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It's my opinion that getting married in church and making a religious ceremony out of the whole ordeal is a feel-good, but essentially meaningless, exercise to the vast majority of heterosexual couples who do so. I think a lot of people in this country a) are Christian, b) go to church on Sundays, and c) treat marriage as a religious thing that you do in a church because that just seems to be what everyone else is doing and they don't want to go against the grain.



Most girls grow up fantasizing over white dresses, bridesmaids, a man in a tux, and "I do". It's tradition, and it's perpetuated by fairy tales and bad romantic comedies. Certainly some couples still find meaning in the religious ceremony, but I'd guess it's not the majority.

But to bring the topic back, why in the hell should the government have a right to ordain a marriage. Let's keep the religious side and the legal side separate, like it should be. It's none of the state's business.

The nation constantly argues what the government definition of marriage should be, when there's no damn reason to have a definition at all!

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So... intentionally obtuse question: if marriage is a religious thing first and a state institution second, how many divorces involve a church in addition to a courtroom? Can you even do that? I mean, it's one thing to argue and file paperwork, but you just broke a promise to the [wo]man upstairs. Holy shit.



Didn't he bang an underage virgin that squirted out an illegitimate kid? Seems to me that this God feller wasn't all to worried about any nuptial. Why would he give a shit or two about anyone else?
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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Sorry, a promis is a legally binding oral contract unless entered into under duress



When was the last time a US court enforced one of these things:

"To have and to hold"

"To love and obey"

"To cherish and honor through sickness and health, poverty or wealth until death do us part"

All of those things are common oral promises given in religious marriage ceremonies. Are they enforced in divorce courts?



Not US court but State court would normaly be the venue for a breech of promise(contract) dispute.
Oh!.., and today would have been the last time.

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[replyWedding vows does not make someone legally married, it's that license they get that does that.

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While you are correct that wedding vows don't make someone "legally" married, wedding vows are an enforceable oral contract.



So when couples write their own vows, those are legally enforcable? ;)

Yes.

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In response let me just compliment you on that Butch avatar!;)



That's a nice FF3 she's got there...

So... intentionally obtuse question: if marriage is a religious thing first and a state institution second, how many divorces involve a church in addition to a courtroom? Can you even do that? I mean, it's one thing to argue and file paperwork, but you just broke a promise to the [wo]man upstairs. Holy shit.

It's my opinion that getting married in church and making a religious ceremony out of the whole ordeal is a feel-good, but essentially meaningless, exercise to the vast majority of heterosexual couples who do so. I think a lot of people in this country a) are Christian, b) go to church on Sundays, and c) treat marriage as a religious thing that you do in a church because that just seems to be what everyone else is doing and they don't want to go against the grain.


Actually going to the church to get married is a tradition encouraged by priests who gain Lira by participating in this "sacrement".

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[replyDidn't he bang an underage virgin that squirted out an illegitimate kid? Seems to me that this God feller wasn't all to worried about any nuptial. Why would he give a shit or two about anyone else?



I see your point , freethefly.
You are right! The Bible does suggest that Mary concieved Gods' child without benefit of marriage.

But this thread isn't about illicit relationships between Biblical charachters.(I'm sorry)
This thread is about polygamy and heterosexual marriages.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion of polygamy and homosexual marriages, freethefly?
If not I'm sure we'll have a discussion of the virgin birth in the next few days.
Watch for a thread title something like " Virgin Birth" and then you can chime in !
But thanks for reading and gosh darn.., just being you and part of the group!

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[replyDidn't he bang an underage virgin that squirted out an illegitimate kid? Seems to me that this God feller wasn't all to worried about any nuptial. Why would he give a shit or two about anyone else?



I see your point , freethefly.
You are right! The Bible does suggest that Mary concieved Gods' child without benefit of marriage.

But this thread isn't about illicit relationships between Biblical charachters.(I'm sorry)
This thread is about polygamy and heterosexual marriages.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion of polygamy and homosexual marriages, freethefly?
If not I'm sure we'll have a discussion of the virgin birth in the next few days.
Watch for a thread title something like " Virgin Birth" and then you can chime in !
But thanks for reading and gosh darn.., just being you and part of the group!



Golly gee willikers, Mr. Dan, I guess maybe you are right! But I have been known to be wrong from time to time and I do believe that this may be one of those times! Yet seeing that you are new to this website (recently registered July 4th, or maybe just a new persona as I suspect you may have been banned recently) you really do not know me.

My take on polygamy? Marry all the women you want. Hell, I've had a number of wives, but never been married. I also have two daughters from different women. Never seen a need to be married. Most marriages end in divorce anyways. Why go through the hassle? Besides, why take the chance at losing at my motorcycles and everything else with a divorce? A polygamist divorce would be a nightmare compared to divorcing just one woman!
The gay marriage? They can do whatever they want. Whatever they do does not concern me at all.

Well gosh diddly do Danny boy, chief of the thread police, did that satisfy your highly tuned intellectual curiosity as to whether or not I had anything to add?
Thank you just for being the many different persona's you have been over the last year or so! You are so jokingly entertaining.
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Well gosh diddly do Danny boy, chief of the thread police, did that satisfy your highly tuned intellectual curiosity as to whether or not I had anything to add?
Thank you just for being the many different persona's you have been over the last year or so! You are so jokingly entertaining.



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OK that's a lie!

