California's Proposition 19. Legal Weed!! What's everyone think?

[billvon 2,881]

ODS, it's a terrible thing.

[Nightingale 0]

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I just wanted to see what everyone thinks about California's Prop 19. This would be the first state to legalize weed with similar propositions proposed in 10 other states. What does everyone on dz.com think about it?

I'm voting yes.

My prediction:

The mists are clearing from Nightingale's crystal ball.... I see.....

The same thing will happen that happened when we legalized medical marijuana. The feds will shriek and howl, people will make dire predictions about how the state will go to hell in a handbasket.

The feds will demand California enforce federal law. California will say "It's your law. YOU enforce it." The feds will try, probably busting a few distribution locations. Then, they'll realize it's prohibitively expensive and adopt an unofficial policy of "we can't see you!", which will eventually become an official policy.

And people will look around and find that there are no lakes of fire or handbaskets in sight.

And then another state will legalize. And another. And eventually the federal government will want a piece of the pie too, so it will be removed from the banned list and there will be an import tax.

Everyone will be, if not happy, accepting of the situation, and the world isn't going to end.

[futuredivot 0]

You need to polish the ball better.

Since there are already so many routes established for grass that by-pass the law, legal weed will have to be pretty cheap from the source to bear the tax burden. which it will be. That will drive the price down from traditional suppliers to compete. That will drive the smaller, family dope operations out of business. That will lead to multi-hectacre conglomerate farms grow pot looking only at production per acre and not quality of buzz. But since they produce so much they will dominate the market. No longer will individual farmers produce the best grass they can and the only stuff available will be no better than ditch weed.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[normiss 754]

I'm willing to bet not.
There will be many "flavors" to choose from I think.

Much like fine wines, whiskeys, and cigars.
There's also Wild Turkey, MD 20/20, and Swisher Sweets.

[Nightingale 0]

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You need to polish the ball better.

Since there are already so many routes established for grass that by-pass the law, legal weed will have to be pretty cheap from the source to bear the tax burden. which it will be. That will drive the price down from traditional suppliers to compete. That will drive the smaller, family dope operations out of business. That will lead to multi-hectacre conglomerate farms grow pot looking only at production per acre and not quality of buzz. But since they produce so much they will dominate the market. No longer will individual farmers produce the best grass they can and the only stuff available will be no better than ditch weed.

Nah... Even when it comes to alcohol, there's always a market for small vineyards and microbrews. There are always people willing to pay for quality, which would allow those mom-and-pop pot farmers to charge a premium, and let the Coors Lite chugging stoners buy the cheap stuff.

[TheBachelor 5]

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As long as a persons use does not hurt others, I don't care.

Tax it.

Do not allow people to sue over the damage done to their lungs.

It would reduce the jail population and increase tax revenue.

The argument that it would raise significant amounts of tax revenue is an interesting one. The Wall Street Journal made an important point in a recent article: Selling marijuana is a federal crime, and the Administration has said they will continue to enforce the drug laws. So how many people are going to admit on their tax returns that they're committing a felony?

There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years...

[rhaig 0]

I'd be interested to see this article and see what they were referring to.

Because the tax on smokes right now is some amount per pack right ? Do smokers claim that on their income tax as a deduction for tax paid? And even if they did, it's still been paid to the state that levied the tax.

If they're talking about a federal tax on pot, that would imply federal legalization. Are we drifting the conversation that way?

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Rob

[kelpdiver 2]

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The argument that it would raise significant amounts of tax revenue is an interesting one. The Wall Street Journal made an important point in a recent article: Selling marijuana is a federal crime, and the Administration has said they will continue to enforce the drug laws. So how many people are going to admit on their tax returns that they're committing a felony?

the proposed tax revenue is being charged at the local (city in some cases, as well as state) level. For the 1040, put down "farming income."

Eric Holder's tough words over the weekend do strike a blow at the measure, and may be used to push support down a few points. (Wonder if the Mexican cartels just make some PAC donations)

[gjhdiver 0]

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I have now been straight, clean and sober for over 27 years. The first thing the Lord showed me was in reference to marijuana. Namely, it is a corruption of the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Translation - I was once fucked up on drugs, now I'm fucked up on religion.

You just changed your crutch is all.

[Nightingale 0]

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I have now been straight, clean and sober for over 27 years. The first thing the Lord showed me was in reference to marijuana. Namely, it is a corruption of the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Translation - I was once fucked up on drugs, now I'm fucked up on religion.

You just changed your crutch is all.

Using marijuana or not using it should be his choice. Ditto with going to church. Whether or not you think that's f-ed up is irrelevant.

[diverborg 0]

Never touched the stuff, but why we spend so much of our resources fighting this stuff is beyond me.

Might even help with some of our border issues we just legalize the crap.

