billvon 2,379 #351 July 12, 2011 >Doesn't the existence of a painting prove that there was a painter or could the >Mona Lisa "just happen?" Does the existence of the Giant's Causeway prove that giants exist, or did it "just happen?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #352 July 12, 2011 Quote>No strawman......I just concur. I know you do. And if that works for you, that's great. I guess where we differ is that I don't think everyone else is wrong just because they believe something slightly different than I do. I'm just trying to find the people like me...that's all. This is the process...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #354 July 12, 2011 So the Bible says that, so what? I don't see how that affects me. I don't believe in the Bible any more then Hindus believe it. Hasn't caused me any il effects. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #355 July 12, 2011 Quote Doesn't the existence of a painting prove that there was a painter or could the Mona Lisa "just happen?" If you believe it could, then I am truly amazed that it "works for you." That is some serious faith. LOL again. That was the most ludicrous argument I've ever heard. __ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #356 July 12, 2011 QuoteHasn't caused me any il effects. Ok, and I know you feel that you have no need for God as stated earlier... Mark 2:17 And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners."Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #357 July 12, 2011 QuoteSo the Bible says that, so what? I don't see how that affects me. I don't believe in the Bible any more then Hindus believe it. Hasn't caused me any il effects. You don't believe lying is wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #358 July 12, 2011 So why should I or anyone believe in the Christian God or anything in the Bible? It hasn't caused me any problems. I don't see any reason to believe it will cause me any problems in the future or when I am dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #359 July 12, 2011 I don't believe there is deity out there watching to see if I am naughty or nice and making a list and checking it twice. Whether lying is right or wrong depends on the context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #360 July 12, 2011 QuoteSo why should I or anyone believe in the Christian God or anything in the Bible? Read it with an open mind, without bias...and when something hard comes along...presist. You must have a desire to understand...not a desire for contention.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #361 July 12, 2011 I have read the Bible. I didn't find it all that profound or any more credible then any other mythology. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #362 July 12, 2011 keep reading based on my instructions...and when you're done, read it again....reapeat... or, not...just don't complain if you don't understand.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,379 #363 July 12, 2011 >Read it with an open mind . . .You must have a desire to understand...not a desire for contention. Agreed. The kicker is - you can't stop with just one book if wisdom is your goal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #364 July 12, 2011 Quote>Read it with an open mind . . .You must have a desire to understand...not a desire for contention. Agreed. The kicker is - you can't stop with just one book if wisdom is your goal. correct, I reccommend all 66 books. 39 in the Old... 27 in the New...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,379 #365 July 12, 2011 >correct, I reccommend all 66 books. I think you may have to read a tad more than that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #366 July 12, 2011 Quote>correct, I reccommend all 66 books. I think you may have to read a tad more than that. Heavens no! The Apocrapha?!?!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,379 #367 July 12, 2011 >Heavens no! The Apocrapha? Not to mention the works of Herodotus, Plato and the brothers Grimm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #368 July 13, 2011 QuoteDoesn't the existence of a painting prove that there was a painter Funny thing there, we actually already know that painters make paintings, and that's why we would jump to that conclusion. Interestingly, though, when we see intricate colour patterns in nature we generally don't assume they're the result of a painter's actions. In fact, we're actually extremely good at recognising what is the result of intelligent activity and what isn't.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #369 July 13, 2011 QuoteQuoteSo why should I or anyone believe in the Christian God or anything in the Bible? Read it with an open mind, without bias...and when something hard comes along...presist. You must have a desire to understand...not a desire for contention. Since you contrast it with contention, something tells me that when you say 'understand' you actually mean 'agree'. Which would be an interesting interpretation of 'without bias'.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #370 July 13, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo why should I or anyone believe in the Christian God or anything in the Bible? Read it with an open mind, without bias...and when something hard comes along...presist. You must have a desire to understand...not a desire for contention. Since you contrast it with contention, something tells me that when you say 'understand' you actually mean 'agree'. No..when I say understand, I mean understand.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #371 July 13, 2011 QuoteI don't believe there is deity out there watching to see if I am naughty or nice and making a list and checking it twice. Whether lying is right or wrong depends on the context. Proper lies. I mean straightforward deceitful lies. Not taking away from the wrongful nature of any lie but just cutting to the chase. You've told those sometime in your life right? Like everybody else? If so, did you know it was wrong? Did you do it anyway knowing it was wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #372 July 13, 2011 QuoteQuoteDoesn't the existence of a painting prove that there was a painter Funny thing there, we actually already know that painters make paintings, and that's why we would jump to that conclusion. Interestingly, though, when we see intricate colour patterns in nature we generally don't assume they're the result of a painter's actions. In fact, we're actually extremely good at recognising what is the result of intelligent activity and what isn't. Like seeing a universe so perfectly attuned for life :)You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 189 #373 July 13, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Doesn't the existence of a painting prove that there was a painter Funny thing there, we actually already know that painters make paintings, and that's why we would jump to that conclusion. Interestingly, though, when we see intricate colour patterns in nature we generally don't assume they're the result of a painter's actions. In fact, we're actually extremely good at recognising what is the result of intelligent activity and what isn't. Like seeing a universe so perfectly attuned for life :) Ya, as if the Mona Lisa is a result of intelligence, but the circulatory system isn't... ...good stuff.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,379 #374 July 13, 2011 >Like seeing a universe so perfectly attuned for life :) Well. there's no one to see the ones that aren't, is there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #375 July 13, 2011 QuoteYa, as if the Mona Lisa is a result of intelligence, but the circulatory system isn't... Exactly. We know the Mona Lisa was painted because we know how paintings come to be, and we know who painted it. Likewise, we know about the blind physical processes that developed the circulatory system. Of course, if you're not interested in understanding...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
