doughboyshred 0 #101 December 27, 2010 Truth is verifiable. Or, more accurately, truth is a fact that has been verified. http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=truth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #102 December 27, 2010 QuoteTruth is verifiable. Or, more accurately, truth is a fact that has been verified. http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=truth Ya...and the next truth is that organisms live off arsenic, until it is found that perhaps they don't...at least not according to our truth.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doughboyshred 0 #103 December 27, 2010 A lie does not negate the definition of the word. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #104 December 27, 2010 QuoteA lie does not negate the definition of the word. Ok great...so science it not truth...thanks. I was starting to get worried about you guys.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doughboyshred 0 #105 December 27, 2010 Scientists can lie just as well as Christians. Just look at global warming. However, truth is supposed to be the basis for science, unlike the basis for religion, which is faith. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #106 December 27, 2010 QuoteGood luck with that. I have read the bible. It's a nice collection of stories, but it's no more then that. +1 I have read the bible too but it has been awhile. I don't think the stories were very "nice" at all. Most of them are horrible. Certainly not the sort of thing you should read to young children unless you seek to give them nightmares. Ancient scriptures reflect the times they were written, very dark and troubled times. There are some good messages included but most of it is an example of the superstitious beliefs of the day. The book of revelation is nothing more than the rantings of a madman. Crazy stuff for sure. The bible is no more real than the Silmarillion, it is just a story. The latter was better written and with more imagination. God doesn't write books, people write books.Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #107 December 27, 2010 Quote I have read the bible too but it has been awhile. I don't think the stories were very "nice" at all. Most of them are horrible. ya...I remember thinking wtf is this?but I remember saying to myself...you know, it's really not that different from today...maybe this book is relevant... ...and when I looked at it from that prespective, I was able to finally find the practicality that changed my life. Quote The book of revelation is nothing more than the rantings of a madman. Crazy stuff for sure. Not necessarilly man...what if you lived back in then in the ancient times and seen a vision of the future...what would a helicopter look like to you...how about a battleship...a submarine...meteorites? How would you describe it? Do you consider Nostradamus as a crazy man...I'm willing to bet you watched the history channel specials with enthusiasim...possibly hope. Quote The bible is no more real than the Silmarillion, it is just a story. The latter was better written and with more imagination. How deep have you studied it? apparently not much... even if you are a hardcore athiest that read the bible and believe the it is full of shit, you'd certainly say that the old testament was much more imaginative...that's just basic stuff... Quote God doesn't write books, people write books. true, but God inspired the books which explains why the prophets didn't even uderstand what they were writing when they wrote it...but we do now.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #108 December 27, 2010 You speak of the bible the same way a 5 year old speaks about Superman. In your eyes it is real and that is all that counts. It does not matter if it is true or not. The difference is the child grows up and realizes that Superman is not real.Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #109 December 27, 2010 QuoteYou speak of the bible the same way a 5 year old speaks about Superman. In your eyes it is real and that is all that counts. It does not matter if it is true or not. The difference is the child grows up and realizes that Superman is not real. Sorry...I was just trying to get a feel for who you are...it's hard to tell by your screen image... ...but thanks for not getting all defensive and answering my questions with rational discussion.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,445 #110 December 27, 2010 Quote I create things for a living (Art)...I don't necessarily believe in my creations as if my life depended on it. Yeah, but it ain't all about you, is it?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,445 #111 December 27, 2010 Quote...come on man...truth is in our heart. But you know in your heart that you only believe because you need re-assurance. So, really, you know that your stories are but mere fantasies.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,445 #112 December 27, 2010 QuoteQuoteA lie does not negate the definition of the word. Ok great...so science it not truth...thanks. No, science is not truth, it's science. But it is a much, much better way of finding things that are true than religion or faith.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #113 December 27, 2010 QuoteI dont believe in a god because yeah, theres no PROOF in it. Bible is jus a bunch of stories written by man, who are fallable. Why is their opinion any better than mine? Who says they are right and i am wrong? Just because an idea is popular dosent mean its right. History has proved that multiple times over. Some of the, hell ill go with MOST of the biggiest atrocities and genocidal events are/ were committed in the name of someones "god" or over some sort of difference in belief. So i choose not to believe in anything really. Just the way i personally am. I dont push my ideas on anyone and expect the same courtesy to be extended to me. Live and let live. So, where does the basis of right and wrong come from? One must have a standard, from which to judge. You know, you sound like Obama, saying that our country is nothing special. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #114 December 27, 2010 Are all you guys trying to talk Coreece out of his beliefs? Ask yourselves...Why?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #115 December 27, 2010 Quote Are all you guys trying to talk Coreece out of his beliefs? Ask yourselves...Why? I been wondering that for a while now!Mayeb just a defence mechnisim? I could give a shit if others believe as I do, (Athiest) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,445 #116 December 27, 2010 QuoteAre all you guys trying to talk Coreece out of his beliefs? Ask yourselves...Why? Why not? If he didn't want a debate he wouldn't be posting here.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #117 December 27, 2010 >>So, where does the basis of right and wrong come from? One must have a standard, from which to judge. I baffles me that people still think this is a good argument for the existence of (any) god. There is a clear evolutionary advantage to cooperating within and outside of our species. So, the basis of right and wrong clearly comes from actions that either help or hurt the survival of the species and, by extension, the individual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #118 December 27, 2010 Quote Quote I dont believe in a god because yeah, theres no PROOF in it. Bible is jus a bunch of stories written by man, who are fallable. Why is their opinion any better than mine? Who says they are right and i am wrong? Just because an idea is popular dosent mean its right. History has proved that multiple times over. Some of the, hell ill go with MOST of the biggiest atrocities and genocidal events are/ were committed in the name of someones "god" or over some sort of difference in belief. So i choose not to believe in anything really. Just the way i personally am. I dont push my ideas on anyone and expect the same courtesy to be extended to me. Live and let live. So, where does the basis of right and wrong come from? One must have a standard, from which to judge. You know, you sound like Obama, saying that our country is nothing special. You must fear burning in Hell forever to do right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #119 December 27, 2010 QuoteQuoteAre all you guys trying to talk Coreece out of his beliefs? Ask yourselves...Why? QuoteWhy not? That's no answer. Tell us WHY. QuoteIf he didn't want a debate he wouldn't be posting here. So...it's your perception that people only post here because they want to debate?