Accused Kosovar Shooter in Frankfurt Had Islamofascist Ties, 2 US Airmen Slain

[Guest]

Hadjii wins one, unfortunately, and I'm ashamed to say that the alleged killer was from Kosovo.

Story (Yahoo DE Nachrichten [news] - translation required).

Edit to add: Story in English

One wonders how this coward got a gun into the Frankfurt airport. The story says he worked there.
mh
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edit to add caveats "Accused" and "alleged": shooter has confessed, but has not yet been tried.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[rushmc 18]

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Hadjii wins one, unfortunately, and I'm ashamed to say that the killer was from Kosovo.

Story (Yahoo DE Nachrichten [news] - translation required).

Edit to add: Story in English

One wonders how this coward got a gun into the Frankfurt airport. The story says he worked there.
mh
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You must like being called a bigot huh

How long do you think it will take until it happens?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wayneflorida 0]

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Hadjii wins one, unfortunately, and I'm ashamed to say that the killer was from Kosovo.

Story (Yahoo DE Nachrichten [news] - translation required).

Edit to add: Story in English

One wonders how this coward got a gun into the Frankfurt airport. The story says he worked there.
mh
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This happened outside the terminal. I guess Frankfurt is like US airports in that security screening is inside terminal before boarding or access to ramp.

Conflicting info as to where he was born also.

[winsor 220]

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Hadjii wins one, unfortunately, and I'm ashamed to say that the killer was from Kosovo.

Story (Yahoo DE Nachrichten [news] - translation required).

Edit to add: Story in English

One wonders how this coward got a gun into the Frankfurt airport. The story says he worked there.
mh
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You must like being called a bigot huh

How long do you think it will take until it happens?

Being "tolerant" of the Koran is harder to justify than being "tolerant" of Mein Kampf. Either one meets the criteria set forth for being banned in Germany under current racism laws, but - when you get away from the admonition to kill anyone that holds an opposing viewpoint - the teutonic version has a better track record.

If you read either the Koran or Mein Kampf and say "anyone who buys this drivel is as fucked up as a football bat," it is a simple observation, not an expression of "bigotry." To show "respect" for either is virtually impossible if one has actually read the tome (both are equally execrable from a literary standpoint).

The contempt in which the adherents of the Koran and Mein Kampf are held is well-earned. Both are truly evil.


BSBD,

Winsor

[billvon 2,731]

>Being "tolerant" of the Koran is harder to justify than being "tolerant" of Mein Kampf.

And about as hard to justify as being "tolerant" of the Old Testament. All three contain a lot of really evil dictates.

[rushmc 18]

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Hadjii wins one, unfortunately, and I'm ashamed to say that the killer was from Kosovo.

Story (Yahoo DE Nachrichten [news] - translation required).

Edit to add: Story in English

One wonders how this coward got a gun into the Frankfurt airport. The story says he worked there.
mh
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You must like being called a bigot huh

How long do you think it will take until it happens?

Being "tolerant" of the Koran is harder to justify than being "tolerant" of Mein Kampf. Either one meets the criteria set forth for being banned in Germany under current racism laws, but - when you get away from the admonition to kill anyone that holds an opposing viewpoint - the teutonic version has a better track record.

If you read either the Koran or Mein Kampf and say "anyone who buys this drivel is as fucked up as a football bat," it is a simple observation, not an expression of "bigotry." To show "respect" for either is virtually impossible if one has actually read the tome (both are equally execrable from a literary standpoint).

The contempt in which the adherents of the Koran and Mein Kampf are held is well-earned. Both are truly evil.


BSBD,

Winsor

Agreed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Have you read the Koran? or Mein Kampf?

Regarding the OP: this is a terrible attack, and my heart goes out to the victims and their families. I don't however, see in the linked article that the shooter had ties to extremists. The only tie alleged was that he was born in an area known to produce extremists. This may have been a planned attack, but it also may not. It is too early to tell.

- Dan G

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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>Being "tolerant" of the Koran is harder to justify than being "tolerant" of Mein Kampf.

And about as hard to justify as being "tolerant" of the Old Testament. All three contain a lot of really evil dictates.

