RonD1120 60
RonD1120 60
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From what I am reading lately, that is how scientists are describing reality. An illusion.
Nah, that's Joe Walsh.
I like that link, thanks for posting it.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
Coreece 190
QuoteThe reference to casting lots for the clothing in Psalms was probably inserted by the writer of Mathew trying to give Credence to Jesus being the messiah
Yes, I know you believe the Gospels to be a big lie.
"Hey guys, what do you wanna do today? I know, lets dedicate our lives to creating some type of conspiracy that'll just piss everybody off and incite them to kill us all...We'll be famous!"
QuoteI find it a bit strange, that a God would create a race of people, promise them all salvation and then send a messiah that 99% of them would not recognize.
How were they to recognize him when they rejected parts of scripture describing what he came to do?
QuoteIf it were not for Paul busting his hump spreading the word outside of Judea, all would be forgotten.
Ya perhaps....Paul was awesome, an inspiration.
It's no wonder God decided to use him...
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Channman 2
> Ya perhaps....Paul was awesome, an inspiration.
It's no wonder God decided to use him...
jclalor 12
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe reference to casting lots for the clothing in Psalms was probably inserted by the writer of Mathew trying to give Credence to Jesus being the messiah
Yes, I know you believe the Gospels to be a big lie.
I do not believe the Gospels were "A big lie" I do believe they were written at least 70 years after Jesus lived, that they were written by people who did not know Jesus. What was written, were oral traditions that were being passed from believer to believer. In the first few hundred years of Christianity, all of the first manuscripts of every book were different, reflecting the different views of the writers. often these views conflicted with one another, sometimes in very small ways, sometimes in huge ways, but they are all different. Perhaps one of the most famous quotes of Jesus " He who is without sin, cast the first stone" This story from John does not appear in any manuscript from the first 400 years.QuoteHey guys, what do you wanna do today? I know, lets dedicate our lives to creating some type of conspiracy that'll just piss everybody off and incite them to kill us
" all...We'll be famous!"
I have no doubt that the few that died, believed in what they were doing, they just made the mistake of pissing off the Romans and the Jews. there was no Roman law that made Christianity illegal.QuoteQuoteI find it a bit strange, that a God would create a race of people, promise them all salvation and then send a messiah that 99% of them would not recognize.
How were they to recognize him when they rejected parts of scripture describing what he came to do?
Thats my point, God goes through all the work of the OT so that less than 1% of the Jews would recognize it when it comes? This does not make sense.QuoteQuoteIf it were not for Paul busting his hump spreading the word outside of Judea, all would be forgotten.
Ya perhaps....Paul was awesome, an inspiration.
It's no wonder God decided to use him...
Paul has more to do with you being a Christian than Jesus.
The vast majority of Christian may know loads about the bible and yet know next to nothing about it's history.
Coreece 190
QuoteI do believe they were written at least 70 years after Jesus lived, that they were written by people who did not know Jesus. What was written, were oral traditions that were being passed from believer to believer.
You can believe whatever you want. I tend to believe in what early church tradition and biblical text suggest rather than the idea of literary dependency, Markan Priority and the Two-Source hypothesis that relies on Q (a non-exsistent hypothetical document invented by modern skeptics to explain the "synoptic problem" and deny verbal inspiration).
We can sit here an argue why we believe what we believe ad nauseum but at the end of the day, wether I believe the gospels were written between 50-70 A.D or 70-90 A.D has relatively no bearing on my faith or the practical application of the life changing spiritual truth found in the gospels.
QuoteIn the first few hundred years of Christianity, all of the first manuscripts of every book were different, reflecting the different views of the writers. often these views conflicted with one another, sometimes in very small ways, sometimes in huge ways, but they are all different.
I'm actually glad they're different. The Bible is long enough without being so redundant. It's there to give us insight into spiritual truth, not satisfy the misinformed interrogation habits of good cop/bad cop.
We've had these dicussions before where I illustrated that your supposed conflicts weren't contradictory, but rather complementary and revealed deeper truth about Christ when brought together.
QuotePerhaps one of the most famous quotes of Jesus " He who is without sin, cast the first stone" This story from John does not appear in any manuscript from the first 400 years.
