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JohnRich 4
QuoteGotta give the defense credit. They didn't have to prove an accidental drowning, just plant a seed of doubt and let the prosecution water it enough to grow, which they did.
The theory that the defense was proposing was that it was an accidental drowning, and then Dad came along and helped hide the body to protect his daughter from charges that she was an unfit mother for not supervising the child more closely.
I don't buy that theory. The father was a former police detective. He would know that covering up a death would just be discovered, and make you look guilty of murder. While accidents happen all the time, with no charges being filed. A police detective would not choose to cover-up an innocent accidental death.
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Personally, I don't see why all the hoo-ha about this.
Sure, it's a sad event and no child should have to worry about death, but it happens every day.
I get pissed off when stories become a hot-topic and are all over the media and people's mouths because it was a pretty lil white girl who died. That's not to say that it's any less of a tragedy, but in poor communities children and even toddlers are raped and murdered by their parents all the time and yet you hardly hear a word about these cases. But when it's a suburban family suddenly the case becomes more news-worthy?
It was a global news story and yet this is an every day occurrence in different demographics and different countries.
Guess I'm pissed off partially at the media because they will jump on a case of a white suburban mother who kills her child but they won't even do a 10 second report on the drug dealer who murdered his child. And secondly at people in general who go crazy about this trial and the results and yet pay no attention to all the other incidents that happen outside of their neighbourhoods. A child's death should be equally tragic, regardless of the circumstances or what colour or income the parents had.
Rant over.
Here's a quote from the Sate Attorney in Orlando."Tomorrow, Lamar said that his homicide teams will return to work on the county's 140 pending murder cases – 11 of which are child murders.
You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early!
rehmwa 2
I'm mostly amazed at all the armchair jurors that just plain 'know' she's guilty. That and all the outraged and veiled remote threats and self-righteousness
If they have any evidence (other than emotional response and impressions and remote outrage), real evidence, they are remiss to not provide it to the case. Else it's just posturing and faux shockface nonsense.
I think it's just a media circus - Meso stated it right (even without the tired old stock racial card version) - tragedies happen all the time, most people wouldn't care if it wasn't front and center in the major media outlets making $$$ off of it.
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If they have any evidence (other than emotional response and impressions and remote outrage), real evidence, they are remiss to not provide it to the case. Else it's just posturing and faux shockface nonsense.
I think it's just a media circus - Meso stated it right (even without the tired old stock racial card version) - tragedies happen all the time, most people wouldn't care if it wasn't front and center in the major media outlets making $$$ off of it.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Coreece 189
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Personally, I don't see why all the hoo-ha about this.
Sure, it's a sad event and no child should have to worry about death, but it happens every day.
I get pissed off when stories become a hot-topic and are all over the media and people's mouths because it was a pretty lil white girl who died. That's not to say that it's any less of a tragedy, but in poor communities children and even toddlers are raped and murdered by their parents all the time and yet you hardly hear a word about these cases. But when it's a suburban family suddenly the case becomes more news-worthy?
It was a global news story and yet this is an every day occurrence in different demographics and different countries.
Guess I'm pissed off partially at the media because they will jump on a case of a white suburban mother who kills her child but they won't even do a 10 second report on the drug dealer who murdered his child. And secondly at people in general who go crazy about this trial and the results and yet pay no attention to all the other incidents that happen outside of their neighbourhoods. A child's death should be equally tragic, regardless of the circumstances or what colour or income the parents had.
Rant over.
But what do you think would happen if only the poor inner city blacks got all the negative press?
Personally I just look at these cases as representeing the skeletons of society in general, regardless of demographics.
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muff528 3
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Personally, I don't see why all the hoo-ha about this.
Sure, it's a sad event and no child should have to worry about death, but it happens every day.
I get pissed off when stories become a hot-topic and are all over the media and people's mouths because it was a pretty lil white girl who died. That's not to say that it's any less of a tragedy, but in poor communities children and even toddlers are raped and murdered by their parents all the time and yet you hardly hear a word about these cases. But when it's a suburban family suddenly the case becomes more news-worthy?
It was a global news story and yet this is an every day occurrence in different demographics and different countries.
Guess I'm pissed off partially at the media because they will jump on a case of a white suburban mother who kills her child but they won't even do a 10 second report on the drug dealer who murdered his child. And secondly at people in general who go crazy about this trial and the results and yet pay no attention to all the other incidents that happen outside of their neighbourhoods. A child's death should be equally tragic, regardless of the circumstances or what colour or income the parents had.
Rant over.
I wondered how long it would take for a racially-skewed post like this to show up. But I have to admit that I was expecting an angle more like "only a pretty white girl accused of murdering her child makes global news but if it was in any other culture it would go unnoticed." Or "only an attractive white mom could get away with murdering her kid". I didn't consider that the race or "cuteness" of the victim would cause such a response.
