Lindsey 0 #26 February 3, 2011 QuoteI am well trained now.. I dare not go anywhere near a doctor unless I am near death.. I LOVE those folks who wait til they're damn near dead and then show up expecting us to jump in and save you at the last possible minute...lol. Ugh.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 February 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteI am well trained now.. I dare not go anywhere near a doctor unless I am near death.. I LOVE those folks who wait til they're damn near dead and then show up expecting us to jump in and save you at the last possible minute...lol. Ugh. Hey I am hoping my own immune system does the job. Going to the hospital would force them to do all those nice fun expensive tests like the last time. I am still hoping against hope That I can maintain financial solvency. I am one of those middle class people just one illness away from losing everything I have worked 40+ years for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 4 #28 February 3, 2011 That's no reason to establish a single payer government controlled healthcare system... Not a Logical reason at least. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #29 February 3, 2011 Quote That's no reason to establish a single payer government controlled healthcare system... Not a Logical reason at least. So who do the 1 in 6 Americans turn to??? That is how many have no coverage. That whole Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness thing WAS supposed to be what we as Americans strove for. If you do not have your helath I can assure you that its a whole lot harder to achieve happiness when you are wondering how you are going to stay alive. Opps I was wrong... its actually worsehttp://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/uninsured.html Quote About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance. This means that nearly one-third of Americans face each day without the security of knowing that, if and when they need it, medical care is available to them and their families. Right now WE are funding them when they show up at the ER and can not or will not Pay. Me.. I would have been very happy to just get the coverage I thought I had Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #30 February 3, 2011 As far as it being harder to achieve when you don't have your health. So what if it's HARDER? So what?! It's life. I went back to work 2 weeks after my total knee replacement...because I HAD to. Was I ready? No. Was it hard? Yes. After my bilateral mastectomy, which came very quickly after noticing a lump, I was back at work in less than a week...because I HAD to. It hasn't been easy either. But just because things aren't easy isn't a good excuse to be a knot on a log! Nothing wrong with deciding to do...and doing...better than the minimum. We'd be a helluva lot better off if more people were less willing to suck off of others.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #31 February 3, 2011 QuoteThat whole Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness thing WAS supposed to be what we as Americans strove for. But unfortunately it has become life, liberty and the purchase of happiness.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 4 #32 February 3, 2011 QuoteSo who do the 1 in 6 Americans turn to??? Basic, appropriate, and constitutional healthcare legislation would change that... easily. However, that doesn’t give the Federal government power and control... so why do they, ey? QuoteThat whole Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness thing WAS supposed to be what we as Americans strove for. If you do not have your helath I can assure you that its a whole lot harder to achieve happiness when you are wondering how you are going to stay alive. I guess you haven't read my posts...? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3977752;page=1;mh=-1;;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC QuoteQuade... Nancy Pelosi said after signing the HC bill: We will honor the vows of our founders, who in the Declaration of Independence said that we are “endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” This legislation will lead to healthier lives, more liberty to pursue hopes and dreams and happiness for the American people. This is an American proposal that honors the traditions of our country. So, basically... if people aren’t healthy, then they therefore are less able to “pursue happiness.” So, health care is needed... and government run health care, will insure health, and therefore increase liberty. Do you agree with her? What does, “the pursuit of happiness” mean? And here too, we can stick with Benjamin Franklin. QuoteYou asked if I agree with Pelosi's statement about healthcare helping to ensure "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Yes, I do agree with that. QuoteNiiiiice Okay... once more: What does, “the pursuit of happiness” mean? Because that alone, kills your argument... QuoteHappiness has two meanings: it means to be happy and jolly, but it has another meaning, as well. To get warmer... think... Benjamin Franklin. Do you know what I am talking about? Can you tell me the second definition of Pursuit of Happiness... because Pelosi is lying about and manipulating the DOI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #33 February 3, 2011 Knowing ole Ben.. probably swilling beer. I drink maybe one a month That is NOT my definition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 February 3, 2011 Quote Huh? It came from a program on Beer. It was one of those little known facts about the Founders... the Pursuit of Happiness was a reference to beer.