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all the video that's been provided has been from the israelis - after they started shooting.

(why did they delete all the other videos from the scene of the crime - surely they're not destroying the evidence)



Guess again buddy, I found a video the other day that was posted online shot by one of the people on the ship with a cell phone. It showed the people on the ship poised for an ambush and absolutely no gunfire prior to the soldiers fastroping in. Aww how cute, you made a little theory and it was shot down, don't get discouraged, lots of people fail at life.
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I am hoping both Israel and Turkey can get past this. Turkey is a wonderful country (I've been there many times and have friends there). Also Israel is a nation of good people (been there too. Tel Aviv & Haifa). The Turks protesting are pissed because they see Israel not being humane. Israel is pissed that Turkey didn't take the blockade serious. It's a military operation. I said it before.... if the people of Gaza want the blockade to cease, then kick Hamas the F**K OUT of Gaza. Israel won't sit around and let that be used as a rocket base for Hamas. This isn't hard to grasp in this thread if people would quite letting their preteen girl emotions take control.

I think the world of the Turks and Israelis.



The Turkish government has been getting more islamic-radical of late, but the Turkish military is still on good terms with Israel (they have mutual enemies), so this guff about armed escorts for the blockade runners is just that.

I'm stationed in the Middle East as well, and I'm seeing the usual Arab Logic being applied to this situation. The people on the boat are being referred to as "peaceful" and "nonviolent". The Arab media don't show the protestors attacking the soldiers. How convenient. The Arab media are also demanding that the Israelis stop showing the captured footage of their personnel being beaten and stabbed by the boaters.

Like I said, Arab Logic. You have to be in the East for a while to appreciate the depth and breadth of the sheer stupidity over here. Patently denying the obvious is considered a high art form. Please recall the Iraqi spokesman during the 2003 invasion, and you'll have a good idea of what Arab Logic is.

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The Turkish government has been getting more islamic-radical of late



yes, and the military which was the traditional watch dog of the heritage of Ataturk (founder of the modern, secular republic of Turkey) has been weaken in the last few years (heads of key branches replaced, etc.)

not saying its good or bad (can't have an army too powerful in a democracy). but the power balance in Turkey has been shifting toward the east.
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all the video that's been provided has been from the israelis - after they started shooting.

(why did they delete all the other videos from the scene of the crime - surely they're not destroying the evidence)



Guess again buddy, I found a video the other day that was posted online shot by one of the people on the ship with a cell phone. It showed the people on the ship poised for an ambush and absolutely no gunfire prior to the soldiers fastroping in. Aww how cute, you made a little theory and it was shot down, don't get discouraged, lots of people fail at life.


link please :)
(remember, the ones who were ambushing were the israelis - the ones on the ship were doing the defending)
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You have to be in the East for a while to appreciate the depth and breadth of the sheer stupidity over here. Patently denying the obvious is considered a high art form. Please recall the Iraqi spokesman during the 2003 invasion, and you'll have a good idea of what Arab Logic is.