This is nothing new. All my Bibles note that this section of scripture as not being found in the earliest and most reliable manuscripts just as it does with other parts of scripture like Mark 16:9-20. This is not a surprise...It's not like they are lying and just trying to slip something in there and pull one over on us. The early Church's acknowledgment of this discrepency only gives me more confidence in scripture.
Also, it is commonly accepted that these verses must be compared with the rest of scripture and that no Church doctrine should be framed entirely based on them.
QuoteThats my point, God goes through all the work of the OT so that less than 1% of the Jews would recognize it when it comes? This does not make sense.
Many of the Jews I've talked to say they either just reject what some of the prophets claimed or that any prophecy concerning Jesus was a mistranslation. It seems to me that many Jews back in biblical days were more concerned with the political status of their nation rather than the spritual reconciliation to God found in the reference I provided concerning Isaiah that you also ignored.
It's the same reason why Jesus kept asking the other Jews "Haven't you read Scripture?"
It's the same reason He told Peter that "You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."
So, yes...I agree. It doesn't make sense why the Jews rejected Christ unless they simply ignored and didn't have faith in the totality of what the Messiah actually came to do and are just waiting for Him to restore Israel, which I also believe will ultimately be accomplished...
QuotePaul has more to do with you being a Christian than Jesus.
QuoteThe vast majority of Christian may know loads about the bible and yet know next to nothing about it's history.
Just because someone doesn't talk about it ad nauseum like a broken record doesn't mean they haven't studied the history. Saving faith is found in the exploration and practical application of the spiritual truths found in the actual scripture itself, not in the intellectual knowledge of it's history.
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gjhdiver 0
Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon.
Religion will fly you into a building.
Nuff said.
Religion will fly you into a building.
Nuff said.
QuoteScience, logic and reason will fly you to the moon.
Religion will fly you into a building.
Nuff said.
Perfection.....even Poetic
Life expands or contracts in proportion to one's courage. ~Anais Nin
Coreece 190
QuoteScience, logic and reason will fly you to the moon.
Religion will fly you into a building.
Nuff said.
Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are...but what's so reasonable about flying to the moon other than the pride of kicking the russian's arses?
btw, it's doubtful that theocractic violence will ever cease until people start looking to God for a spiritual relationship rather than as an excuse to express violent political discontent....
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
tkhayes 328
Quotebut what's so reasonable about flying to the moon other than the pride of kicking the russian's arses?
sure, nothing good came out of NASA and moon missions other than compact power tools, battery technology, rocket and energy technology, solar, water and waste management, metal development, human physiology studies, medical advances, drug development........
winsor 235
jakee 1,445
QuoteQuotebut what's so reasonable about flying to the moon other than the pride of kicking the russian's arses?
sure, nothing good came out of NASA and moon missions other than compact power tools, battery technology, rocket and energy technology, solar, water and waste management, metal development, human physiology studies, medical advances, drug development........
Forget it. A fundamental part of how these guys justify the legitimacy of their beliefs is a refusal to accept that anything of tangible worth ever results from pure research (or grandstand projects).
They need to be able to characterise science as a bunch of guys colluding to basically make shit up for the purpose of stroking their own egos. If they ever admit that a lot of the cool shit we have around these days results from what was once cutting edge theoretical research they lose the ability say that religion is just as good as science because science is just a bunch of hypotheses about stuff we don't know about and never will and none of it's really actually true.
Takes a lot of doublethink to be that kind of religious these days...
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
Coreece 190
QuoteQuoteQuotebut what's so reasonable about flying to the moon other than the pride of kicking the russian's arses?
sure, nothing good came out of NASA and moon missions other than compact power tools, battery technology, rocket and energy technology, solar, water and waste management, metal development, human physiology studies, medical advances, drug development........
Forget it. A fundamental part of how these guys justify the legitimacy of their beliefs is a refusal to accept that anything of tangible worth ever results from pure research (or grandstand projects).
They need to be able to characterise science as a bunch of guys colluding to basically make shit up for the purpose of stroking their own egos. If they ever admit that a lot of the cool shit we have around these days results from what was once cutting edge theoretical research they lose the ability say that religion is just as good as science because science is just a bunch of hypotheses about stuff we don't know about and never will and none of it's really actually true.
Takes a lot of doublethink to be that kind of religious these days...
You guys have no sense of humor...
What a desperate stretch just to slam somebody.
I must've got under your skin or something.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
It's like the coefficient of derived emotion following a survived freefall greater than ten seconds duration.
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