I Predict Unemployment to Now Improve

[skyrider 0]

Their meal ticket extension now gone, My bet is they get off the couch and go find a job!

[airdvr 197]

You know the liberals here will have kittens over this. I personally know 2 people who have milked the system for all it's worth...that means they could have been seeking employment but chose not to or, in the second case worked under the table. While it's not a blanket problem I suspect there is alot of it going on.

Please don't dent the planet.

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I personally know 2 people who have milked the system for all it's worth..

I know 4 that didn't look for jack until the very end also. My lazy ass cousin surprised me though. He found a new job after 4 weeks. I thought for sure he would ride those checks till the very end.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[billvon 2,396]

> I Predict Unemployment to Now Improve

I predict it will improve as well, but for a more boring reason - because it is improving, and that trend is likely to continue as the economy recovers.

[firemedic 7]

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> I Predict Unemployment to Now Improve

I predict it will improve as well, but for a more boring reason - because it is improving, and that trend is likely to continue as the economy recovers.

I sure hope you're right. My wife has been layed off for almost 2 years. She's put about 80 resumes out and done 15 interviews. She got close a couple times, like being in the final 3 but so far, No luck.

[Bolas 5]

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I personally know 2 people who have milked the system for all it's worth..

I know 4 that didn't look for jack until the very end also. My lazy ass cousin surprised me though. He found a new job after 4 weeks. I thought for sure he would ride those checks till the very end.

While there are indeed moral dilemmas for some in riding unemployment, the fact remains it's not illegal unless they are working under the table.

Depending on how much they are getting versus how they'd make at a new job minus travel, food, and other work related expense it may make economic sense to not work until it runs out.

Perhaps rather than give unemployment, which essentially is rewarding people for not working, we simply call in transition and make it a fixed time length after being laid off, regardless of their future employment.

If they get another job before it runs out, it helps them possibly catch up on bills or even get ahead.

Obviously there would need to be some sort of protections put in place so people couldn't just get laid off and collect every time they changed jobs.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[kelpdiver 2]

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> I Predict Unemployment to Now Improve

I predict it will improve as well, but for a more boring reason - because it is improving, and that trend is likely to continue as the economy recovers.

well, the most likely reason (and a lame one) is that these people will be deemed no longer trying and therefore not unemployed anymore. While Reagan introduced this, we have already seen from Cash for Clunkers that the Obama Administration will happily make use of such tactics.

That said...there's still a lot of stimupork dollars out there for all those projects that were "shovel ready" in 2009, right? Reagan also made sure the economy was on a nice trajectory for his 1984 reelection, after two lousy years in 81-82.

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Their meal ticket extension now gone, My bet is they get off the couch and go find a job!

You cant really feel that way about the 99ers. My mom is one of them. She has been looking for work everyday for the last 3 years. This isnt like welfare people not looking for work.

Dom

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While there are indeed moral dilemmas for some in riding unemployment, the fact remains it's not illegal unless they are working under the table.

Depending on how much they are getting versus how they'd make at a new job minus travel, food, and other work related expense it may make economic sense to not work until it runs out.

Actually it may well be illegal not to look for or accept suitable work when you are collecting unemployment. Enforcement is pretty spotty in my experience. The following are from my state's employment commission website but other state qualifications are similar:



You must be able to work and be available to work. Most claimants are required to make an active search for work. If directed to make an active search for work, you must register with your local job services through the VEC or a workforce services agency where you live if you live outside Virginia. If the VEC has directed you to look for work, you must contact several employers each week in your effort to find work. Note: Responses to blind ads or telephone calls to employers are not acceptable as job contacts. You must maintain complete and accurate records of your work search contacts for one year, for auditing purposes. You must provide the VEC, when requested, the following information that is subject to verification:
§ Month, day, year of contact;
§ Complete name of employer contacted;
§ Complete address (street, P.O. box number, city, state, zip code) of employer contacted;
§ First and last name of the individual for the employer/company with whom you talked;
§ Telephone number of the employer/company contacted;
§ Type of work or position for which you applied; and
§ Result of contact.

3. You must be willing to accept suitable work if offered and apply for suitable work when referred to a job by the VEC or your workforce services agency if you live outside Virginia. The term suitable work takes into account many factors such as previous work experience, physical and mental fitness, risk to your health, safety, or morals, and the distance from your home. Conditions of the work offered, such as wages and hours, are also considered. If you refuse a job or a VEC/workforce services agency referral to a job, the deputy will review the suitability of the work and your reason(s) for refusing it before issuing a determination on your continuing eligibility.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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I personally know 2 people who have milked the system for all it's worth..

I know 4 that didn't look for jack until the very end also. My lazy ass cousin surprised me though. He found a new job after 4 weeks. I thought for sure he would ride those checks till the very end.

Gee I lost my job at that little software place East of Seattle on 22 OCT 2010.

I started my new gig with a $30K a year raise the following Monday.