don't worry there are stupid people everywhere :)
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Well I dint think I would post here again, tired of the racist anti-arab comments going unpunished while pointing out crimes of Israel gets me threatened of banning permanently. I didnt think the most racist group on earth ran this forum. BUT I am distraught that not ONE person standing up for the truth mentioned that ALL VIDEO EQUIPMENT AND CAMERAS OF FLOTILLA CREW WERE CONFISCATED. Oh...I guess that didnt settle with the sheep. Those people were not lambs..the only sheep are the people here that trust the zionist owned US media outlets. Obama held back on comments so the would have time to spin their story. IF those were paintball guns..wheres the vids of people with paint on their shirts??? 9mmbullets were the killing force..lets see dress up a UZI as a paintball gun?
I KNOW FIRST HAND there were no terrorists on those ships. I was too late getting my passort renewed to have that and the BACKGROUND CHECK needed. You arab haters are right about one thing.they did expect confrontation. Having parlimentary figures from around the world, they were not about to have radicals on board,and leaving no ammo for the zionist vampires that wanted blood, but the heresay they are spinning...oh poor Israel. So you beleive that Muslim countries are controlling the propoganda and are "conning the world".lets get some FACTS:
Israel willnot allow concreteto Gaza because the will make bunkers out of it..hmmm maybe to protect them from WHITE PHOSPHORUS bombs that were OUTLAWED over 60 years ago?? Yes they used those in Operatoin cast lead that killed over 1400 civilians January 2009. These people are really sick!
How did the zionst jews get all this land?
In 1948 they massacred a peaceful village of Deir Yassin every man woman child and cattle, shoving some down wells along with reports or rape and butchery, along with al-Dawazyna for another clearout of 100. They took their truck with loudspeakers to every village and told them if they donot leave the same thing will happen to them. Good account of it here: http://theforbiddentruth.net/2011-deir-yassin-massacre.html
Though the JIDF does a really good job of removing videos on Utube that are critical of Isreal you can still find them, like IDF forces taking a unarmed palastian teenager and breaking his arm over a rock.
IDF even had a saying about breaking thier bones. Over 750,000 Palestinians have been forced out to Lebanon and such to live in shanty villages. They bullddoze over homes and say it is a "counter-terrorist operation"..Then ofcourse the next thing you know a jewsih settlement pops up with guntowers and barbed wire. Iread something lately that called Rachel Corrie a terrorist operative. Do these people have any shame? A few yrs ago IDF agents were taunting 10yr old boys witha megaphone until they would throw rocks, then they shoot them in the head.
We send over 3 Billion ayear there which is $10,000 per person ayear, yer Africa gets mabye $65 a year..what makes them so special? Well they use that money with the AIPAC lobby , and if you dont do what they want, they ruin your political carrer through the media that is owned by their faithfulbrothers. WE taxpayers are paying FOR our OWN SLAVERY! the holocaust card beats out mastercard..priceless. I dont remeberany ovens here. Lets see..the USS Liberty, attacked 37 dead 300 wounded, shot out the lifeboats and all to make it look like Egypt did it so we would nuke them. The ownly poeple caught taping 911 and fod wiht EXPLOSIVES in their van were Israeli Mussad dressed as arabs. Dual citizen jew Chertoff had them release 3 weeks later.
Now..why the special treatment? So lets sya 6 million was not an exaggerated figure. The Bolshevik revolutionof 1917, finance by Trotsky(leo Bromstein) and lead 80% by jews went on a kiiling spree of killing over 50 MILLION Christian Russians. One of the cries of the Bolsheviks was "Leave nothing but the synagogues standing" these Soldiers even have a memorial in "Israel". Their has been denial on thier leading communism, but one must remember the Tzar Nicolas of Russia did not let jews in the center of town..this was thier revolution. My point is..why dont we ever hear about the Christans,mostly german nationals that lost their land in WW1? Holomodor was a forced starvation killing over 7 million..this was the reason Ukranians jumped to join the SS. It is also why PBS was pressured intp not showing a documentary last year..some things must stay veiled. These were genocidal acts but dont go mentioned..ive even seen Emails putting that dead on Hitler..amzing how people can change history.
Now "isreal"is occupied by 95% Ashekenazi jews whic in fact did not take up Judaism until 700 AD..that was NEVER their land! Now what peturbs me the most is that Christans have no idea about their history.
700BC Assyria took over the Israelites and moved them out of the land. He then moved the canannites down their. These Canaanited fought the remnant of Judah and claimed it was ther land chosen not by god but the King of Assyra.(II Kings 17:24) Ezekiel 11:15 Menawhile the Israelite were know as Sythians reported in secular history too as having blonde hair and blue eyes also know as Gamira, sacchs, and the heade notrh and Greeks knew as Cimmerians that wnet toward Spain. Funny how histiry of white peoel only goes back to 7th century and it happened to be that Israelited went north. ISrael was to be known by a new name and named after Isaac Sacchs Saxons (Isiah 42) They would forget who they were for their sin.
The emninet Londn atorney and historian Sharon Turner (1768-1847) stated "the Anglo-Saxons,lowland Scotch, Normans,Danes,Norwegians,Swedes,Germans,Dutch,Belgians,Lombards and Franks have allsprung from that great fountain of the jhuman race...distinguished by the term Scythian, German, or Gothic..The..Sythians crossed the Araxes(Aras River), passed out of Asia and..suddenly appeared in Europe, in the 7th century before the Christian era"
The Mayflower Compact even mentions us as Israel.
I dont like someone stealing my identity, but it got Jesus killed when he told them(jews) who theywere John8:44 and we wer even reminded that someone would pose to be "jews" that were not Rev 2:9
Thye were not of Moses not out of Egypt and even if they were they were not to return..that is why many Orthodox rabbis condemn "israel" for they werenot to return. All this bloodshed over identity theft.
BTW the work "jew"did not exist until 1775 which was a por translation frm latin Judaeus which is from the land of Judea..kind of like American..you can be black yellow or white and still be American,though when th Bible has said "jew"its talking about the tribe of Judah, not the religion of Babylon(talmud)
if you havent read the Talmud...you should...makes the Qurans bad parts read like a childrens story...its the reason they got expelled so many times
www.comeandhear.com has it in english

