Darius11 12 #76 July 14, 2010 Wow after reading your responses I see I have waisted my time, and honestly you have wasted ours. If you are not going to use logic for you decision making then why debate? If you want to say your right regardless of the facts then just go believe in your mind that your right. They’re no argument with anyone who constantly changes their standards to fit their view of the world. What was the reason for the war in Iraq? You said “We were needed there” That’s why the people were begging us not to bomb them right?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 417 #77 July 14, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe enemy has found where we are weakest and that is our absolute reluctance to lose life and limb, and this includes the way that we try to minimise casualties amongst civilians. So long as that remains our weakest point they will continue to exploit it. Money and smarter weapons won't fix that. So what do you propose is the solution to this? I don't know what the answer is. One potential approach would be to simply disregard the lives of the enemy and use extreme force to try and break their will. For example instead of surrounding and sweeping through Fallujah when it was a hotbed of resistance, we could have literally levelled the city with thousands of deaths. This use of excessive force "might" be a way of making the cost of resistance futile - it "seemed" to work for Saddam and in China (Tibet) and other 3rd world countries with brutal dictators.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #78 July 15, 2010 QuoteWow after reading your responses I see I have waisted my time, and honestly you have wasted ours. If you are not going to use logic for you decision making then why debate? If you want to say your right regardless of the facts then just go believe in your mind that your right. They’re no argument with anyone who constantly changes their standards to fit their view of the world. What was the reason for the war in Iraq? You said “We were needed there” That’s why the people were begging us not to bomb them right? Why should I have to state every reason we are there? Even if I state them all you're just going to argue them all. The simple matter is like it or not, we're there. Once we start something we really need to finish it. Maybe in the next situation we may not act the same with the benefit of this hindsight, but that's always 20/20.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #79 July 15, 2010 QuoteThe simple matter is like it or not, we're there. Once we start something we really need to finish it. Maybe in the next situation we may not act the same with the benefit of this hindsight, but that's always 20/20. OK, you want to talk hindsight? I remember hearing virtually that exact same shit about Vietnam in 1969. Would it surprise you that the same mantra was chanted about Korea in 1952? Study history. Study Korea. Study Vietnam. Learn from them. Lesson: when it finally becomes obvious that the situation is untenable, you don't keep sending American boys to die to support a point of pride. Eisenhower understood that, and he stopped the fighting in Korea within months of taking office, against the opposition of just about everyone in government and the military. (Truman probably understood that, too; but as a Democrat who was pilloried by Republicans for "losing China" in 1949, he felt politically trapped into staying on in Korea, and thousands of Americans bled into the soil there for that.) As for Vietnam, half a generation later: we had hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of US troops in there, and even after everyone had concluded that the war was essentially unwinnable without going nuclear, LBJ kept our troops in because he didn't want to be the Democratic president to "lose Vietnam" like Truman "lost China"; and then Nixon escalated the bombing and delayed withdrawal of troops because he wanted "peace with honor". In the meantime, tens of thousands more Americans died over there. For nothing. For a fucking point of honor. We already have the hindsight: it's staring us in the face. Shame on us for not heeding the lessons of history. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
