Lots of immigration talk. Here is a question

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I really don't see it either. Those folks (illegals) are so afraid of getting caught, they aren't going to do anything they feel will get them sent back to their country. I think, too many politicians have to many 'pie-in-the-sky' hopes.


Chuck

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Votes plain and simple. The Dems in DC see these millions of illegals as a huge potential Dem voting block.

Is that why Reagan granted mass amnesty?

No, it wasn't - nice try for the equivalency issue, though.

The Reagan amnesty was for (otherwise) law-abiding illegals that had been in the country for over 5 years. Any felony convictions and you didn't get amnesty. This was also only a temporary residency. They had to pay fees, take citizenship exams, get a medical exam, register for selective service and learn English. After 18 months, they became permanent residents and after 5 years, citizens.

There's also the fact that in the Reagan era, we were looking at a MUCH smaller pool of illegals and even back then, paperwork fraud connected to the amnesty was rampant. What's it going to be like in that regard when they attempt to bring in 4 times the Reagan number or more?

Mike
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Just because someone on the internet says it happens, doesn't mean that it does.

I would love to see statistics about illegal alien voting. I predict none will be forthcoming.

A lot harder to figure that, what with the huge resistance to any requirement that voters have valid ID from the Left.

Mike
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[DanG 1]

According to you, Reagan's motivation was not votes. Okay, do you believe Obama's motivation for suggesting essentially the exact same program is to create new Democratic voters? If yes, why do you feel that way? What's the difference?

And yes, it was an attempt to point out equivalency. And a successful one, I feel, because the situations are pretty much equivalent.

- Dan G

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Votes plain and simple. The Dems in DC see these millions of illegals as a huge potential Dem voting block.

BTW, I think the 11 million number is WAY low.

and the Repubs want the cheap labor.

Possibly. I guess no Dems are business owners.

Please don't dent the planet.

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According to you, Reagan's motivation was not votes. Okay, do you believe Obama's motivation for suggesting essentially the exact same program is to create new Democratic voters? If yes, why do you feel that way? What's the difference?

And yes, it was an attempt to point out equivalency. And a successful one, I feel, because the situations are pretty much equivalent.

Clinton got 72% of the hispanic vote. Bush got 40%. In the 2006 elections, Dems got 69% of the hispanic vote.

Next question?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[DanG 1]

Talk about a lack of equivalency.

Let me get your position straight: since the Democrats already get most of the Hispanic vote, anything they do that's favorable to amnesty is an attempt to get even more votes, but anything the Republicans do that's favorable to amnesty couldn't possibly be an attempt to draw some voters to the GOP.

Makes sense to me.

- Dan G

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According to you, Reagan's motivation was not votes. Okay, do you believe Obama's motivation for suggesting essentially the exact same program is to create new Democratic voters? If yes, why do you feel that way? What's the difference?

And yes, it was an attempt to point out equivalency. And a successful one, I feel, because the situations are pretty much equivalent.

Clinton got 72% of the hispanic vote. Bush got 40%. In the 2006 elections, Dems got 69% of the hispanic vote.

Next question?

Perhaps the GOP would do better with minorities if they would come back to a centrist policy instead of the fringe right evangelical christian identity militia mentality

[DanG 1]

The Left (as if it is a monolithic entity) doesn't have a problem with presenting a valid ID to vote. The problem is requiring an ID that people have to pay for, take a test for, travel to get, or otherwise places any burden on them other than going to the polls. The way the Right wants to implement a voter ID is just a backdoor way to a poll tax, which is unconstitutional.

- Dan G

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The Left (as if it is a monolithic entity) doesn't have a problem with presenting a valid ID to vote. The problem is requiring an ID that people have to pay for, take a test for, travel to get, or otherwise places any burden on them other than going to the polls. The way the Right wants to implement a voter ID is just a backdoor way to a poll tax, which is unconstitutional.

BUTT BUTT.... it worked so well for "conservative's" for so many decades

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Talk about a lack of equivalency.

That was the point, yes...

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Let me get your position straight: since the Democrats already get most of the Hispanic vote, anything they do that's favorable to amnesty is an attempt to get even more votes, but anything the Republicans do that's favorable to amnesty couldn't possibly be an attempt to draw some voters to the GOP.

Didn't make that claim, but I'm sure you won't let that stop you. Lemme know when the Republicans put on a federal ad campaign to get illegals their 'fair pay' like the Obama administration has.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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The way the Right wants to implement a voter ID is just a backdoor way to a poll tax, which is unconstitutional.

Cite, please.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Votes plain and simple. The Dems in DC see these millions of illegals as a huge potential Dem voting block.

Is that why Reagan granted mass amnesty?

And both Bush and McCain wanted to.

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>How bad would it be if you went to retire and the Govt wont pay out on your
> Social Security because some illegals grandmother is already cashing in on
>it.

Pretty bad.

It would be even worse if you were in an accident and EMS could not get to you because they were taking care of someone who crashed his car because he was breaking the law by speeding.

