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I'm not changing the rules. I trying to get you to see my point.
I suppose it is possible that only white mothers murder their daughters and try to cover it up (Casey Anthony). I suppose it is possible that only white women get killed on vacation (Natalee Holloway), or while jogging (Chanrda Levy). I suppose it's possible that only little white girls get murdered in their homes and the cases are never solved (Jon Benet Ramsey). Or perhaps these things happen to people of all races and genders, but the media only covers the white female victims.
I can't think of any cases of black boys being murdered that should have made national media news, but that's a symptom of the problem, not a counterpoint. Do you believe that no young black boys have been murdered by their parents in America in the last ten years?
- Dan G
I suppose it is possible that only white mothers murder their daughters and try to cover it up (Casey Anthony). I suppose it is possible that only white women get killed on vacation (Natalee Holloway), or while jogging (Chanrda Levy). I suppose it's possible that only little white girls get murdered in their homes and the cases are never solved (Jon Benet Ramsey). Or perhaps these things happen to people of all races and genders, but the media only covers the white female victims.
I can't think of any cases of black boys being murdered that should have made national media news, but that's a symptom of the problem, not a counterpoint. Do you believe that no young black boys have been murdered by their parents in America in the last ten years?
- Dan G
normiss 723
The Atlanta Child murders come to mind???
Seemed that it was all over the news.
Seemed that it was all over the news.
DanG 1
Not bad, of course that was 30 years ago, and was a case of a serial killer, not a run of the mill dead kid. Now name a victim, without Googling, please.
- Dan G
- Dan G
Bolas 5
QuoteI'm not changing the rules. I trying to get you to see my point.
I suppose it is possible that only white mothers murder their daughters and try to cover it up (Casey Anthony). I suppose it is possible that only white women get killed on vacation (Natalee Holloway), or while jogging (Chanrda Levy). I suppose it's possible that only little white girls get murdered in their homes and the cases are never solved (Jon Benet Ramsey). Or perhaps these things happen to people of all races and genders, but the media only covers the white female victims.
I can't think of any cases of black boys being murdered that should have made national media news, but that's a symptom of the problem, not a counterpoint. Do you believe that no young black boys have been murdered by their parents in America in the last ten years?
For something to be news, it has to stand out in some way: location, circumstances, people involved, etc.
The same way that a murder in a small town may make national headlines while a multiple murder in a big city might not.
Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
chuckakers 417
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe theory that the defense was proposing was that it was an accidental drowning, and then Dad came along and helped hide the body to protect his daughter from charges that she was an unfit mother for not supervising the child more closely.
I don't buy that theory. The father was a former police detective. He would know that covering up a death would just be discovered, and make you look guilty of murder. While accidents happen all the time, with no charges being filed. A police detective would not choose to cover-up an innocent accidental death.
I would disagree with you on that one, John. A police investigator is exactly the kind of person to do that, because they would know how to.
Yet the remains were found just lying in the woods on the ground. Why didn't he bury them? For someone who supposedly knew how to cover-up a murder, he didn't do a very good job of it.
Assuming dad did stage a murder, he wasn't covering it up, he was creating it. And if he did, he wasn't likely covering up an innocent accidental death as you said. That would be unnecessary of course. If he staged a murder it was to cover up something that could have sent someone to jail - like an accidental chloroform overdose.
Additionally, the body was found in a swampy area that had been under standing water for an extended period (that's why it wasn't found during an earlier search of the area). Being under water would break the body tissue down rapidly, destroying evidence along the way and permanently changing or destroying any chemical compounds in the body.
I'm not convinced dad had anything to do with it, but there have been many cases of cops staging crimes, so it wouldn't be a stretch to believe he did.
Chuck Akers
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normiss 723
Uncle! 
That was the only incident I can recall. Ever. 
muff528 3
QuoteI'm not changing the rules. I trying to get you to see my point.
I suppose it is possible that only white mothers murder their daughters and try to cover it up (Casey Anthony). I suppose it is possible that only white women get killed on vacation (Natalee Holloway), or while jogging (Chanrda Levy). I suppose it's possible that only little white girls get murdered in their homes and the cases are never solved (Jon Benet Ramsey). Or perhaps these things happen to people of all races and genders, but the media only covers the white female victims.
I can't think of any cases of black boys being murdered that should have made national media news, but that's a symptom of the problem, not a counterpoint. Do you believe that no young black boys have been murdered by their parents in America in the last ten years?