“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin If you are going to be a strict constitutionalist... perhaps knowing some of the details about the guys that wrote it is warrented Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #36 February 3, 2011 Yes, my insurance will cover me. For damn near everything. Including skydiving accidents. I have a chronic health problem. I could be making a lot more money working somewhere else, but I get a lot of benefits working where I do, and awesome health insurance is one. In fact, I chose my employer based largely on the health coverage, because I knew I needed it. I don't regret that decision for a second. It costs me: $10 to see a doctor, specialists included. $5-$10 for a prescription, sometimes nothing at all. $50 for the ER. $100 if I'm admitted to the hospital. I have only had a treatment ever declined once, and that was when it really was experimental and not FDA approved to treat what I had, and nobody would've covered it. Three days after the FDA approved it, I got a letter from the insurance company saying they'd pay. If something is FDA approved but not the health plan's preferred drug or treatment, my doc writes a letter, and it's covered. One of the nice things about working for local government... most of the time even the janitors and secretaries have the same health insurance as the city council. Sick people aren't productive, so the investment is worth it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #38 February 3, 2011 QuoteI LOVE those folks who wait til they're damn near dead and then show up expecting us to jump in and save you at the last possible minute...lol. Ugh. QuoteWe'd be a helluva lot better off if more people were less willing to suck off of others. Well, if one could afford the insurance that would allow him to visit you earlier than at the last minute, he would more than likely do so. Until then he has no recourse, other than dying on your doorstep, than to suck off you. When one is looking at the cost of insurance vs the cost of having a place to live, the most immediate need gets satisfied first.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #39 February 3, 2011 Quotehen you get sick.. and get pneumonia and they want to put you in the donut to see how much of your lungs are full because you can't breathe you would think that would be covered... but no..it seems the imaging.. is... ready for this.... experimental.. and not covered. Or maybe the "donut" is a totally unnecessary and highly expensive procedure for simple pneumonia and it was simply a greedy hospital administration trying to pad the bill rather than simply shoot a chest film and put you on a regiment of antibiotics.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #40 February 3, 2011 Quote Quote hen you get sick.. and get pneumonia and they want to put you in the donut to see how much of your lungs are full because you can't breathe you would think that would be covered... but no..it seems the imaging.. is... ready for this.... experimental.. and not covered. Or maybe the "donut" is a totally unnecessary and highly expensive procedure for simple pneumonia and it was simply a greedy hospital administration trying to pad the bill rather than simply shoot a chest film and put you on a regiment of antibiotics. Its kind of hard to argue with them when you are gasping for air... in the worst pain I have ever felt in my life..scared shitless ( yeah.. not being able to breathe is kinda scary).. and then going out like a light from the pain. They did give me IV antibiotics and IV pain meds eventually but I was in the ER for an hour but I did not get any of that till I passed outI guess they thought I was joking... fuckers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #41 February 3, 2011 Whenever a person is relying on another to do something, you can NEVER EVER be sure. Look at NickDG -the government just did what not even insurance companies would have the balls to do - just tell him they won't cover him any more. So the answer is NO. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #42 February 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteI LOVE those folks who wait til they're damn near dead and then show up expecting us to jump in and save you at the last possible minute...lol. Ugh. QuoteWe'd be a helluva lot better off if more people were less willing to suck off of others. Well, if one could afford the insurance that would allow him to visit you earlier than at the last minute, he would more than likely do so. Until then he has no recourse, other than dying on your doorstep, than to suck off you. When one is looking at the cost of insurance vs the cost of having a place to live, the most immediate need gets satisfied first. That's not entirely true. There are community-based health centers, already easily accessible, who provide services to people without insurance. This is basic healthcare that is already funded by federal tax dollars. I know where they are in my area, and they're not hard to find. But people who cannot afford healthcare get care that is free to them at these clinics. If they come to my clinic, they pay something, though I'm happy with $5 a month if that's the best someone can do. There ARE ways to get basic healthcare paid for. Avenues are already in place. But people prefer to whine rather than use them.