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Marriage has almost always been defined throughout history as a union between one man and one woman



I don't think that is true. I think polygamy has a lot more history and is still quite popular and legal in quite a few regions (Africa and Islamic countries).

Consenting adults should be allowed to do what they like.

1 husband and many wives or 1 wife and many husbands (she might be a collector:ph34r:), or guys or gals it doesn't matter.
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There is no increased chance of genetic mutation in say a brother / sister pair.



Genetic mutation isn't the issue of concern. The fact that they have a much higher likelihood of possessing and passing on negative recessive genetic traits is the issue.

No, they don't. That's what I'm saying. If say, the brother sister pair each have a recessive negative gene, they have their children have the same chance of being AA, Aa, aa (25/50/25) as any other general population couple with the same traits. If two perfectly genetically healthy siblings have kids, their kids will not have any negative genetic traits that were passed down, just like a couple from the general population. And again, if we're going to exclude one set of people because they might pass down bad DNA, why not make the ban across all people? Blood tests would just be a requirement to get a license, quick and easy at that.
You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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I got married to my Norton chopper back in the 80's. We separated several times, but she always came back. What can I say? The bitch loves me. I did cheat on her with a 91 FLSTF for 11 years. She was really sweet and curvy. I thought about divorcing the Norton to marry the Harley, but never did. The Harley left me in 02. Well, I have been cheating on my Norton, once again, for a number of years with an 05 FLSTFI. Not really cheating as the Norton knows of the Harley. She doesn't seem to mind that I ride another bike. What I am wondering is would anyone think I was strange if I were married to two motorcycles? Is there any law against doing so?



My 05 FLSTFI got pretty pissed off when I came home with the 09 FLSTF :)
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Marriage has almost always been defined throughout history as a union between one man and one woman.

Lately, there has been a trend towards legalizing homosexual marriages, whereby a union can be recognized between two men or two women.

So with all this redefining of marriage going on, isn't it time to also legalize polygamy - a union between multiple partners?

If two homosexuals can marry each other, why can't one man have a marriage with two women? This is already a recognized practice in many parts of the world. Who is the government to tell willing adults what kind of marriage vows they should be allowed to enter into? As long as everyone is a willing partner, it seems to me that the door has been opened, and it should be just about "anything goes" now. I say it's time to legalize polygamy.



Polygamy like you said is widely accepted in many places around the world and I see no reason why it should be illegal.
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Its that whole transferrence thing again....



Yeah, well... If I was a left-handed ginger I'd be in denial too.
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WHAT"S WRONG WITH BEING A SINISTER GINGER?!?!?!

I'm not in denial about it, I embrace it. (like I have a choice)

I don't dress that well or go to the gym. but if you keep this up, I'm going to consider it a PA.





















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Marriage has almost always been defined throughout history as a union between one man and one woman.

Lately, there has been a trend towards legalizing homosexual marriages, whereby a union can be recognized between two men or two women.

So with all this redefining of marriage going on, isn't it time to also legalize polygamy - a union between multiple partners?

If two homosexuals can marry each other, why can't one man have a marriage with two women? This is already a recognized practice in many parts of the world. Who is the government to tell willing adults what kind of marriage vows they should be allowed to enter into? As long as everyone is a willing partner, it seems to me that the door has been opened, and it should be just about "anything goes" now. I say it's time to legalize polygamy.



Ignorance is NOT bliss...
Especially WILLFUL ignorance.

Marriage has NOT almost always been defined throughout history as one man one woman. That is an ignorant construct marketed by RWCs to the gullible.

The Bible has plenty of stories of polygamous relations. The ancient Greeks had homosexual relationships that were recognized by their governments. There are parts of the world, for example, Africa, where polygamous relationships are the norm. The house of Saud, aka, the folks that run Saudi Arabia, are polygamous.

In the USA, marriage is between two people, at least in the civilized parts.

Polygamy is not a relationship model that has been recognized or approved of by USA society or the USA legal system. The folks that are interested in polygamous relationships are free to have them. If they would like legal and social approval, they are free to pursue that.
The people on the Big Love TV show are suing to allow polygamous relationships to be legal. That is how the system here works. If they can come up with a compelling legal argument, they might win, if the judge is NOT a right wing activist.

Homosexuals should be allowed to marry the person of their choice. That are entitled to be as miserable as the rest of the people who get married. With a divorce rate of ~50%, it is clear that respect for the institution of marriage is rather limited.

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It seems far too many people can not abide with other people being able to do things that they themselves are not interested in.. A friend posted this... just something to think about for those who are so fucking adamant about their second amendment rights and taking away the rights of others to persue happiness.

Don't like gay marriages? Don't get one.. Don't like cigarettes ? Don't smoke them.. Don't like abortions? Don't have one.. Don't like sex? Don't do it.. Don't like drugs? Don't take them.. Don't like porn? Don't watch it.. Don't like alcohol? Don't drink it.. Don't like guns? Don't buy one.. Don't like your rights taken away??? Don't take away someone else's.

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God defined marriage in the beginning as an intimate relationship between one man and one woman (actually with the intent of displaying what a relationship with Christ should be like). What man has done with it (even as described throughout the historical accounts in the Bible) is another story. Man may change his definitition of marriage...but God has not.

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if we're going to exclude one set of people because they might pass down bad DNA, why not make the ban across all people? Blood tests would just be a requirement to get a license, quick and easy at that.



It doesn't take a blood test to identify many genetic defects. They can be quite visually obvious. Since we don't exclude such people from reproducing, why exclude blood relatives?
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