But I think this got world attention because this kid's trusted protector (who was accused of killing her whether by accident or intention) drove around with her baby's rotting body in her car. Then this callous, self-indulgent, self-destructive, sociopath (IMO) finally discarded her daughter's carcass in the woods to finish decomposing. And, while all this was happening she was partying her ass off while she wove an intricate and convoluted "story" to try to delay the discovery as long as possible and then, when found out, tried to implicate her parents in the death. I don't think the story would have gathered any less interest if their race was any different. Coreece also makes a good point that if they were of another ethnicity then the racialists would be complaining about negative press and the story being blown out of proportion. Can't win with you guys.
The uproar over the Not Guilty verdict in the Casey Anthony trial is due to what I call the Nancy Grace Effect. Grace made the death of Caylee Anthony her cause célèbre and then other network talking heads jumped on the bandwagon. Their motivation was their rating battles and this caused a media feeding frenzy. This trial had nothing to do with the justice they publically espoused and everything to do with advertising revenues and personal fame for these tabloid news reporters.
Suddenly the Florida Attorney Generals Office was under a huge amount of public pressure to prosecute Casey Anthony. So much pressure that they rushed to court with a weak case and lost. It’s possible that if the Florida AG Office took more time they could have developed conclusive evidence. On the other hand, it is also possible that Casey Anthony is truly innocent of the murder charges and was simply convicted in the court of public opinion.
The bottom line is that the US Legal System has been vindicated again. Without sufficient evidence a person will be found innocent, despite what everyone thinks they know in their heart to be true. Our legal system is based on factual evidence, not on theories spun by tabloid pundits. This should be a lesson to those in the public who seem to want their McJustice served up at the drive thru window by Nancy Grace and friends.
Suddenly the Florida Attorney Generals Office was under a huge amount of public pressure to prosecute Casey Anthony. So much pressure that they rushed to court with a weak case and lost. It’s possible that if the Florida AG Office took more time they could have developed conclusive evidence. On the other hand, it is also possible that Casey Anthony is truly innocent of the murder charges and was simply convicted in the court of public opinion.
The bottom line is that the US Legal System has been vindicated again. Without sufficient evidence a person will be found innocent, despite what everyone thinks they know in their heart to be true. Our legal system is based on factual evidence, not on theories spun by tabloid pundits. This should be a lesson to those in the public who seem to want their McJustice served up at the drive thru window by Nancy Grace and friends.
DanG 1
Can you name the last black or Hispanic celebrity murder victim?
I'm guessing you can't because there aren't any. On the other hand, the media jumps all over Caley Anthony, Jon Benet Ramsey, Natalee Holloway, Elizabeth Smart, etc. If you don't see that race plays a role in media coverage of murder cases, it's because you don't want to.
- Dan G
I'm guessing you can't because there aren't any. On the other hand, the media jumps all over Caley Anthony, Jon Benet Ramsey, Natalee Holloway, Elizabeth Smart, etc. If you don't see that race plays a role in media coverage of murder cases, it's because you don't want to.
- Dan G
skymama 35
I just saw the prosecuting attorney, Jeff Ashton, on "The View". They asked him why he thought this case was such a big deal. His theory is because at the time of Caley's death, there was another child, Trenton Duckett, missing from our area that also caused a bunch of hoopla. Trenton's mother ended up committing suicide just two weeks after he went missing and Trenton has yet to be found. So, since no one could question Trenton's mother any more, but they could investigate Casey about Caley's death, the media and public zeroed in on her.
She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man,
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon
rehmwa 2
QuoteCan you name the last black or Hispanic celebrity murder victim?
I'm more concerned about why Meso finds black children unattractive.....
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muff528 3
QuoteCan you name the last black or Hispanic celebrity murder victim?
I'm guessing you can't because there aren't any. On the other hand, the media jumps all over Caley Anthony, Jon Benet Ramsey, Natalee Holloway, Elizabeth Smart, etc. If you don't see that race plays a role in media coverage of murder cases, it's because you don't want to.
Celebrities just off the top of my head: Tupac, Selena,
Edit to correct error. I don't think 50-cent is dead.
muff528 3
QuoteI just saw the prosecuting attorney, Jeff Ashton, on "The View". They asked him why he thought this case was such a big deal. His theory is because at the time of Caley's death, there was another child, Trenton Duckett, missing from our area that also caused a bunch of hoopla. Trenton's mother ended up committing suicide just two weeks after he went missing and Trenton has yet to be found. So, since no one could question Trenton's mother any more, but they could investigate Casey about Caley's death, the media and public zeroed in on her.