Agreed. The glorification of the genocide chronicled in JOSHUA is horrible. If I was in the book banning business it would top my list.

[Andy9o8 1]

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>Being "tolerant" of the Koran is harder to justify than being "tolerant" of Mein Kampf.

And about as hard to justify as being "tolerant" of the Old Testament. All three contain a lot of really evil dictates.

Agreed. The glorification of the genocide chronicled in JOSHUA is horrible. If I was in the book banning business it would top my list.

The OT is obviously a book of peace, for it advocates "everybody must get stoned".

(Apologies to Zimmerman)

[Guest]

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Have you read the Koran? or Mein Kampf?

Regarding the OP: this is a terrible attack, and my heart goes out to the victims and their families. I don't however, see in the linked article that the shooter had ties to extremists. The only tie alleged was that he was born in an area known to produce extremists. This may have been a planned attack, but it also may not. It is too early to tell.

One story says the shooter was from Mitrovica, which is notorious for producing a lot of hot-headed young men of two distinct ethnic groups. It's a dangerous place (and YES, I HAVE BEEN THERE - several times in fact).

The only decent part of this is that a Kosovo government spokesman has condemned the act outright, and hasn't said anything about molly-coddling the shooter, or made any pablum-puking statements about the so-called "Religion of Peace" (TM).

In fact, I hope the punk's elgible for extradition. The Kosovars have ways of dealing with his kind, and no, it won't be in the form of a hero's welcome.

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[billvon 2,731]

>The OT is obviously a book of peace, for it advocates "everybody must get
>stoned".

The OT will stone you when you’re trying to be good
It’ll stone you just like it said it would
It’ll stone you when you’re trying to go home
Then it’ll stone you when you’re there all alone
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It will stone you when you’re walking down the street
It’ll stone you when you’re trying to keep your seat
It’ll stone you when you’re walking on the floor
It’ll stone you when you’re walking to the door
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

[Skyrad 0]

Really? How totally uninteresting.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Andy9o8 1]

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One story says the shooter was from Mitrovica, which is notorious for producing a lot of hot-headed young men of two distinct ethnic groups. It's a dangerous place (and YES, I HAVE BEEN THERE - several times in fact).

Yeah? You ever been to downtown Newark? If not, then shut up.

Anyhow, interesting lifestyle you have there, Mark: go to other people's countries, make a living sucking off their tit, and hate them. Now there's a morality play for the ages.

[mnealtx 0]

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One story says the shooter was from Mitrovica, which is notorious for producing a lot of hot-headed young men of two distinct ethnic groups. It's a dangerous place (and YES, I HAVE BEEN THERE - several times in fact).

Yeah? You ever been to downtown Newark? If not, then shut up.

Anyhow, interesting lifestyle you have there, Mark: go to other people's countries, make a living sucking off their tit, and hate them. Now there's a morality play for the ages.

Maybe you should take your own advice from the first line of your response, Andy and quit trying to tell people what they *really* think.

Unlike you, he's been to the places he talks about and has seen both the moderate and the not-so-moderate Muslims.

Mike
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[winsor 220]

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>Being "tolerant" of the Koran is harder to justify than being "tolerant" of Mein Kampf.

And about as hard to justify as being "tolerant" of the Old Testament. All three contain a lot of really evil dictates.

Agreed. About any Rabbi I have asked about it has pretty much agreed with you, as well. My favorite rabbis are rather talented Historians.

Note that the Tanakh is a Bronze Age family history - warts and all - and was not for general consumption. The primary benefit it has had to society is not so much monotheism as the idea of univeral law, that the law applies to everyone. Kings that flout the law (Saul ignored a command to commit genocide) are struck down as surely as slaves.

When we discuss a Parsha, the evil dictates do not get a free pass, nor are they endorsed.

In any event, in that I assume that you, too have read the Tanakh, Mein Kampf and the Koran, you will note that the commonality of agenda is very distinct between Mein Kampf and the Koran; not so much the Tanakh.


BSBD,

Winsor

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One story says the shooter was from Mitrovica, which is notorious for producing a lot of hot-headed young men of two distinct ethnic groups. It's a dangerous place (and YES, I HAVE BEEN THERE - several times in fact).

