rehmwa 2 #26 June 18, 2010 Quotewhat about rocks? Cool - government funded "Rocks for Cash" programs. I'm in. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #27 June 18, 2010 QuoteEver thought that she could have been lieing and was covering for her scrote of a son? Prove it, then punish the son. Jailing innocent people is never a good crime policy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 49 #28 June 18, 2010 Quote Maybe it's a tacit commentary on something other than the old lady. Just a guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #29 June 18, 2010 QuoteEver thought that she could have been lieing and was covering for her scrote of a son? Perhaps that is why it was hidden under the mattress. This is the problem here. It wasn't found in the bottom of grandads old trunk, or forgotten in a drawer. It was hidden in an accessible location and discovered during a search. It is a serious crime to posess a weapon like this in the UK. She might have been able to get away with it but the circumstances are not mitigating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #30 June 18, 2010 Quote in the US, It would have been thrown out as an Illegal search! They were looking for her grandson...Not likely he is hiding between the mattresses! Even in the US, when the police are inside a premises for a purpose such as executing an arrest, they're lawfully permitted, for their own safety, to conduct a limited-purpose search to secure the area against easily-accessible, yet concealed, weapons that might be used against them. So in my experience there would be about a 90-95% chance that the gun would be admitted into evidence in the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #31 June 18, 2010 Quote Quote in the US, It would have been thrown out as an Illegal search! They were looking for her grandson...Not likely he is hiding between the mattresses! Even in the US, when the police are inside a premises for a purpose such as executing an arrest, they're lawfully permitted, for their own safety, to conduct a limited-purpose search to secure the area against easily-accessible, yet concealed, weapons that might be used against them. So in my experience there would be about a 90-95% chance that the gun would be admitted into evidence in the US. I disagree! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #32 June 18, 2010 Quote Quote Quote in the US, It would have been thrown out as an Illegal search! They were looking for her grandson...Not likely he is hiding between the mattresses! Even in the US, when the police are inside a premises for a purpose such as executing an arrest, they're lawfully permitted, for their own safety, to conduct a limited-purpose search to secure the area against easily-accessible, yet concealed, weapons that might be used against them. So in my experience there would be about a 90-95% chance that the gun would be admitted into evidence in the US. I disagree! Do you, now. Tell you what, I disagree with you about motorcycles, since obviously I know so much more about them than you do. Not that I'm a bike expert or anything, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #33 June 18, 2010 Quote Tell you what, I disagree with you about motorcycles, since obviously I know so much more about them than you do. Not that I'm a bike expert or anything, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. Just to complete this line of reasoning out - does your practice involve criminal defense? Unless the son was waving it around for show/intimidation only, it shouldn't be difficult to examine the barrel for recent usage. Gunpower residue or cleaning solvents would be evidence that this was not forgotten. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #34 June 18, 2010 Quotedoes your practice involve criminal defense? Quite a bit. That, and hotel management. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #35 June 19, 2010 QuoteQuotedoes your practice involve criminal defense? Quite a bit. That, and hotel management. So criminal hotel management? What y9ou work for Pimps?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #36 June 19, 2010 Quote She might have had a chance with the judge if it had been displayed in a case as a trophy...hidden under a mattress ...not so much! BUT, in the US, It would have been thrown out as an Illegal search! They were looking for her grandson...Not likely he is hiding between the mattresses! With the honesty of cops, I think we know the butt was stikcing out of between the mattress and box. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #37 June 19, 2010 Only 42 gun related deaths in the UK last year, Over 10,000 in the US. It seems very obvious, the US needs to relax it's draconian gun laws. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-records-18-fall-in-gun-deaths-1232069.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #38 June 19, 2010 QuoteNews:Grandmother jailed over WWII 'family heirloom' pistol Gail Cochrane, 53, had kept the gun for 29 years following the death of her father, who had been in the Royal Navy. Police found the weapon, a Browning self-loading pistol, during a search of her home in Dundee while looking for her son. She admitted illegal possession of the firearm, an offence with a minimum five-year jail term under Scots law. Cochrane told the High Court in Edinburgh that she had never contemplated she might be committing a crime by keeping the gun or that she might need to get a licence for the weapon. She said: "I thought it was just a war trophy."...Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/scotland/10335003.stm Which is why I stand against the UK form and style of government advancing in the U.S.A. Those people are influencing our leaders over here and I believe they should be obstructed.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #39 June 19, 2010 QuoteOnly 42 gun related deaths in the UK last year, Over 10,000 in the US. It seems very obvious, the US needs to relax it's draconian gun laws. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-records-18-fall-in-gun-deaths-1232069.html quoting absolute numbers against populations of such disparate sizes like that is exactly why nobody can trust the use of statistics any more. You have no credibility by quoting numbers like that. All you're hoping to do is troll up a pro-gun response, stir up some shit, and jack your post count. If we had a killfile feature to ignore posts from users, this would have earned you a spot in mine.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #40 June 19, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteOnly 42 gun related deaths in the UK last year, Over 10,000 in the US. It seems very obvious, the US needs to relax it's draconian gun laws. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-records-18-fall-in-gun-deaths-1232069.html quoting absolute numbers against populations of such disparate sizes like that is exactly why nobody can trust the use of statistics any more. You have no credibility by quoting numbers like that. All you're hoping to do is troll up a pro-gun response, stir up some shit, and jack your post count. If we had a killfile feature to ignore posts from users, this would have earned you a spot in mine. I would hope most here would know the the UK has a much smaller population (65,000,000.) than the us (290,00,000). Why don't you run off and start a new truther post, your over due. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #41 June 19, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOnly 42 gun related deaths in the UK last year, Over 10,000 in the US. It seems very obvious, the US needs to relax it's draconian gun laws. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-records-18-fall-in-gun-deaths-1232069.html quoting absolute numbers against populations of such disparate sizes like that is exactly why nobody can trust the use of statistics any more. You have no credibility by quoting numbers like that. All you're hoping to do is troll up a pro-gun response, stir up some shit, and jack your post count. If we had a killfile feature to ignore posts from users, this would have earned you a spot in mine. I would hope most here would know the the UK has a much smaller population (65,000,000.) than the us (290,00,000). Why don't you run off and start a new truther post, your over due. when have I ever posted in favor of the truthers? you must have me confused with someone else. Either that or I was right and you're just trolling.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #42 June 19, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote***QuoteQuoteOnly 42 gun related deaths in the UK last year, Over 10,000 in the US. It seems very obvious, the US needs to relax it's draconian gun laws. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-records-18-fall-in-gun-deaths-1232069.html quoting absolute numbers against populations of such disparate sizes like that is exactly why nobody can trust the use of statistics any more. You have no credibility by quoting numbers like that. All you're hoping to do is troll up a pro-gun response, stir up some shit, and jack your post count. If we had a killfile feature to ignore posts from users, this would have earned you a spot in mine. I would hope most here would know the the UK has a much smaller population (65,000,000.) than the us (290,00,000). Why don't you run off and start a new truther post, your over due. when have I ever posted in favor of the truthers? you must have me confused with someone else. Either that or I was right and you're just trolling. First, sorry about the truther comment, I confused you with some one else. I have no need to try and manipulate numbers, they speak for them self. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #43 June 19, 2010 QuoteQuoteOnly 42 gun related deaths in the UK last year, Over 10,000 in the US. It seems very obvious, the US needs to relax it's draconian gun laws. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-records-18-fall-in-gun-deaths-1232069.html quoting absolute numbers against populations of such disparate sizes like that is exactly why nobody can trust the use of statistics any more. You have no credibility by quoting numbers like that. All you're hoping to do is troll up a pro-gun response, stir up some shit, and jack your post count. If we had a killfile feature to ignore posts from users, this would have earned you a spot in mine. UK pop 60M gun deaths 42 US pop 300M (approx) gun deaths >10,000 Population ratio 1:5 Gun death ratio 1:240 The reason you dislike his numbers is that they very strongly support his point rather than yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #44 June 19, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteOnly 42 gun related deaths in the UK last year, Over 10,000 in the US. It seems very obvious, the US needs to relax it's draconian gun laws. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-records-18-fall-in-gun-deaths-1232069.html quoting absolute numbers against populations of such disparate sizes like that is exactly why nobody can trust the use of statistics any more. You have no credibility by quoting numbers like that. All you're hoping to do is troll up a pro-gun response, stir up some shit, and jack your post count. If we had a killfile feature to ignore posts from users, this would have earned you a spot in mine. UK pop 60M gun deaths 42 US pop 300M (approx) gun deaths >10,000 Population ratio 1:5 Gun death ratio 1:240 The reason you dislike his numbers is that they very strongly support his point rather than yours. was I trying to make a point pro or con guns in that post? No... I was expressing my dislike of mis-use of statistics. In any case, it's not a matter of the tools in use, it's a sociological issue.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #45 June 19, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOnly 42 gun related deaths in the UK last year, Over 10,000 in the US. It seems very obvious, the US needs to relax it's draconian gun laws. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-records-18-fall-in-gun-deaths-1232069.html quoting absolute numbers against populations of such disparate sizes like that is exactly why nobody can trust the use of statistics any more. You have no credibility by quoting numbers like that. All you're hoping to do is troll up a pro-gun response, stir up some shit, and jack your post count. If we had a killfile feature to ignore posts from users, this would have earned you a spot in mine. UK pop 60M gun deaths 42 US pop 300M (approx) gun deaths >10,000 Population ratio 1:5 Gun death ratio 1:240 The reason you dislike his numbers is that they very strongly support his point rather than yours. was I trying to make a point pro or con guns in that post? No... I was expressing my dislike of mis-use of statistics. In any case, it's not a matter of the tools in use, it's a sociological issue. That's always the lame excuse, whether gun murders, healthcare, whatever. Whenever the US looks bad it's ALWAYS sociological; the US couldn't POSSIBLY learn anything from places that are doing better.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #46 June 19, 2010 Quote That's always the lame excuse, whether gun murders, healthcare, whatever. Whenever the US looks bad it's ALWAYS sociological; the US couldn't POSSIBLY learn anything from places that are doing better. I'm happy to learn from others. Let's learn from England how to remove our right to defend ourselves in our own home. OOPS, that's one of their mistakes. Let's confiscate guns and misreport crime statistics. OOPS that's a mistake too. They have lots of things we can learn from over there. I like to learn how not to do things as well as how to do things. What's your proposed solution again?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #47 June 19, 2010 Quote was I trying to make a point pro or con guns in that post? No... I was expressing my dislike of mis-use of statistics. This wasn't a misuse. Now if someone had said that London had 42 shootings, rather than the entire country, or that the UK only had 42 murders, rather than shootings, that would be misuse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #48 June 19, 2010 in my opinion, using that comparison is an attempt to shock to influence others that "guns are bad mmm-kay". I don't mind disagreeing with you. just wanted to clarify.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vanair 0 #49 June 20, 2010 a person without a gun is a subject. a person with a gun is a citizen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #50 June 20, 2010 Quotea person without a gun is a subject. a person with a gun is a citizen. A sound byte without an audience is just an opinion. Or really bad prose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
