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Ohio state Senate passes bill to curtail collective bargaining

(CNN) -- The Ohio state Senate passed a bill Wednesday that would curb the collective bargaining rights of public workers and strip away their power to strike.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/02/ohio.budget/index.html?iref=allsearch

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Ohio state Senate passes bill to curtail collective bargaining

(CNN) -- The Ohio state Senate passed a bill Wednesday that would curb the collective bargaining rights of public workers and strip away their power to strike.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/02/ohio.budget/index.html?iref=allsearch

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Ohio Joined the slave states 160 years later who woulda thunk it that the Damn Yankees would have bought into it eventually.

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Ohio and the people get it

She doesnt

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Ohio and the people get it

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the unions have caused more damage over the last 5 years than any other group except for congress

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the unions have caused more damage over the last 5 years than any other group except for congress

+1 only I would say more like 25 years

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the unions have caused more damage over the last 5 years than any other group except for congress

Not all of them. But the public sector ones for sure

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the unions have caused more damage over the last 5 years than any other group except for congress

Not all of them. But the public sector ones for sure

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the unions have caused more damage over the last 5 years than any other group except for congress

Not all of them. But the public sector ones for sure

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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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+1 only I would say more like 25 years

the unions did many good things while they were working for the people, but now they work for themselves and for power and niether is good fo the people. why would they try to get more money and benifits knowing they would bankrupt the institution? because they want power not reasonable pay for the people.

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>why would they try to get more money and benifits knowing they would bankrupt
>the institution?

Because they are no smarter than the people who vote for their union leaders. Union members, like voters, end up with the leaders they deserve (unfortunately.)

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>why would they try to get more money and benifits knowing they would bankrupt
>the institution?

Because they are no smarter than the people who vote for their union leaders. Union members, like voters, end up with the leaders they deserve (unfortunately.)

well goody goody

I guess for you that makes it all ok

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Barry might be offended with your last post.

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[billvon 2,732]

>well goody goody . . .I guess for you that makes it all ok

?? No. Did you actually read the reply before responding?

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years ago, many of the cost+ monopolies were viewed as non-competitve
and bloated. their areas were opened to competition and costs dropped.
big govt is the last dynasty. they need to put their compensation packages
in line with the private sector.

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>well goody goody . . .I guess for you that makes it all ok

?? No. Did you actually read the reply before responding?

Yes Bill I did
That is at least the second time you made that nearly ecact post.

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[billvon 2,732]

>Yes Bill I did

Cool. Then hopefully you understand what the word "unfortunately" means. (Hint - it does not mean "it's all OK.")

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>Yes Bill I did

Cool. Then hopefully you understand what the word "unfortunately" means. (Hint - it does not mean "it's all OK.")

I got that and you had the same word in both posts I read I believe

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+1 only I would say more like 25 years

the unions did many good things while they were working for the people, but now they work for themselves and for power and niether is good fo the people. why would they try to get more money and benifits knowing they would bankrupt the institution? because they want power not reasonable pay for the people.

>"...but now they work for themselves and for power..."

Let us not forget they also work for the Democratic Party and the President of the United States. With more than 400 million dollars poured into the 2008 election. Unions are all about securing their strangle hold on the democrats while they fleece their members for dues that go directly to liberal causes.

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they need to put their compensation packages
in line with the private sector.

A couple of recent studies have found state employees earn less than similar private sector employees when you look at education, time in job, etc. In the long term the pension they are able to draw is higher than a 401k payout so it needs to be considered also but be careful when you want to "bring in line" since the up front cost might jump since private sector pays way higher.

Look at the military for example. Pay for a E4 to be an Air Traffic controller is less than 30k. They leave the military and can get a private contract (non FAA) for 40-50k. Thats more than a 20% jump in base pay for essentially the same job. Do we need to raise the soldiers pay to match what they would get on the outside?

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total compensation.
soldiers -salary, pension, housing, food, full medical.

(edited to add - I was primarily referring to the topic - Ohio state employees.
soldiers are a small segment of the state budget.)

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total compensation.
soldiers -salary, pension, housing, food, full medical.

+1 We have a system here in Ohio that allows for the 'double-dip'. I'm pretty sure we're not the only state that allows a public employee to retire on Friday, begin collecting a very generous pension, and get re-hired on Monday in the same position they left Friday. I don't blame those who do it...if it was available to me I would too. The system needs to change. But it's an example of how the unions will pretty much fuck over the citizenry because they are allowed to.

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[billvon 2,732]

>But it's an example of how the unions will pretty much fuck over the
>citizenry because they are allowed to.

Yep. Just as companies will fuck over their employees if unions allow them to. Both sides want everything they can get, a system we call "capitalism."

[airdvr 201]

Very true Bill, with the exception being that a government doesn't operate in a capitalistic environment. The checks and balances don't exist. There's no one on the 'management' side that pushes back...until now. And when they do finally set some limits oh how the unions howl.

I've begun to notice here in Ohio the really poor services provided by all levels of government. We pay alot of taxes to get mediocre service.

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[billvon 2,732]

>There's no one on the 'management' side that pushes back...until now.

If that were true there would never have been any need for unions.

My parents both worked in the public school systems. Their employer (local government) pushed as hard as they could to reduce salaries, lay off teachers, increase tenure requirements etc etc. This was in the 1970's.

It's nothing new.