But since most people speed, they figure "well, that's not _really_ a crime."

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>How bad would it be if you went to retire and the Govt wont pay out on your
> Social Security because some illegals grandmother is already cashing in on
>it.

Pretty bad.

It would be even worse if you were in an accident and EMS could not get to you because they were taking care of someone who crashed his car because he was breaking the law by speeding.

But since most people speed, they figure "well, that's not _really_ a crime."

Comparing illegal entry into the country with speeding? I guess it's been a rough week if that's all you've got.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[DanG 1]

I'll provide a cite just as soon as you provide one showing the "the Left" is resisting a voter ID because they want illegals to vote.

- Dan G

[billvon 2,874]

>Comparing illegal entry into the country with speeding?

Illegal entry does not injure anyone, nor does it put anyone at risk. Speeding does put people at risk.

I liken illegal immigration to illegal prostitution. Is it illegal? Yes. Should it be stopped? Yes. Is there other crime associated with it? Yes. Are people directly injured by prostitution? No.

Is it the biggest problem we've got? Not by a long shot.

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Didn't make that claim, but I'm sure you won't let that stop you. Lemme know when the Republicans put on a federal ad campaign to get illegals their 'fair pay' like the Obama administration has.

No, you didn't make that claim, you just implied it. In fact, you never made any claim at all, or answered my questions. You just posted some apparently unrelated statistics in response to my direct questions. You spend a lot of time on these boards criticizing another poster for not answering questions, care to show him how it is done?

- Dan G

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Illegal entry does not injure anyone, nor does it put anyone at risk

I'm willing to bet the illegals might differ with you.

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I liken illegal immigration to illegal prostitution

Make up your mind will 'ya?

Unlike hookers and speeding it is a preventable crime. And I'll agree it's not the biggest problem we have. Hopefully that gets fixed in November.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[billvon 2,874]

>I'm willing to bet the illegals might differ with you.

Sorry, I misspoke. It puts no one other than the person themselves (i.e. the john or the illegal immigrant) at risk.

>Unlike hookers and speeding it is a preventable crime.

You think prostitution and speeding have been "prevented?" Drive around any city late at night; they seem to have had just as much luck preventing prostitution as they've had preventing illegal immigration.

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Didn't make that claim, but I'm sure you won't let that stop you. Lemme know when the Republicans put on a federal ad campaign to get illegals their 'fair pay' like the Obama administration has.

No, you didn't make that claim, you just implied it. In fact, you never made any claim at all, or answered my questions. You just posted some apparently unrelated statistics in response to my direct questions. You spend a lot of time on these boards criticizing another poster for not answering questions, care to show him how it is done?

Just because you don't LIKE the answer doesn't mean it wasn't an answer. If you don't think that the possibility of adding several MILLION voters to the party doesn't make Ried and Pelosi wet their pants, you're living in a dream world.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Just because you don't LIKE the answer doesn't mean it wasn't an answer. If you don't think that the possibility of adding several MILLION voters to the party doesn't make Ried and Pelosi wet their pants, you're living in a dream world.

The prospect of gaining additional voters as being an incentive for Democratic politicians to bring in an amnesty has one big problem. Many of the proposals for amnesty involve a LONG waiting period before permanent residency would be granted (maybe 8 years or so). And after that it takes another 5 years to get citizenship. Add in processing backlogs (likely to increase with so many people applying) and you're talking maybe 15 years before the rolls of Democratic voters increase.

Do politicians really think that far into the future?

Moreover, once an amnesty is granted, the former illegal aliens would have a strong incentive to keep their noses clean. So, if anything, you might see a small drop in Democratic voters, because people who have been voting illegally would stop voting until they became citizens.

"It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014

[billvon 2,874]

>If you don't think that the possibility of adding several MILLION voters to
>the party doesn't make Ried and Pelosi wet their pants, you're living in a
>dream world.

Yep. Makes the GOP wet its pants too. There's also the sympathy vote; legal Mexican immigrants will tend to vote against people who they perceive to be against Mexicans.

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Illegal entry does not injure anyone, nor does it put anyone at risk. Speeding does put people at risk.

Yep. I spent three days in a hospital, have scars, and have spent 20+ years dealing with chronic pain thanks to someone else's choice to drive in an illegal manner. But so far, I have no injuries from someone else's choice to be here illegally. The only person I've known who was here illegally was not stealing social security numbers or otherwise breaking the law or doing harm to anyone. Well, he was BASE-jumping, and therefore likely trespassing at times, but I know plenty of legal citizens who do that too.

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Drive around any city late at night; they seem to have had just as much luck preventing prostitution as they've had preventing illegal immigration.

so you're assuming those women are prostitutes?

Isn't that like assuming a brown guy driving a beat up car in a sanctuary city is an illegal immigrant? (by the way... watch how some of them drive, that shit puts people at risk, and they tend to not carry insurance on their vehicles, not show up in court)

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Rob