Oh and for your "we con the world" heres a even better version:
http://theforbiddentruth.net/videos/1651/flotilla-choir-platinum-edition-we-con-world-truther-edition.html


I know that was long but I am not a racist, everyone has a right to exist, Christ shows compassion, maybe thats why they hate him so much. If you are Christian, think about the Muslims that could be saved, but allthey see is a people who pretty much worship the people who killed their Messiah....and get paid to kill them.
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What’s the connection between a hungry Palestinian population and keeping weapons out of the hands of Hamas? I know Israel says it’s letting in enough food in to prevent a humanitarian crisis, but UN officials have called the situation "grim", "deteriorating" and a "medieval siege." A bare minimum of 400 truckloads of goods needs to enter Gaza per week, and an average of 171 get in. According to the World Health Organization, 1 in 10 Gazans suffer from “chronic malnutrition,” and the UN says 6 in 10 Gaza households are “food insecure.”



http://www.alternet.org/world/147132/7_questions_for_defenders_of_israel%27s_inhumane_siege_of_gaza/
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I didnt think the most racist group on earth ran this forum.



You should get banned permanently for that PA against those that can ban you permanently.

The first link you provided is full of lies. The rest of your rant is a load of lies as well.

For those that are interested in Deir-Yassin:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/deir_yassin.html

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I KNOW FIRST HAND there were no terrorists on those ships.



You are now contradicting the terrorists themselves. How are you able to make that assertion?

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I was too late getting my passort renewed to have that and the BACKGROUND CHECK needed.



I see, you claim that you were close to actually being on the ship.
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To answer your one and only valid concern, the "paintball" guns are used to fire a pepperball round. It's like a paint ball but it has oleoresin capsicum, the OC in pepperspray, in a powder form.

If you doubt that they roped in with paint ball type guns, then you are calling the activist/terrorists that were on the ship liars (not a big stretch, but I doubt it's your intention) because even they said IDF troops arrived with them. Also, if you pull your head out of your al-jazeera, there are videos out there that show the IDF holding them at there start.
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ding ding ding, we have a winner..
where do I begin?
There is not even a single line in your entire post that will pass fact checking by a 7 year old...