But the Trenton Duckett case shouldn't have brought so much media attention, especially from the likes of Nancy Grace ...he was(?) Asian!
DanG 1
I meant people who became celebrities because they were murdered. The people you named were already celebrities. Face it, murder a pretty white girl and the case will be national news. The same can't be said for non-whites.
BTW, 50 Cent it still alive, and today happens to be his birthday.
- Dan G
BTW, 50 Cent it still alive, and today happens to be his birthday.
- Dan G
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Oh Well... just look at it this way.... Nancy Grace's blood pressure just went into overload..... as she is having a hissy fit and birthin a COW
I am pretty sure she is upset she did not manage to get this one to commit suicide too
I miss the "Boston Legal" character who parodied Nancy Grace.
I believe, that character was 'Gracie Grace'!?
Chuck
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Oh Well... just look at it this way.... Nancy Grace's blood pressure just went into overload..... as she is having a hissy fit and birthin a COW
I am pretty sure she is upset she did not manage to get this one to commit suicide too
I miss the "Boston Legal" character who parodied Nancy Grace.
I believe, that character was 'Gracie Grace'!?
Chuck
Gracie Jane, IIRC. Funny thing was I hadn't heard of Nancy Grace. Then when I looked up some YouTube clips to see who she was, I was ROTFLMAO watching the *real* one.
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chuckakers 369
QuoteQuoteI predict she'll be free in a year, then she'll get pregnant again, and we'll all spend much time worrying about the fate of her next child...
Some might, John. I won't.
Huh? Do you mean you would have no reservations about Casey's abilities as a loving mother and would not fear for the well-being of another baby from her? You think she's innocent of any wrong-doing?
Not at all. I'm just saying I won't be worrying.
And on your question, I'm not saying that Casey didn't do anything wrong. It's pretty obvious that she knows a buttload more than she told authorities, but it's big leap to say that because she lied to the cops and kept quiet about Caylee's disappearance that she therefore must have committed murder.
I think everyone that has said and especially those still saying Casey killed Caylee are talking out of their asses. There are an infinite number of other possibilities on how that little girl died and who killed her than the automatic assumption that Casey did it.
Casey is a clearly an odd woman. Odd enough to be head over heals in love with a boyfriend (or perceived boyfriend) and to cover for him after he accidentally killed the baby showing Casey how to knock a kid out with chloroform so she could go party.
How about Dad? Could he have killed the kid? He certainly had easy access to the child. Or Mom? She called 911 to say her car smelled like a dead body and that Casey wasn't coming forward with information about Caylee being missing. That would sure be a great way to point the finger at Casey.
Crazy ideas? Maybe, but no more crazy than a mother committing the same crime.
And oddly, mom and dad blew out of the courtroom the very moment Casey was declared not guilty of killing Caylee, and as of this writing their lawyer says they haven't spoken to Casey since the verdict came in. That is more than weird. One would think they would be elated with the verdict and anxious to talk to her.
And it is definitely a possibility - and in my opinion, probability - that Caylee's death was an accident of some sort (as in the chloroform example) and that a murder was staged to cover for the negligence.
Everyone that knows Casey said she was an excellent mother and very loving and responsible and her parents were very involved in the child's life, so killing the kid just to be free to party at will doesn't make any sense.
I spent a few years as a military police investigator and one of the primary principals in that line of work is to assume nothing and rule nothing out that isn't otherwise disproved through physical evidence. I think it is very short-sighted to say Casey committed murder given the lack of physical evidence to prove it.
What bothers me most is that many of the people claiming she's guilty would have the exact opposite position if they or a loved one was at the defendant's table.
Chuck Akers
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chuckakers 369
QuoteWhat good does proving your case do if the jury nullifies it?
That's my point. They didn't prove it or there would have been a guilty verdict.
All it took to free the defendant was reasonable doubt, and the jury obviously had that.
Chuck Akers
D-10855
Houston, TX
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muff528 3
QuoteI meant people who became celebrities because they were murdered. The people you named were already celebrities. Face it, murder a pretty white girl and the case will be national news. The same can't be said for non-whites.
BTW, 50 Cent it still alive, and today happens to be his birthday.
Medger Evers, Emmett Till, Addie Mae Collins, Denise McNair, Carole Robertson, Cynthia Wesley. OK, I had to look up the girls' names but I won't remember Caylee Anthony's name in
Yeah, I confused Mr. Cent with Mr. Small. Sorry!
chuckakers 369
QuoteQuoteGotta give the defense credit. They didn't have to prove an accidental drowning, just plant a seed of doubt and let the prosecution water it enough to grow, which they did.
The theory that the defense was proposing was that it was an accidental drowning, and then Dad came along and helped hide the body to protect his daughter from charges that she was an unfit mother for not supervising the child more closely.