I do understand the point you are trying to make. I just don't particularly agree with it. Let's look at the cases you cited.
1) Caylee Anthony - unusual circumstance - not necessary to point out the unusual circumstances in this one since it is hot news just now.
2) Natalee Holloway - unusual circumstance: The son of an influential Aruban family is ass-deep in the investigation and is the number 1 suspect. His father was to become a judge in Aruba. Investigation botched by the Aruban gov't. An international incident at a high level.
3) Jon Benet Ramsey - unusual circumstance: Originally thought to be a kidnapping with a 6-figure ransom demand which would have made national news for any kidnapped child regardless of race. The investigation shifted to focus on her family as suspects and according to wiki, "unusual evidence". Her mama liked dressing her up as an adult for beauty pageants. This one probably didn't deserve as much media attention as it has gotten but the sleazyness of it all drew readers in.
4) Chandra Levy - unusual circumstance: was involved in some capacity with US Rep. Gary Condit who, during the course of the investigation into her disappearance, was himself investigated.
5) mentioned earlier, Elizabeth Smart: although not known at the time of her disappearance, was kidnapped by a fundamentalist polygamist. This one also appealed to the sleazier interests of readers.
Sums it all up right here. You need to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It doesn't matter if you "feel" like she's guilty. And showing the mother partying a week after the child's disappearance is not proof. It barely even qualifies as circumstantial evidence.QuoteQuoteWhat good does proving your case do if the jury nullifies it?
That's my point. They didn't prove it or there would have been a guilty verdict.
All it took to free the defendant was reasonable doubt, and the jury obviously had that.
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Tink1717 2
No, it was an obviously guilty suspect that was nullified by a jury. The only thing left to do is figure out why they did it. Death penalty maybe?
Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off.
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Andy9o8 1
QuoteNo, it was an obviously guilty suspect that was nullified by a jury. The only thing left to do is figure out why they did it. Death penalty maybe?
Did you attend each day of trial? Hear the testimony and study the demeanor of every witness? Examine every piece of evidence? Listen to each entire opening statement and closing argument? Listen to every one of the judge's final instructions?
And that's even aside from the fact that you weren't in the jury room during deliberations.
Coreece 190
QuoteThere is no coverage of non-celebrity, non-white murders in the national media, and certainly no coverage to the extent we see with the PWG (pretty white girl) case du jour.
This is an outrage...blacks deserve equal noteriety. I'm calling Al Sharpton immediatley, if not sooner!
Quoteperhaps these things happen to people of all races and genders, but the media only covers the white female victims.
Why do you think that is? Is the media racist or do these stories appeal to a more inclusive/broader demographic.
In general, broadcasters can charge 35-45% more for ads if their show appeals to the 18-49 demographic despite having a 25% smaller audience than a more popular show that only appeals to the 18-34 demograpgic.
I think these murder cases are so notorious because the people who comprise the broad demographic can more easily identify with either the victim or the perp, thus adding to the shock value...and the media knows this.
And even if the story doesn't appeal to the general black population, there are always those people like old man Willy down the street:
"See Cletus, I tode ja...I tode ja doze craza crackas was craza!"
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
gjhdiver 0
QuoteAnd you seem to be saying that you just don't care... That's very cold-hearted.
I think he's saying that it's none of our business, and in that I agree. She's a free woman and can pop them out like her vagina is a clown car for all I care. With the payoff she's likely to get from all this media attention, at least she'll be able to afford real nannies for them when she goes out partying, not imaginary ones.
The jury did the right thing with the shitty case they were presented with. I don't care if she's guilty or not. I'd rather see 1000 guilty people walk free than one innocent person locked up.
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Oh Well... just look at it this way.... Nancy Grace's blood pressure just went into overload..... as she is having a hissy fit and birthin a COW
I am pretty sure she is upset she did not manage to get this one to commit suicide too
I miss the "Boston Legal" character who parodied Nancy Grace.
I believe, that character was 'Gracie Grace'!?
Chuck
Gracie Jane, IIRC. Funny thing was I hadn't heard of Nancy Grace. Then when I looked up some YouTube clips to see who she was, I was ROTFLMAO watching the *real* one.
That's it! Gracie Jane! I miss 'Boston Legal'. My wife has the SCUBA suit William Shatner wore in one episode. We've never taken it out of the sealed plastic packaging because of a note that came with it.
The note, verified authenticity and that this suit was actually worn by Shatner in an episode... and that he went 'commando' in it! Yuuuuuuuckkkk!