Just as an indication...
there are ~7M people in Israel,
3Billion/7Million is ~$450. not $10,000
and btw, the Palestinians lead the world in aid per capita but who cares about facts, right?

the rest, well, some people are beyond help. I just hope no one buys your shameless racist post.
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ding ding ding, we have a winner..
where do I begin?
There is not even a single line in your entire post that will pass fact checking by a 7 year old...

Just as an indication...
there are ~7M people in Israel,
3Billion/7Million is ~$450. not $10,000
and btw, the Palestinians lead the world in aid per capita but who cares about facts, right?

the rest, well, some people are beyond help. I just hope no one buys your shameless racist post.




I really loved this one....

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Now "isreal"is occupied by 95% Ashekenazi jews whic in fact did not take up Judaism until 700 AD..that was NEVER their land! Now what peturbs me the most is that Christans have no idea about their history



Somebody needs to get with the guys that think there are not a lot of people with "tans" in Israel.... I think they are getting their "news" and "history" from similar sources.

Somehow I dont think someone has availed themselves of a history course there at the University of Oregon in Eugene:S:S

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Deir Yassin happens as he stated according to the Israelis actually.

They killed man woman and child so they could expand and take over their village. Then used that event to scar more people out of their homes.


To deny that there is and has been some truly despicable actions by the Israelis is just asinine.
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Dude, learn to use paragraphs. Your presentation makes it look exactly like the amateur rant that I see it as.

If you didn't get your passport (lame excuse) and didn't get on the boat, then you DO NOT have first hand knowledge of anything.

And racist claims about a ZIONIST CONTROLLED US media would sound a lot more plausible if last week the papers were running headlines like "Palestinian Terrorists Attack IDF Peacekeepers." But that's not what we saw. We saw the same false "IDF kills defenseless flotilla" though at least the text would admit to the greater details. But all of the reporting supported the flotilla perspective and encouraged the outrage.

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Deir Yassin happens as he stated according to the Israelis actually.

They killed man woman and child so they could expand and take over their village. Then used that event to scar more people out of their homes.



Wrong. Did you read the link I provided and compare it to what was described in the earlier post?

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To deny that there is and has been some truly despicable actions by the Israelis is just asinine.



When comparing Israel and their adversaries, there is no comparison.

The link I provided even admitted that when one of the enemy realized that his disguise as a woman wasn't going to work, and he shot an Israeli commander, that the other soldiers shot many others that were nearby. This is still very different than you portray.

If you can tell us where the link I provided is wrong, please do so.
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Deir Yassin happens as he stated according to the Israelis actually.

They killed man woman and child so they could expand and take over their village. Then used that event to scar more people out of their homes.


To deny that there is and has been some truly despicable actions by the Israelis is just asinine.



I feel so sorry for all those poor innocent Arabs who have always been so innocent and peaceful




Where do I find one of those by the way. It probably was not the Iraqi fighters who were in the town.

From Wiki... it looks like by spreading the word of the "attrocity" was yet another Arab victory on the road of helping Israel become a country.

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The Jordanian newspaper Al Urdun published a survivor's account in 1955, in which he said that the Palestinians had deliberately exaggerated horror stories about atrocities in Deir Yassin to encourage others to fight, but unwittingly had caused them to flee instead. Everyone had reason to spread the atrocity narrative. The Irgun and Lehi wanted to frighten Arabs into fleeing; the Arabs wanted to provoke an international response;[77] the Haganah wanted to tarnish the Irgun and Lehi; and the Arabs and the British wanted to malign the Jews



Those tricky Jews.. manipulating the Jordanian Arabs yet again..... to publish those exagerated horror stories.:S:S

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Really. What does your replay have to do with a historical fact of a village that was destroyed and villagers that were massacred?

Really your like a little kid throwing a tantrum who is not getting her way.

You know when a logical intelligent person finds out facts that disagree with their perception two things can happen. 1. They recheck their priorities and understand that maybe they have been wrong all along 2. They simply throw mental tantrums because they can not accept what the have based there mental foundation on has been false. Therefore sacrificing their logic and intelligence for the comfort of feeling right. Even if they are far from it.