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #120 December 27, 2010 QuoteAnd, once again, the prison demographics really support that argument, don't they? All those atheists breaking the law, doing whatever they want...A caller, on a radio show, recently pointed out the irony of the fact that liberals/progressives do all they can, to remove any mention of Christianity or religion, in general, from all children....Well, until they get sent to jail or prison from no moral guidance. Then, they are willing to throw bibles and preachers at them, by the droves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #121 December 27, 2010 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, where does the basis of right and wrong come from? One must have a standard, from which to judge. You know, you sound like Obama, saying that our country is nothing special. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteYou must fear burning in Hell forever to do right? Leave a child to its own resources, without some kind of guidance, and see what you get....Generally, a selfish, lying thief...Of course, they don't start lying, until they realize that what they've done is wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #122 December 27, 2010 >>So, where does the basis of right and wrong come from? One must have a standard, from which to judge. QuoteI baffles me that people still think this is a good argument for the existence of (any) god. There is a clear evolutionary advantage to cooperating within and outside of our species. So, the basis of right and wrong clearly comes from actions that either help or hurt the survival of the species and, by extension, the individual. Very interesting.Which side of the politcal equation, is most willing to prevent the propigation of the species? You know, it's those evil humans who are destroying our wonderful world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #123 December 27, 2010 QuoteNo, science is not truth, it's science. But it is a much, much better way of finding things that are true than religion or faith. Unless it's Climate Science and we all know how that turned out...They gave as much of a black eye to science, as did the Inquisition, to Christianity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,445 #124 December 27, 2010 QuoteThat's no answer. Tell us WHY. I post because it amuses me to do so. Do you have a problem with that? QuoteSo...it's your perception that people only post here because they want to debate? Not the only reason, but the main one. It is, after all, the raison d'etre of the forum itself. Coreece likes to try and persuade people that his book is really telling the truth, I like pointing out the flaws in his reasoning. Why do you think that logical flaws should pass by uncommented on for this particular subject only?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 235 #125 December 27, 2010 So...it's your perception that people only post here because they want to debate? I have it on good authority that some people post here simply to ridicule the patently idiotic. As far as talking anyone out of their beliefs goes, what is the percentage in that? Who cares what they think - assuming they do in the first place? If someone wants to believe in Leprechauns, that is their prerogative. It is also my right to laugh at them if they are dumb enough to come out and admit it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #120 December 27, 2010 QuoteAnd, once again, the prison demographics really support that argument, don't they? All those atheists breaking the law, doing whatever they want...A caller, on a radio show, recently pointed out the irony of the fact that liberals/progressives do all they can, to remove any mention of Christianity or religion, in general, from all children....Well, until they get sent to jail or prison from no moral guidance. Then, they are willing to throw bibles and preachers at them, by the droves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #121 December 27, 2010 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, where does the basis of right and wrong come from? One must have a standard, from which to judge. You know, you sound like Obama, saying that our country is nothing special. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteYou must fear burning in Hell forever to do right? Leave a child to its own resources, without some kind of guidance, and see what you get....Generally, a selfish, lying thief...Of course, they don't start lying, until they realize that what they've done is wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #122 December 27, 2010 >>So, where does the basis of right and wrong come from? One must have a standard, from which to judge. QuoteI baffles me that people still think this is a good argument for the existence of (any) god. There is a clear evolutionary advantage to cooperating within and outside of our species. So, the basis of right and wrong clearly comes from actions that either help or hurt the survival of the species and, by extension, the individual. Very interesting.Which side of the politcal equation, is most willing to prevent the propigation of the species? You know, it's those evil humans who are destroying our wonderful world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #123 December 27, 2010 QuoteNo, science is not truth, it's science. But it is a much, much better way of finding things that are true than religion or faith. Unless it's Climate Science and we all know how that turned out...They gave as much of a black eye to science, as did the Inquisition, to Christianity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,445 #124 December 27, 2010 QuoteThat's no answer. Tell us WHY. I post because it amuses me to do so. Do you have a problem with that? QuoteSo...it's your perception that people only post here because they want to debate? Not the only reason, but the main one. It is, after all, the raison d'etre of the forum itself. Coreece likes to try and persuade people that his book is really telling the truth, I like pointing out the flaws in his reasoning. Why do you think that logical flaws should pass by uncommented on for this particular subject only?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 235 #125 December 27, 2010 So...it's your perception that people only post here because they want to debate? I have it on good authority that some people post here simply to ridicule the patently idiotic. As far as talking anyone out of their beliefs goes, what is the percentage in that? Who cares what they think - assuming they do in the first place? If someone wants to believe in Leprechauns, that is their prerogative. It is also my right to laugh at them if they are dumb enough to come out and admit it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
