BartsDaddy 4 #76 August 11, 2015 Amazon***Bless your heart. I think people should be classified by their chromosomes; XX = Female, XY = Male. Have a blessed day. Not always..... several anomalies exist so are those gods mistakes?? from Wiki Klinefelter syndrome is one of the most common chromosomal disorders, occurring in 1:500 to 1:1000 live male births.[4][8] It is named after Harry Klinefelter who identified the condition in the 1940s.[9] 1956 saw the identification of the extra X chromosome.[10] Mice also can have the XXY syndrome, making them a useful research model.[11] 48, XXYY syndrome is a sex chromosome anomaly in which males have an extra X and Y chromosome. Human cells usually contain two sex chromosomes, one from the mother and one from the father. Usually, females have two X chromosomes (XX) and males have one X and one Y chromosome (XY). The appearance of at least one Y chromosome with a properly functioning SRY gene makes a male. Therefore, XXYY normally only affects males. Males affected with XXYY syndrome have 48 chromosomes instead of the typical 46. This is why XXYY syndrome is sometimes written as 48, XXYY syndrome. It is estimated that XXYY affects one in every 18,000–40,000 male births. Very interesting. I am asking this out of ignorance is there any studies of these people through there life? As to sexual preference, stability of holding a job ,friendships, family connection? And no I do not mean this in any derogatory way. I am truely interested. Amazon you suprise me with some of your knowledge. I only wish you could put it across in less offensive ways. This post excluded, very well done. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #77 August 11, 2015 BartsDaddy******Bless your heart. I think people should be classified by their chromosomes; XX = Female, XY = Male. Have a blessed day. Not always..... several anomalies exist so are those gods mistakes?? from Wiki Klinefelter syndrome is one of the most common chromosomal disorders, occurring in 1:500 to 1:1000 live male births.[4][8] It is named after Harry Klinefelter who identified the condition in the 1940s.[9] 1956 saw the identification of the extra X chromosome.[10] Mice also can have the XXY syndrome, making them a useful research model.[11] 48, XXYY syndrome is a sex chromosome anomaly in which males have an extra X and Y chromosome. Human cells usually contain two sex chromosomes, one from the mother and one from the father. Usually, females have two X chromosomes (XX) and males have one X and one Y chromosome (XY). The appearance of at least one Y chromosome with a properly functioning SRY gene makes a male. Therefore, XXYY normally only affects males. Males affected with XXYY syndrome have 48 chromosomes instead of the typical 46. This is why XXYY syndrome is sometimes written as 48, XXYY syndrome. It is estimated that XXYY affects one in every 18,000–40,000 male births. Very interesting. I am asking this out of ignorance is there any studies of these people through there life? As to sexual preference, stability of holding a job ,friendships, family connection? And no I do not mean this in any derogatory way. I am truely interested. Amazon you suprise me with some of your knowledge. I only wish you could put it across in less offensive ways. This post excluded, very well done. I knew a woman and her husband in Portland when I lived there who had the first type 47 XXY Kleinfelters. They were members of a support group and their friends were all over the spectrum as far as sexual identity, gender identity and sexual orientation. Some were very religious.... some were not. Some were very well off others were barely solvent and had "issues". They were on a different path thru what we call life. The barbeques at their farm were exceedingly interesting from a people watching standpoint. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abedy 0 #78 August 11, 2015 AnvilbrotherI always preferred the term for tranny's as "beaver with a kick stand" myself. For heaven's sake, really, you have realized that trans women are women, are human beings? To me, this term of yours is at least not an affirmative one. Just consider me a woman, howzat? Hugs from Germany, HannahThe sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abedy 0 #79 August 11, 2015 RonD1120 Bless your heart. I think people should be classified by their chromosomes; XX = Female, XY = Male. Have a blessed day. Thanks for your kindness, I really mean and appreciate this. As for chromosomes, life isn't that simple. It is true that a very great percentage of women bear XX chromosomes but as it has already been shown, this isn't the complete picture. I'd like to point out ONE of many more facets of life's diversity: Women with CAIS - complete androgen immunity syndrome. When they are born, the physician looks between their leg, sees a vag and announces a girl being born. We all start female in the womb, you know. And if you happen to be immune to androgens (testosterone the most important one) your body keeps developing female as much as possible. Which means the outer genitalia don't develop into a pecker and a scrotum. It often takes until check-ups to find out why the girl doesn't start menstruating to find there are no uterus, ovaries etc. These so-called XY-women are women, nevertheless. There have even been XY-women who had children! So there are many more facets, and that is why you need to consider: Sex - what is between your legs, Gender - what is between your ears. You can also say sex is who you go to bed with and gender is who you go to bed as. Sex and gender go together in about 99% but this doesn't mean the at least 1% who happen to be trans or inter are anomalies -- we are just part of how diverse and rich life is. Here is an interesting article from a Conservative website, by a scientist, that elaborates in detail about many more biological aspects: http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/07/15377/ This article from the Globe and Mail which also isn't a socialist