I don't buy that theory. The father was a former police detective. He would know that covering up a death would just be discovered, and make you look guilty of murder. While accidents happen all the time, with no charges being filed. A police detective would not choose to cover-up an innocent accidental death.
I would disagree with you on that one, John. A police investigator is exactly the kind of person to do that, because they would know how to. Moreover, the fact that the verdict was not guilty tells me that if it was a staged murder it was done very well.
Chuck Akers
D-10855
Houston, TX
D-10855
Houston, TX
chuckakers 369
QuoteThe uproar over the Not Guilty verdict in the Casey Anthony trial is due to what I call the Nancy Grace Effect. Grace made the death of Caylee Anthony her cause célèbre and then other network talking heads jumped on the bandwagon. Their motivation was their rating battles and this caused a media feeding frenzy. This trial had nothing to do with the justice they publically espoused and everything to do with advertising revenues and personal fame for these tabloid news reporters.
Suddenly the Florida Attorney Generals Office was under a huge amount of public pressure to prosecute Casey Anthony. So much pressure that they rushed to court with a weak case and lost. It’s possible that if the Florida AG Office took more time they could have developed conclusive evidence. On the other hand, it is also possible that Casey Anthony is truly innocent of the murder charges and was simply convicted in the court of public opinion.
The bottom line is that the US Legal System has been vindicated again. Without sufficient evidence a person will be found innocent, despite what everyone thinks they know in their heart to be true. Our legal system is based on factual evidence, not on theories spun by tabloid pundits. This should be a lesson to those in the public who seem to want their McJustice served up at the drive thru window by Nancy Grace and friends.
Not sure about the Nancy Grace effect, but for sure the justice system worked as designed - even if people think the verdict was wrong.
Chuck Akers
D-10855
Houston, TX
D-10855
Houston, TX
JohnRich 4
QuoteQuoteQuoteI predict she'll be free in a year, then she'll get pregnant again, and we'll all spend much time worrying about the fate of her next child...
Some might, John. I won't.
Huh? Do you mean you would have no reservations about Casey's abilities as a loving mother and would not fear for the well-being of another baby from her? You think she's innocent of any wrong-doing?
Not at all. I'm just saying I won't be worrying.
I can understand someone not caring about Casey, the mom. But any future children of hers inherit no such guilt, in whatever manner Casey deserves. And since there is plenty of doubt as to wheter or not she is truly innocent of murder, or of using cholorform on her child, then I think it's legitimate to be concerned about the well-being of any future children of hers. And you seem to be saying that you just don't care... That's very cold-hearted.
JohnRich 4
QuoteQuoteThe theory that the defense was proposing was that it was an accidental drowning, and then Dad came along and helped hide the body to protect his daughter from charges that she was an unfit mother for not supervising the child more closely.
I don't buy that theory. The father was a former police detective. He would know that covering up a death would just be discovered, and make you look guilty of murder. While accidents happen all the time, with no charges being filed. A police detective would not choose to cover-up an innocent accidental death.
I would disagree with you on that one, John. A police investigator is exactly the kind of person to do that, because they would know how to.
Yet the remains were found just lying in the woods on the ground. Why didn't he bury them? For someone who supposedly knew how to cover-up a murder, he didn't do a very good job of it.
DanG 1
We're talking about two different things. I'm talking about the modern American media. They only cover non-celebrity murders of white people, and almost exclusively young, white, females.
The fact that the only examples you could come up with were blacks killed half a century ago because they were black only serves to illustrate my point. There is no coverage of non-celebrity, non-white murders in the national media, and certainly no coverage to the extent we see with the PWG (pretty white girl) case du jour.
- Dan G
The fact that the only examples you could come up with were blacks killed half a century ago because they were black only serves to illustrate my point. There is no coverage of non-celebrity, non-white murders in the national media, and certainly no coverage to the extent we see with the PWG (pretty white girl) case du jour.
- Dan G
billvon 2,380
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>I think it's legitimate to be concerned about the well-being of any future
>children of hers. And you seem to be saying that you just don't care...
>That's very cold-hearted.
Not something I worry much about, either. And I doubt you would if you hadn't seen it on TV. There are far more kids out there than you see on TV on high publicity murder cases, and between the kids in my family, the kids of my friends and the kids I work with in local schools I have plenty to worry about as it is.
>children of hers. And you seem to be saying that you just don't care...
>That's very cold-hearted.
Not something I worry much about, either. And I doubt you would if you hadn't seen it on TV. There are far more kids out there than you see on TV on high publicity murder cases, and between the kids in my family, the kids of my friends and the kids I work with in local schools I have plenty to worry about as it is.
You guys cut it out. Your one warning. ***
I have no sense of humor this time of the morning these days... but that right there got me smiling!
Roy
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