of marriage. I'm considering a scenario in which the state does not define obligations involved with marriage. I'm sure that without a state definition of marriage, wedding vows would be considered an 'illusory promise', therefore not enforceable in court. Dude.., You make a promise it is an oral contract. If a contract is broken either party of the contract can seek damages through the legal system. That's just the way it is. Private contract disputes are infront of the court system every day. If you or your future heffer to be violate your " private contract" where would you expect the contract dispute to be resolved? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #41 July 14, 2011 [replyWedding vows does not make someone legally married, it's that license they get that does that.Quote While you are correct that wedding vows don't make someone "legally" married, wedding vows are an enforceable oral contract. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bqmassey 0 #42 July 14, 2011 Quote Dude.., You make a promise it is an oral contract. If a contract is broken either party of the contract can seek damages through the legal system. That's just the way it is. Private contract disputes are infront of the court system every day. I square is always rectangle, but a rectangle is not always a square. I contract is a promise, but a promise is not always a (legally binding) contract. Right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #43 July 14, 2011 Quote Besides, love is what's important anyway. Oh, gag me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bqmassey 0 #44 July 14, 2011 Quoteoral contract. I could use one of those. QuoteWhile you are correct that wedding vows don't make someone "legally" married, wedding vows are an enforceable oral contract. I don't believe any wedding vows I've ever heard have been specific enough to be upheld in court. Again, I'd like to see a modern example of a case in which wedding vows (alone) were upheld as a contract without utilizing a state's definition of marriage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bolas 5 #45 July 14, 2011 Quote Quote Besides, love is what's important anyway. Oh, gag me. Tie ya down and beat ya too? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DanJohnson 0 #46 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuote Dude.., You make a promise it is an oral contract. If a contract is broken either party of the contract can seek damages through the legal system. That's just the way it is. Private contract disputes are infront of the court system every day. I square is always rectangle, but a rectangle is not always a square. I contract is a promise, but a promise is not always a (legally binding) contract. Right? Sorry, a promis is a legally binding oral contract unless entered into under duress Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bqmassey 0 #47 July 14, 2011 QuoteSorry, a promis is a legally binding oral contract unless entered into under duress Not if that promise is vague, impossible, or 'illusory'. Again, you could say that all valid contracts are promises, but you can't say that all promises are valid contracts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #48 July 14, 2011 QuoteSorry, a promis is a legally binding oral contract unless entered into under duress When was the last time a US court enforced one of these things: "To have and to hold" "To love and obey" "To cherish and honor through sickness and health, poverty or wealth until death do us part" All of those things are common oral promises given in religious marriage ceremonies. Are they enforced in divorce courts?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bolas 5 #49 July 14, 2011 Quote [replyWedding vows does not make someone legally married, it's that license they get that does that. Quote While you are correct that wedding vows don't make someone "legally" married, wedding vows are an enforceable oral contract. So when couples write their own vows, those are legally enforcable? "Your honor, as you can see in this video she said she'd tell me she loved me every day for the rest of her life. However, 6 months ago, there were 3 separate occasions where she did not. This nullified their marriage and therefore my client is not guilty of infidelity for sleeping with her best friend 2 months later." Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites champu 1 #50 July 14, 2011 Quote In response let me just compliment you on that Butch avatar! That's a nice FF3 she's got there... So... intentionally obtuse question: if marriage is a religious thing first and a state institution second, how many divorces involve a church in addition to a courtroom? Can you even do that? I mean, it's one thing to argue and file paperwork, but you just broke a promise to the [wo]man upstairs. Holy shit. It's my opinion that getting married in church and making a religious ceremony out of the whole ordeal is a feel-good, but essentially meaningless, exercise to the vast majority of heterosexual couples who do so. I think a lot of people in this country a) are Christian, b) go to church on Sundays, and c) treat marriage as a religious thing that you do in a church because that just seems to be what everyone else is doing and they don't want to go against the grain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 2 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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bqmassey 0 #42 July 14, 2011 Quote Dude.., You make a promise it is an oral contract. If a contract is broken either party of the contract can seek damages through the legal system. That's just the way it is. Private contract disputes are infront of the court system every day. I square is always rectangle, but a rectangle is not always a square. I contract is a promise, but a promise is not always a (legally binding) contract. Right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #43 July 14, 2011 Quote Besides, love is what's important anyway. Oh, gag me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bqmassey 0 #44 July 14, 2011 Quoteoral contract. I could use one of those. QuoteWhile you are correct that wedding vows don't make someone "legally" married, wedding vows are an enforceable oral contract. I don't believe any wedding vows I've ever heard have been specific enough to be upheld in court. Again, I'd like to see a modern example of a case in which wedding vows (alone) were upheld as a contract without utilizing a state's definition of marriage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #45 July 14, 2011 Quote Quote Besides, love is what's important anyway. Oh, gag me. Tie ya down and beat ya too? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #46 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuote Dude.., You make a promise it is an oral contract. If a contract is broken either party of the contract can seek damages through the legal system. That's just the way it is. Private contract disputes are infront of the court system every day. I square is always rectangle, but a rectangle is not always a square. I contract is a promise, but a promise is not always a (legally binding) contract. Right? Sorry, a promis is a legally binding oral contract unless entered into under duress Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bqmassey 0 #47 July 14, 2011 QuoteSorry, a promis is a legally binding oral contract unless entered into under duress Not if that promise is vague, impossible, or 'illusory'. Again, you could say that all valid contracts are promises, but you can't say that all promises are valid contracts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #48 July 14, 2011 QuoteSorry, a promis is a legally binding oral contract unless entered into under duress When was the last time a US court enforced one of these things: "To have and to hold" "To love and obey" "To cherish and honor through sickness and health, poverty or wealth until death do us part" All of those things are common oral promises given in religious marriage ceremonies. Are they enforced in divorce courts?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #49 July 14, 2011 Quote [replyWedding vows does not make someone legally married, it's that license they get that does that. Quote While you are correct that wedding vows don't make someone "legally" married, wedding vows are an enforceable oral contract. So when couples write their own vows, those are legally enforcable? "Your honor, as you can see in this video she said she'd tell me she loved me every day for the rest of her life. However, 6 months ago, there were 3 separate occasions where she did not. This nullified their marriage and therefore my client is not guilty of infidelity for sleeping with her best friend 2 months later." Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #50 July 14, 2011 Quote In response let me just compliment you on that Butch avatar! That's a nice FF3 she's got there... So... intentionally obtuse question: if marriage is a religious thing first and a state institution second, how many divorces involve a church in addition to a courtroom? Can you even do that? I mean, it's one thing to argue and file paperwork, but you just broke a promise to the [wo]man upstairs. Holy shit. It's my opinion that getting married in church and making a religious ceremony out of the whole ordeal is a feel-good, but essentially meaningless, exercise to the vast majority of heterosexual couples who do so. I think a lot of people in this country a) are Christian, b) go to church on Sundays, and c) treat marriage as a religious thing that you do in a church because that just seems to be what everyone else is doing and they don't want to go against the grain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