newspaper (but yeah, to some 'muricans already its being Canadian makes it a suspicious source ) which also gives some insight: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/think-gender-comes-down-to-x-and-y-chromosomes-think-again/article24811543/ Best wishes from the other side of the Atlantic, Hannah The sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #80 August 11, 2015 Folks, I looked in the dictionary, and this post, in this thread, was given as the example under the definition of "class." Thanks, Hannah Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #81 August 11, 2015 I have very strong opinions regarding trannys I strongly favor your basic 5-speed, but sort of miss the three-on-the-tree. My daily driver has an automatic, which I tolerate since the car was free (hey, if the price is right it's all good). I have limited experience with paddle shifters, but they appear to work. At significant Mach numbers, the fewer the distractions, the better. As you were. Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #82 August 11, 2015 wmw999Folks, I looked in the dictionary, and this post, in this thread, was given as the example under the definition of "class." Oh my kumba fucking ya... Her post mentioned looking between one's legs to see a "vag," and referred to a penis as a "pecker." Now, while I don't think there is anything wrong with that, I certainly wouldn't use it to illustrate the model definition of " class," lol... ...also, just an observation...it's interesting how there seems to be this push to have everyone accept transexuals for who they are, when transexuals don't even accept themselves for who they are, and start lopping off body parts.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #83 August 11, 2015 Coreeece ...also, just an observation...it's interesting how there seems to be this push to have everyone accept transexuals for who they are, when transexuals don't even accept themselves for who they are, and start lopping off body parts. Hahahaha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #84 August 11, 2015 >.also, just an observation...it's interesting how there seems to be this push to >have everyone accept transexuals for who they are, when transexuals don't >even accept themselves for who they are, and start lopping off body parts. I know several transsexuals who are quite happy with who they are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #85 August 12, 2015 billvon>.also, just an observation...it's interesting how there seems to be this push to >have everyone accept transexuals for who they are, when transexuals don't >even accept themselves for who they are, and start lopping off body parts. I know several transsexuals who are quite happy with who they are. Before or after they added or removed the bit parts?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #86 August 12, 2015 Amazon***Bless your heart. I think people should be classified by their chromosomes; XX = Female, XY = Male. Have a blessed day. Not always..... several anomalies exist so are those gods mistakes?? from Wiki Klinefelter syndrome is one of the most common chromosomal disorders, occurring in 1:500 to 1:1000 live male births.[4][8] It is named after Harry Klinefelter who identified the condition in the 1940s.[9] 1956 saw the identification of the extra X chromosome.[10] Mice also can have the XXY syndrome, making them a useful research model.[11] 48, XXYY syndrome is a sex chromosome anomaly in which males have an extra X and Y chromosome. Human cells usually contain two sex chromosomes, one from the mother and one from the father. Usually, females have two X chromosomes (XX) and males have one X and one Y chromosome (XY). The appearance of at least one Y chromosome with a properly functioning SRY gene makes a male. Therefore, XXYY normally only affects males. Males affected with XXYY syndrome have 48 chromosomes instead of the typical 46. This is why XXYY syndrome is sometimes written as 48, XXYY syndrome. It is estimated that XXYY affects one in every 18,000–40,000 male births. That is simple then. Even if there were instances of xxxxxxy or xyyyyyy, the classification should be chromosonal. Xx, Xy, Xxy, xyy, Xxyy, yyyy, xxxx, whatever. It seems very logical that way.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #87 August 12, 2015 >Before or after they added or removed the bit parts? After. Only knew one before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #88 August 12, 2015 billvon>Before or after they added or removed the bit parts? After. Only knew one before. So his statement is correct then.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #89 August 12, 2015 >So his statement is correct then. I have to wonder if he had any body parts lopped off, and if he was unhappy with his body before that . . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #90 August 12, 2015 billvon>So his statement is correct then. I have to wonder if he had any body parts lopped off, and if he was unhappy with his body before that . . . . Why do you have to wonder that?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #91 August 12, 2015 turtlespeed***>So his statement is correct then. I have to wonder if he had any body parts lopped off, and if he was unhappy with his body before that . . . . Why do you have to wonder that? Are you going to go Hillary Clinton on us next??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #92 August 12, 2015 turtlespeed***>So his statement is correct then. I have to wonder if he had any body parts lopped off, and if he was unhappy with his body before that . . . . Why do you have to wonder that? Because getting a hair cut, clipping my toenails, and snipping a bit of foreskin would make me a hypocrite - Cuz, you know - they're exactly the same thing!Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #93 August 12, 2015 People need to understand that eventually Jesus Christ will look at you for who you are in relation to Him, not what you thought you were in your own mind. He sees you as the gender you were born and evaluates your relationship. Jesus will not send you to eternal death. You will go there on your own.