I can't understand why I can get a prescription for Ambien (a very dangerous drug) to help solve a sleep disorder, but can't smoke a plant I can grow in my garden.

[RonD1120 60]

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I have now been straight, clean and sober for over 27 years. The first thing the Lord showed me was in reference to marijuana. Namely, it is a corruption of the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Translation - I was once fucked up on drugs, now I'm fucked up on religion.

You just changed your crutch is all.

You are right. Jesus is the ALL. He is the crutch that never fails. He is closer than my prayers to ask for comfort, assistance or physical strength. He never gets down to stems and seeds. He provides the peace that surpasses all understanding.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[turtlespeed 212]

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What someone chooses to do in private is their business.

So a little LSD while he's at a party, the night before he drives that bus with your kids in it is ok . . . well untill that flashback occurs.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 2,881]

>So a little LSD while he's at a party, the night before he drives that bus
>with your kids in it is ok . . . well untill that flashback occurs.

Nope. That's no more OK that driving drunk. Yet many bus drivers manage to drink occasionally and still not kill every child on the bus.

[turtlespeed 212]

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>So a little LSD while he's at a party, the night before he drives that bus
>with your kids in it is ok . . . well untill that flashback occurs.

Nope. That's no more OK that driving drunk. Yet many bus drivers manage to drink occasionally and still not kill every child on the bus.

How many flashback from alcohol have you been informed about.

Ever heard of anyone just doing their every day routine and then POW - they are drunk again?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[DaVinci 0]

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The argument that it would raise significant amounts of tax revenue is an interesting one.

The local and State taxes would still be collected and the Federal Rules would not matter.

The growers would be a good question (and the one you raised) but, we already have growers for the medical supply that is already out there.

[headoverheels 330]

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What someone chooses to do in private is their business.

So a little LSD while he's at a party, the night before he drives that bus with your kids in it is ok . . . well untill that flashback occurs.

Last time I checked, LSD was not in Prop 19.

[turtlespeed 212]

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What someone chooses to do in private is their business.

So a little LSD while he's at a party, the night before he drives that bus with your kids in it is ok . . . well untill that flashback occurs.

Last time I checked, LSD was not in Prop 19.

He wasn't specific -

See the first quoted post at the top of this reply.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[doughboyshred 0]

your poll is flawed.

There needs to be an additional option.

Weed can be harmful, just like all drugs, but it's not the governments responsibility to tell me what I can and can not do.

It seems so contrary to me that Republicans who claim to be all about personal responsibility when it comes to most everything turn a 180 when it comes to drugs. Well, unless big pharma is involved.

[doughboyshred 0]

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I wish the people who have been smoking and snorting this stuff a speedy recovery. Facing reality after an addiction can be so difficult.

Weed is a mental addiction, it is not physical (though nothing about filling your lungs with smoke is good). Twice in my life I went from being an everyday weed smoker to someone who stopped. It's a habit that can be kicked, you just need to take it away and the temptation to do it ceases. IMHO weed should be legalized and regulated the same way tobacco and alcohol are regulated and taxed. Drugs like cocaine on the other hand are a completely different can of worms and I do NOT support legalizing them.

So only drugs that you think are o.k. should be legal.

Such a hypocritical view point that is shared by so many people.

Either the government has the right to control each citizens life down to the minutiae of how they get high, or they don't.

Furthermore, just because cocaine is more dangerous than pot (and maybe alcohol) doesn't mean that prohibition of it is any more successful than prohibition of less harmful substances.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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I just wanted to see what everyone thinks about California's Prop 19. This would be the first state to legalize weed with similar propositions proposed in 10 other states. What does everyone on dz.com think about it?

We need to pass Prop 19

1. To protect the children. It's easier for children to get marijuana than harmful substances like alcohol and tobacco since there's a smaller jump from making illegal sales to adults to illegal sales to children than legal adult sales to illegal juvenile sales.

2. To fight terrorism. With locally grown and produced marijuana we'll be funding local farmers not international terrorists.

3. To reduce gun violence. Mexican drug lords aren't killing people over legal substances like alcohol and tobacco.

[plorensen 0]

Theres nothing better than a 40oz old english and a fatty of the good ole mexi shwag

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Theres nothing better than a 40oz old english and a fatty of the good ole mexi shwag

22oz micro-brew and your favorite flavor of high-end hydroponic chronic.

[Amazon 7]

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What someone chooses to do in private is their business.

So a little LSD while he's at a party, the night before he drives that bus with your kids in it is ok . . . well untill that flashback occurs.

I am wondering how often you mave mental flashbacks... to "Reefer Madness"

[petejones45 0]

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just wanted to see what everyone thinks about California's Prop 19. This would be the first state to legalize weed with similar propositions proposed in 10 other states. What does everyone on dz.com think about it?

Doesn't matter, its still illegal federally so you can get busted anytime. Same thing with medicinal mj

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