Chuck
Coreece 190
QuoteThat's it! Gracie Jane! I miss 'Boston Legal'. My wife has the SCUBA suit William Shatner wore in one episode. We've never taken it out of the sealed plastic packaging because of a note that came with it.
The note, verified authenticity and that this suit was actually worn by Shatner in an episode... and that he went 'commando' in it! Yuuuuuuuckkkk!
Chuck
That would make for good episode of Pawn Stars!
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
QuoteQuoteThat's it! Gracie Jane! I miss 'Boston Legal'. My wife has the SCUBA suit William Shatner wore in one episode. We've never taken it out of the sealed plastic packaging because of a note that came with it.
The note, verified authenticity and that this suit was actually worn by Shatner in an episode... and that he went 'commando' in it! Yuuuuuuuckkkk!
Chuck
That would make for good episode of Pawn Stars!
Hey, yeah!
TheSCUBA suit is even signed by William Shatner in silver Sharpie! 
Get the signature expert on it and cha-ching! Chuck
This case affects me how?
chuckakers 417
QuoteThis case affects me how?
I have no idea. If you don't care about the subject, why are you replying?
Chuck Akers
D-10855
Houston, TX
D-10855
Houston, TX
chuckakers 417
QuoteNo, it was an obviously guilty suspect that was nullified by a jury. The only thing left to do is figure out why they did it. Death penalty maybe?
Here's another one, folks. Tink says Casey is "obviously" guilty, even though a jury of 12 people unanimously agreed the prosecution failed to prove that.
Think what you want, but you'll have a hard time convincing the justice system. It already decided otherwise.
And soon the "killer" will have enough money to buy you. Guess she wins.
Chuck Akers
D-10855
Houston, TX
D-10855
Houston, TX
Plus... she can hit the talk show circuit, Oprah, The View... and book deals and even, her own reality show! Her possibilities are just endless. If, she doesn't party herself into oblivion.
Chuck
Chuck
QuoteQuoteThis case affects me how?
I have no idea. If you don't care about the subject, why are you replying?
To make others think the same thing rather than argue aimlessly on the interwebz
QuotePlus... she can hit the talk show circuit, Oprah, The View... and book deals and even, her own reality show! Her possibilities are just endless. If, she doesn't party herself into oblivion.
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Thing is she will always have to live with the fact that her daughter, the one she took such care of before that stupid mistake, is dead.
QuoteNo, it was an obviously guilty suspect that was nullified by a jury. The only thing left to do is figure out why they did it. Death penalty maybe?
My opinion is that the death penalty option was a poor decision by the prosecuters.
Before I go any farther let me in the spirit of full disclosure tell you that after the last weekend of watching Headline News nearly 24/3 , I believe myself to atleast be qualified as a paralegal and actaually ready for the BAR exam.
Look .., the death penalty should be reserved for people whose crimes are so henious that we can't allow them to even live in isolation in our prisons.
(IMO)This girls' mistakes didn't rise to that level!
She's a kid with a kid and made poor decisions due to her lack of maturity.
It's tragic that her 3 year old paid the consequences.
If that child had been aborted we wouldn't even be talking about her.
Oh.., one more thing ,Tink, while I still have on my barrister robes.., generally jury nullification is more to do with the jury not agreeing with the law.
I doubt many/any of the jury believe it's ok to kill kids.
QuoteQuotePlus... she can hit the talk show circuit, Oprah, The View... and book deals and even, her own reality show! Her possibilities are just endless. If, she doesn't party herself into oblivion.
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Thing is she will always have to live with the fact that her daughter, the one she took such care of before that stupid mistake, is dead.
Personally, I think, the woman is crazy! She has no feeling for anyone but her self and totally, lacks a conscience. I'm no 'shrink', just my opinion.
Chuck
Quit changing the rules! I am only trying to point out that this type of sensational news coverage is tied to the nature of the murders ...not the race of the victims/killers. Maybe the lack of sensationalism in coverage of these types of crimes or killings by non-whites is that they are a rarity and that is a positive statement for a given "race" or group. This type of publicity isn't very complimentary for white folks for those who keep score based on race. Maybe you could cite a couple of examples of these particularly heinous or unusual crimes that should have made national or global news that were committed by or against a minority. I would happily agree with the example if it rises above the more mundane, everyday killings that know no racial boundaries ...you know, crimes of passion, murder for loot, etc. I'm sure that there are plenty of "pretty white girls" who are murdered that get very little press attention. The story is just not very interesting.
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