Yeah? You ever been to downtown Newark? If not, then shut up.

Anyhow, interesting lifestyle you have there, Mark: go to other people's countries, make a living sucking off their tit, and hate them. Now there's a morality play for the ages.

Maybe you should take your own advice from the first line of your response, Andy and quit trying to tell people what they *really* think.

What makes you think Andy hasn't been to Newark?

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[billvon 2,731]

>The primary benefit it has had to society is not so much monotheism as the
>idea of univeral law, that the law applies to everyone.

While the idea of universal law is indeed embedded in the Tanakh, the laws themselves would result in life in prison in any civilized country if they were followed even close to accurately. (Which is good; selling your daughter into slavery and murdering gays is generally frowned upon by most people nowadays.)

So a theologian studying any such religious history must keep a historical perspective, and treat the details of the law (or the dictates of the document) as historical commentary rather than directive.

All too often people miss this qualifier, and define the value of the Old Testament by Leviticus 20:13, The Koran by Quran 2:191-193, or even the US Constitution by Article IV section 2 line 3. This, of course, misses the point completely - yet all too often people see only what they want to see and disregard the rest.

>you will note that the commonality of agenda is very distinct between
>Mein Kampf and the Koran; not so much the Tanakh.

I'd place the Koran, the Tanakh and Vedas into one category (the promulgation of a mixture of religious history, mores and canon) and Mein Kampf and the Unabomber manifesto into another (a call to political action.)

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I'd place the Koran, the Tanakh and Vedas into one category (the promulgation of a mixture of religious history, mores and canon) and Mein Kampf and the Unabomber manifesto into another (a call to political action.)

Well said, Bill. However, I would include the unholy koran in the latter as it isn't just ugly history as with the OT, it's a call to arms, to make war on anyone and everyone who isn't a believer.

Poverty, hormones and religious fanaticism are a highly unstable mixture; I've got to hand it to ol' Mo that he figured out a way to take advantage of the most base elements of human nature, and exploit them for his own personal gain, while at the same time saying that it comes from god, so it's okay.

Everyone please note that the perp is from Eastern Europe, not an Arab country (though Kosovo is 90% muslim).

It is unlikely that the Germans will extradite, if for no other reason than the perp would likely face a death sentence; whereas in Germany, a "life sentence" means getting out in 10 years or less. Don't know what the clown's citizenship is, either.

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[tkhayes 259]

Is islamofacist actually a word? Or is that something made up?

[muff528 3]

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Is islamofacist actually a word? Or is that something made up?

All words are made up.

[billvon 2,731]

>I would include the unholy koran in the latter as it isn't just ugly history as
>with the OT, it's a call to arms

So does the OT. Here God commands his followers to kill all unbelievers:

"But of the cities of these peoples which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the LORD your God has commanded you, lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the LORD your God."

Here Moses commands his followers to kill all the boys, kill all the non-virgin girls, and rape the virgin girls:

"Then they brought the captives, the booty, and the spoil to Moses, to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the children of Israel, to the camp in the plains of Moab by the Jordan, across from Jericho. And Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the congregation, went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was angry with the officers of the army, with the captains over thousands and captains over hundreds, who had come from the battle. And Moses said to them: “Have you kept all the women alive? Look, these women caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the LORD in the incident of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately."

I could go on but this would get pretty long.

Overall the Koran is a lot less violent than the Bible. From a book by Philip Jenkins:

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Some Westerners argue that the Muslim scriptures themselves inspire terrorism, and drive violent jihad. Evangelist Franklin Graham has described his horror on finding so many Koranic passages that command the killing of infidels: the Koran, he thinks, "preaches violence." Prominent conservatives Paul Weyrich and William Lind argued that "Islam is, quite simply, a religion of war," and urged that Muslims be encouraged to leave US soil. Today, Dutch politician Geert Wilders faces trial for his film "Fitna," in which he demands that the Koran be suppressed as the modern-day equivalent to Hitler's "Mein Kampf."