I think people who "milk" the system are just dumbasses. I like my lifestyle.. and I am willing to work to afford that. It seems to work out pretty good for me
The problem is that there are a LOT of people out there that need that safety net THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING INTO FOR YEARS.

Until those who have done so incredibly well in the BILLIONS of dollars a year decide to trickle on the little people though the pain will go on.

Help those who need help( and there are LOTS of them) and those who do rip off the system.. they need to be legally knee capped.

[futuredivot 0]

THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING INTO FOR YEARS.

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In SC, the employer pays, not the employee

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[stitch 0]

How about people that are forced into a lay-off because a certain but nessecary work certification that they hold has been suspened by the goverment ? All for an incident that happened over 20 years ago before the certification even existed. So bascally the goverment is telling us they don't want us to work.

"No cookies for you"- GFD
"I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65
Don't be a "Racer Hater"

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THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING INTO FOR YEARS.

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In SC, the employer pays, not the employee

Hey its not my fault. Its a part of doing business and hiring good people. Other places it is mutual..

You want all you EARN and nothing goes into those nasty socialist rainy day fund????

Tough fucking shit when it starts to pour there Bubba.

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Actually it may well be illegal not to look for or accept suitable work when you are collecting unemployment. Enforcement is pretty spotty in my experience.

Ah yes, the ol' "let's just make it illegal even though we have no real way to uniformly enforce"

Plus now additional people have to be hired to audit, track, and enforce. Depending on how much the service costs are, a certain number of people would have to be caught and found guilty and benefits removed just to to break even. Then if it's deemed a jailable offense, additional expenses. crazy]

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Bolas 5]

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How about people that are forced into a lay-off because a certain but nessecary work certification that they hold has been suspened by the goverment ? All for an incident that happened over 20 years ago before the certification even existed. So bascally the goverment is telling us they don't want us to work.

If it was based on strictly being laid off and not future employment, they'd get the full amount and length of transition pay which may enable them to fight to get their cert back so they can be reinstated or go elsewhere.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[futuredivot 0]

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THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING INTO FOR YEARS.

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In SC, the employer pays, not the employee

Hey its not my fault. Its a part of doing business and hiring good people. Other places it is mutual..

You want all you EARN and nothing goes into those nasty socialist rainy day fund????

Tough fucking shit when it starts to pour there Bubba.

Just asking for clarification-no intent to bunch your panties or rain on you entitlement parade.
But since you ask, sure-give me a private option and I'd take it. I tend to make better choices with my money that the govt does.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[Bolas 5]

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Gee I lost my job at that little software place East of Seattle on 22 OCT 2010.

I started my new gig with a $30K a year raise the following Monday.

I think people who "milk" the system are just dumbasses.

You would not get transition pay.

I think complaining about those milking a system that can be so easily milked is pointless. Change the system so it can't be milked how it's been being milked is the solution.

Additionally the less complex the requirements, the less opportunities for abuse.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[stitch 0]

That's exactly what is happening. I would hereby like to thank all of the US taxpayers for my paid 3 month vacation. I love you all. MUAH !!

"No cookies for you"- GFD
"I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65
Don't be a "Racer Hater"

[Amazon 7]

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THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING INTO FOR YEARS.

??????

In SC, the employer pays, not the employee

Hey its not my fault. Its a part of doing business and hiring good people. Other places it is mutual..

You want all you EARN and nothing goes into those nasty socialist rainy day fund????

Tough fucking shit when it starts to pour there Bubba.

Just asking for clarification-no intent to bunch your panties or rain on you entitlement parade.
But since you ask, sure-give me a private option and I'd take it. I tend to make better choices with my money that the govt does.

Yeah how would that have worked out for retirees had SS been privatized years ago and now they have lost everything because they chose the "wrong" investment portfolio.

I think we have seen how well that can be managed by ordinary people and their investments huh.

Sure.. I trust you to manage your money... well except when you get swindled out of it all by those who are too big to fail. We just saw the end game of those on Wall Street who can transfer the wealth of Main Street over to Wall Street on a scale never seen before.

Who are YOU going to turn to when your investments don't quite pan out as you thought they would???

Is the New Social Security that you on the extreme right propose going to come with a handgun to use as your own private death panel the next time Wall Street and the large banks decide to bleed the system of all value again and millions of Americans have nothing to fall back on???

Hey folks... good luck in Divot and Jerrys Dog World

[Southern_Man 0]

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Actually it may well be illegal not to look for or accept suitable work when you are collecting unemployment. Enforcement is pretty spotty in my experience.

Ah yes, the ol' "let's just make it illegal even though we have no real way to uniformly enforce"

Plus now additional people have to be hired to audit, track, and enforce. Depending on how much the service costs are, a certain number of people would have to be caught and found guilty and benefits removed just to to break even. Then if it's deemed a jailable offense, additional expenses. crazy]

Well, I really only posted to point out that what you posted may not be factually correct. I am certainly not defending the system.