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #94 August 12, 2015 Ron, you're ascribing to Jesus feelings that you have. If a criminal can get to Heaven by accepting Jesus into his or her life after a life of crime, why can't a non-criminal, kind, transgender person accept Jesus as well? And if a person has a chemical and hormonal makeup that makes life as the "assigned" gender intolerable, do you really think that a loving Jesus would have them be the same in Heaven? I think we should leave parsing rules exactly to God, and not try to do it for Him. There is not a lot of clarity about transgender and chromosomal differences in the Bible. There is, however, quite a bit about loving-kindness. Wendy P. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abedy 0 #95 August 12, 2015 Mandy, thanks so much for your replies. Hugs, Hannah The sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #96 August 12, 2015 wmw999 Ron, you're ascribing to Jesus feelings that you have. If a criminal can get to Heaven by accepting Jesus into his or her life after a life of crime, why can't a non-criminal, kind, transgender person accept Jesus as well? And if a person has a chemical and hormonal makeup that makes life as the "assigned" gender intolerable, do you really think that a loving Jesus would have them be the same in Heaven? I think we should leave parsing rules exactly to God, and not try to do it for Him. There is not a lot of clarity about transgender and chromosomal differences in the Bible. There is, however, quite a bit about loving-kindness. Wendy P. Wendy P. Wow, you doubled up on yourself, are you coming out as a dual personality and really aggressively agree with yourself?Why not just use scientific classifications, chromosomal distinctions should work just fine.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abedy 0 #97 August 12, 2015 Coreeece ...also, just an observation...it's interesting how there seems to be this push to have everyone accept transexuals for who they are, when transexuals don't even accept themselves for who they are, and start lopping off body parts. First of all I think it is a pity that you make cheap remarks to ridicule Wendy's comment. If you think about it seriously you may realise why she wrote this. Personally, I am sorry that you feel "pushed to accepting" (which isn't possible, you surely mean "to tolerate" as "to accept" comes from within) other human being for who they are. I am so sorry I inconvenience you by not leading the life I was ...oh wait... I was pushed into by society. I dunno how you come to the idea that transgender people "don't accept themselves." It is just this accepting themselves, this no longer pretending to be someone you were pushed into, this embracing of your true identity that leads to happiness, authenticity and inner calm. Please read the first post in the thread I started when I came out to DZ.com for a report of first-hand experience. Oh, and my students told me that I am more authentic now, others added I am calmer, so this is something I don't only imagine. They deal with me day by day and, guess what, address me with female pronouns, call me "Ms", and I often get commended for how I dress or my make-up. And some of them are religious and nevertheless treat me respectfully and affirmingly. You expect us to "accept our bodies" and really mean to "stop the nonsense" and I read between your lines I should go back to living as the man I have never been. Just to not disturb your black-and-white view on the world. How sad. And, to your information: We don't "want to lopp of body parts" - a good number of trans people just want to align their body to their gender. Which in my case means I not only didn't "lopp off" but gained parts on my chest and down there a good deal of the wrongly plumbed privates are now inside me. Other trans people are happy the way their body is. Trans people - as I said before - come from all walks of life and transition in different paths. Best wishes from Germany, HannahThe sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abedy 0 #98 August 12, 2015 turtlespeed Why not just use scientific classifications, chromosomal distinctions should work just fine. I'd really, really, really appreciate if you read one of the article (links provided in my reply I posted yesterday) to realise that "chromosomal distinctions" do not suffice in respect to gender. TIA & Best wishes, HannahThe sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #99 August 12, 2015 Why does your god make people like that if that's not how he wants them to be? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #100 August 12, 2015 wmw999Ron, you're ascribing to Jesus feelings that you have. If a criminal can get to Heaven by accepting Jesus into his or her life after a life of crime, why can't a non-criminal, kind, transgender person accept Jesus as well? And if a person has a chemical and hormonal makeup that makes life as the "assigned" gender intolerable, do you really think that a loving Jesus would have them be the same in Heaven? I think we should leave parsing rules exactly to God, and not try to do it for Him. There is not a lot of clarity about transgender and chromosomal differences in the Bible. There is, however, quite a bit about loving-kindness. Wendy P. Wendy P. Bless your heart. I did not say that a transgender cannot enter the Kingdom of God. I say you must be Born Again. You can't unscramble eggs but they can be flavored. It starts with inviting Jesus Christ to come into your heart and life. That is the basis of Biblical evaluation for eternal life or death. BTW, I do not believe that spiritual entities in heaven will have any recollection of life in this physical plane. Although, the Bible says we can observe the souls that did not make it. Have a blessed day.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