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 4 #43 February 3, 2011 Quote Its kind of hard to argue with them when you are gasping for air... in the worst pain I have ever felt in my life..scared shitless ( yeah.. not being able to breathe is kinda scary).. and then going out like a light from the pain. They did give me IV antibiotics and IV pain meds eventually but I was in the ER for an hour but I did not get any of that till I passed outI guess they thought I was joking... fuckers OMG! AN HOUR!!!!!! Wow... absolutely ridiculous. I waited for 6 hours (without pain med for the first 2) in Norway just to get a cast on my non displaced fracture of my medial malleolus (Ankle). While talking, mentioned I was looking to go to Med School. Several told me I should come to Norway, that they desperately needed doctors. People don't know how good they have it in this country... and yes, I was billed. Single trip, IHI covered it. : ) Quote So... you were, or were not intubated? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 4 #44 February 3, 2011 +1 Yup! And while you are there (Virginia Department of Health Clinic)... you can get free HIV and STD testing too! Gigitty Goo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #45 February 3, 2011 QuoteThat whole Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness thing WAS supposed to be what we as Americans strove for. True. And now it's Life, Liberty, and the Gravy Train. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 4 #46 February 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteThat whole Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness thing WAS supposed to be what we as Americans strove for. True. And now it's Life, Liberty, and the Gravy Train. Sigh Both of these statements... are heart breaking. Though, 4 years ago, I was an American Idiot. I didn't know any better either... Not only is there another definition for Happiness... the Pursuit of Happiness, was not in the original quote. It was changed, to, the Pursuit of Happiness. It was one word... Life, Liberty, and ?? But why was it changed? Who made the change? And why replace it with, the Pursuit of Happiness? Hm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #47 February 3, 2011 Quote Quote Quote I LOVE those folks who wait til they're damn near dead and then show up expecting us to jump in and save you at the last possible minute...lol. Ugh. Quote We'd be a helluva lot better off if more people were less willing to suck off of others. Well, if one could afford the insurance that would allow him to visit you earlier than at the last minute, he would more than likely do so. Until then he has no recourse, other than dying on your doorstep, than to suck off you. When one is looking at the cost of insurance vs the cost of having a place to live, the most immediate need gets satisfied first. That's not entirely true. There are community-based health centers, already easily accessible, who provide services to people without insurance. This is basic healthcare that is already funded by federal tax dollars. I know where they are in my area, and they're not hard to find. But people who cannot afford healthcare get care that is free to them at these clinics. If they come to my clinic, they pay something, though I'm happy with $5 a month if that's the best someone can do. There ARE ways to get basic healthcare paid for. Avenues are already in place. But people prefer to whine rather than use them. Well make up your mind...the g'ment subsidizing the ER hospital or subsidizing the health clinic...what's the difference? They, "those folks", are sucking off YOU but one way is OK with you and the other is not? Thank you, Janus. Or maybe you just wanted to post, "That's not entirely true." to try to convince someone you know what you're talking about. I dunno...you tell me.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #48 February 3, 2011 QuoteIt was one word... Life, Liberty, and ?? But why was it changed? Who made the change? And why replace it with, the Pursuit of Happiness? I'll take a shot at that "BEER" as it was originally put in by B. Franklin and later changed by Tammy Faye Baker.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #49 February 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat whole Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness thing WAS supposed to be what we as Americans strove for. True. And now it's Life, Liberty, and the Gravy Train. Sigh Both of these statements... are heart breaking. Though, 4 years ago, I was an American Idiot. I didn't know any better either... Not only is there another definition for Happiness... the Pursuit of Happiness, was not in the original quote. It was changed, to, the Pursuit of Happiness. It was one word... Life, Liberty, and ?? But why was it changed? Who made the change? And why replace it with, the Pursuit of Happiness? Hm... Was it? http://hnn.us/articles/46460.html . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #50 February 3, 2011 Quote Quote Its kind of hard to argue with them when you are gasping for air... in the worst pain I have ever felt in my life..scared shitless ( yeah.. not being able to breathe is kinda scary).. and then going out like a light from the pain. They did give me IV antibiotics and IV pain meds eventually but I was in the ER for an hour but I did not get any of that till I passed outI guess they thought I was joking... fuckers OMG! AN HOUR!!!!!! Wow... absolutely ridiculous. I waited for 6 hours (without pain med for the first 2) in Norway just to get a cast on my non displaced fracture of my medial malleolus (Ankle). While talking, mentioned I was looking to go to Med School. Several told me I should come to Norway, that they desperately needed doctors. People don't know how good they have it in this country... and yes, I was billed. Single trip, IHI covered it. : ) Quote So... you were, or were not intubated? Yeah... waking up with tubes sticking out of every oriface is such fucking fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