Even Westerners who have never opened the book - especially such people, perhaps - assume that the Koran is filled with calls for militarism and murder, and that those texts shape Islam.

Unconsciously, perhaps, many Christians consider Islam to be a kind of dark shadow of their own faith, with the ugly words of the Koran standing in absolute contrast to the scriptures they themselves cherish. In the minds of ordinary Christians - and Jews - the Koran teaches savagery and warfare, while the Bible offers a message of love, forgiveness, and charity. For the prophet Micah, God's commands to his people are summarized in the words "act justly, and love mercy, and walk humbly with your God" (Micah 6:8). Christians recall the words of the dying Jesus: "Father, forgive them: they know not what they do."

But in terms of ordering violence and bloodshed, any simplistic claim about the superiority of the Bible to the Koran would be wildly wrong. In fact, the Bible overflows with "texts of terror," to borrow a phrase coined by the American theologian Phyllis Trible. The Bible contains far more verses praising or urging bloodshed than does the Koran, and biblical violence is often far more extreme, and marked by more indiscriminate savagery. The Koran often urges believers to fight, yet it also commands that enemies be shown mercy when they surrender. Some frightful portions of the Bible, by contrast, go much further in ordering the total extermination of enemies, of whole families and races - of men, women, and children, and even their livestock, with no quarter granted.
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So if you think people blindly following religious texts, better pray that the extremists are reading the Koran rather than the Bible. Fortunately, most people are not nearly so literal.

[Guest]

Point taken.

However, I will repeat myself once more:

The OT advocated the utter destruction of those peoples / systems in opposition to the political / economic / religious objectives of the Jewish Empire (and in fact specifies them by name) at that time only, THREE THOUSAND YEARS AGO.

The only adherents to this philosophy in modern times can only be found in illegal settlements in the occupied territories of Palestine, whereas we are forced to deal with the adherents of the islamofascist creed of the destruction / subjugation of non-believers (who are guilty of nothing other than not believing that mohammed [pbuh] is the only prophet), irrespective of who or where they are ON THE WHOLE FUCKING PLANET, RIGHT NOW. The OT advocated genocide of specific peoples millenia ago, whereas the unholy koran demands genocide of anyone, anywhere, who is a non-believer (and who of course refuse to become Dhimmi and pay the Dhimmi tax). I don't know how the moral-equivalence types can make these kinds of comparisons with a straight face.

mh
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edit for spelling and parsing. Sorry, it's difficult to be coherent at 3am

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[Guest]

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>The OT is obviously a book of peace, for it advocates "everybody must get
>stoned".

The OT will stone you when you’re trying to be good
It’ll stone you just like it said it would
It’ll stone you when you’re trying to go home
Then it’ll stone you when you’re there all alone
. . .

It will stone you when you’re walking down the street
It’ll stone you when you’re trying to keep your seat
It’ll stone you when you’re walking on the floor
It’ll stone you when you’re walking to the door
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

I'm reminded of the trailer for "Monty Python's Life of Brian", which showed part of the stoning scene in the film, with the voice over: "Getting stoned wasn't against the law, it was the law."

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[billvon 2,731]

>The OT advocated the utter destruction of those peoples / systems in opposition to the
>political / economic / religious objectives of the Jewish Empire (and in fact specifies them
>by name) at that time only, THREE THOUSAND YEARS AGO.

Yep. And the Koran advocated much less violence 1500 years ago.

>The OT advocated genocide of specific peoples millenia ago . . .

Yep. Nonbelievers, in other words.

>whereas we are forced to deal with the adherents of the islamofascist creed of
>the destruction . . .

Ah, you are starting to figure it out. The problem is not the Koran, which is much less violent than the Bible overall. The problem is terrorists.

>I don't know how the moral-equivalence types can make these kinds of
>comparisons with a straight face.

And often I wonder if the people who equate terrorism with the Koran really are ignorant, or if they're just trying to get a rise out of people.

[Andy9o8 1]

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often I wonder if the people who equate terrorism with the Koran really are ignorant, or if they're just trying to get a rise out of people.

I find that the more intelligent and articulate they are, the more likely it is to be the latter. This thread does nothing to disabuse me of that view.