I know people here (not Bolas specifically) are loathe to let facts get in the way of a rant, though.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[Bolas 5]

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THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING INTO FOR YEARS.

??????

In SC, the employer pays, not the employee

Hey its not my fault. Its a part of doing business and hiring good people. Other places it is mutual..

You want all you EARN and nothing goes into those nasty socialist rainy day fund????

Tough fucking shit when it starts to pour there Bubba.

Just asking for clarification-no intent to bunch your panties or rain on you entitlement parade.
But since you ask, sure-give me a private option and I'd take it. I tend to make better choices with my money that the govt does.

Yeah how would that have worked out for retirees had SS been privatized years ago and now they have lost everything because they chose the "wrong" investment portfolio.

I think we have seen how well that can be managed by ordinary people and their investments huh.

Sure.. I trust you to manage your money... well except when you get swindled out of it all by those who are too big to fail. We just saw the end game of those on Wall Street who can transfer the wealth of Main Street over to Wall Street on a scale never seen before.

Who are YOU going to turn to when your investments don't quite pan out as you thought they would???

Is the New Social Security that you on the extreme right propose going to come with a handgun to use as your own private death panel the next time Wall Street and the large banks decide to bleed the system of all value again and millions of Americans have nothing to fall back on???

Hey folks... good luck in Divot and Jerrys Dog World

I'd much rather have a private system (even a mandated one) that I controlled where the contributions went than a government mandated and controlled system that has no real money and now pays out by cashing in IOUs.

I'm not counting on getting a dime of Social Security and think most younger people should expect the same.

As for the "too big to fail": I think my position on bailouts, subsidies, and handouts is pretty obvious. NO to all!!!

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING INTO FOR YEARS.

??????

In SC, the employer pays, not the employee

Hey its not my fault. Its a part of doing business and hiring good people. Other places it is mutual..

You want all you EARN and nothing goes into those nasty socialist rainy day fund????

Tough fucking shit when it starts to pour there Bubba.

Just asking for clarification-no intent to bunch your panties or rain on you entitlement parade.
But since you ask, sure-give me a private option and I'd take it. I tend to make better choices with my money that the govt does.

Yeah how would that have worked out for retirees had SS been privatized years ago and now they have lost everything because they chose the "wrong" investment portfolio.

I think we have seen how well that can be managed by ordinary people and their investments huh.

Sure.. I trust you to manage your money... well except when you get swindled out of it all by those who are too big to fail. We just saw the end game of those on Wall Street who can transfer the wealth of Main Street over to Wall Street on a scale never seen before.

Who are YOU going to turn to when your investments don't quite pan out as you thought they would???

Is the New Social Security that you on the extreme right propose going to come with a handgun to use as your own private death panel the next time Wall Street and the large banks decide to bleed the system of all value again and millions of Americans have nothing to fall back on???

Hey folks... good luck in Divot and Jerrys Dog World

I'd much rather have a private system (even a mandated one) that I controlled where the contributions went than a government mandated and controlled system that has no real money and now pays out by cashing in IOUs.

I'm not counting on getting a dime of Social Security and think most younger people should expect the same.

As for the "too big to fail": I think my position on bailouts, subsidies, and handouts is pretty obvious. NO to all!!!

Those IOUs are working out pretty good for me but I've been making them good since 1960. I weep for the future though.

The older I get the less I care who I piss off.

[Amazon 7]

There is a fairly simple way to make it solvent...


DONT HAVE EXCELLENT ADVENTURES IN IRAQ for fun and profit.

I have a certain amount of money that comes in every month. I do not spend all of it. I put some away .. I invest some... and I keep my defense spending to a resonable amount for training and "contingencies"

I have not invaded a poorly armed Canada just to my north nor have I seen fit to go protect all those conservatives on the southern border... if they want to protect themselves let them do it themselves.


At some point people are going to have to realize that the promised trickles have not occured and they will do something about it.

A good start is to actully put that money away where NOONE gets to touch it to make SS solvent.

[BaronVonBoll 0]

Hey They mandated that we all must have health insurance or get fined... why not make it illegal to be unemployed as well...that would solve the unemployment problem...Right?

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There is a fairly simple way to make it solvent...


DONT HAVE EXCELLENT ADVENTURES IN IRAQ for fun and profit.

I have a certain amount of money that comes in every month. I do not spend all of it. I put some away .. I invest some... and I keep my defense spending to a resonable amount for training and "contingencies"

I have not invaded a poorly armed Canada just to my north nor have I seen fit to go protect all those conservatives on the southern border... if they want to protect themselves let them do it themselves.


At some point people are going to have to realize that the promised trickles have not occured and they will do something about it.

A good start is to actully put that money away where NOONE gets to touch it to make SS solvent.

Another solution would be if having a war for profit, actually profit from it versus just letting the companies do that. Our military could easily become self sustaining simply by charging companies and countries for extraction and/or security services.

Step 1 of getting out of debt is closing the checkbook for a bit and seeing what can find a way to sustain itself.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.