So what’s the excuse your making for the massacre of the villagers again? Sarcastic generalizing comments.

I am sure the Nazis made jokes and excuses too, I sometimes wonder do you think the Nazis were bad people because they killed people or are you just mad that they killed Jews?

You do understand that killing people even when Jews do it is still wrong right?
:S:S:S

What a fucked up world some of you live in.

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Your constent generalizing statements just show ignorance in its purest form..

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Really. What does your replay have to do with a historical fact of a village that was destroyed and villagers that were massacred?

Really your like a little kid throwing a tantrum who is not getting her way.

You know when a logical intelligent person finds out facts that disagree with their perception two things can happen. 1. They recheck their priorities and understand that maybe they have been wrong all along 2. They simply throw mental tantrums because they can not accept what the have based there mental foundation on has been false. Therefore sacrificing their logic and intelligence for the comfort of feeling right. Even if they are far from it.



So what’s the excuse your making for the massacre of the villagers again? Sarcastic generalizing comments.

I am sure the Nazis made jokes and excuses too, I sometimes wonder do you think the Nazis were bad people because they killed people or are you just mad that they killed Jews?

You do understand that killing people even when Jews do it is still wrong right?
:S:S:S

What a fucked up world some of you live in.

People = People
Your constent generalizing statements just show ignorance in its purest form..



Much projection there Darius??????

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Much projection there Darius??????



Very well thought out replay glad you stepped out of your comfort zone.:S

So what’s the excuse for the massacre of a whole village again?
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Much projection there Darius??????



Very well thought out replay glad you stepped out of your comfort zone.:S

So what’s the excuse for the massacre of a whole village again?


I have no idea.. perhaps you could ask that of the Arabs across the Arab world why they massacred infidels in hundreds of jewish enclaves....

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I am sure the Nazis made jokes and excuses too, I sometimes wonder do you think the Nazis were bad people because they killed people or are you just mad that they killed Jews?



You mean like these?

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You do understand that killing people even when Jews do it is still wrong right?
:S:S:S



So - stabbing them is ok as long as you don't kill them, right?

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What a fucked up world some of you live in.


Seriously? You really typed that? Who are the "Some of you" that you mention?

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People = People
Your constent generalizing statements just show ignorance in its purest form..



Constant generalizing statements? You means ones about nazis and jews?
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some good news...

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Israel is poised to accept a British plan to ease its blockade of Gaza in exchange for international acceptance of a watered-down investigation into last week's deadly raid on a Turkish aid ship, sources said on Tuesday.

Britain is understood to have taken a leading role in the negotiations and last week circulated a confidential document proposing ways of easing the blockade, according to Western officials familiar with a draft version of the report.

Facing growing international criticism over the humanitarian situation in Gaza, Israeli officials said that would agree, in principle, to permit the passage of substantially more aid through Israel's land crossings with the Hamas-controlled territory.

Since the Islamist group seized control in 2007, Israel has allowed only basic humanitarian supplies into Gaza, while forbidding the importation of most electronic and construction materials that it says could be used by Hamas for military purposes.

While aid agencies will welcome a relaxation of the rules, others, particularly Turkey, will be concerned about the price exacted by Israel. They fear the trade-off will mean that Israel is never held to account for the nine deaths on board the Mavi Marmara, the lead ship in an international flotilla that tried to break the naval blockade of Gaza last week.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7811798/Israel-to-accept-British-plan-to-ease-Gaza-blockade.html
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I have no idea.. perhaps you could ask that of the Arabs across the Arab world why they massacred infidels in hundreds of jewish enclaves....





What are you referring to? Any thing in particular that relates to the village?

Or are you just out of any thing useful to say and just spewing the same garbage as usual?


So what’s your position? that the man woman and children in the village deserved to be murdered?

So what’s do you use to excuse this one?
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