0
quade

Who WILL BE the GOP Candidate for President in 2012?

Recommended Posts

Quote

>As much as I would love Ron Paul in office, too many people hate the
>guy for him to have a chance, and I just don't get it.

He represents too much of a change for most people, and his platform is not very realistic. I'd like to see him in the presidency; he would have to rapidly change his platforms to match reality, but overall it would be a positive change IMO.

(However, I agree that he is sort of the diametric opposite of Palin - a smart guy who doesn't subscribe to any of the more thoughtless political buzzwords masquerading as philosophies.)



Well said. I think you're right with his platform, but I would think with the latest unrest in the country his platform would gain popularity, yet it seems to be doing the opposite.

Sometimes I wonder if people don't like him because he's got a squeaky voice.[:/]



Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

>As much as I would love Ron Paul in office, too many people hate the
>guy for him to have a chance, and I just don't get it.

He represents too much of a change for most people, and his platform is not very realistic. I'd like to see him in the presidency; he would have to rapidly change his platforms to match reality, but overall it would be a positive change IMO.



Given that the congressional majority (of either party) would likely be establishment career politicians, I think he'd have a hard time enacting many of his goals.

On the other hand, I think he'd be a boring president, which I would thoroughly enjoy. I cringe every time I hear "ground-breaking", "historic", or "landmark" with regards to government , and I'm beginning to loathe the fact that many politicians have somehow legislated themselves into celebrities. :S

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote


Sometimes I wonder if people don't like him because he's got a squeaky voice.[:/]



My frustration w/ him is that he tends to ramble on during interviews and speeches, making some of them difficult to listen to. I think he's an incredibly intelligent man, but there are many who are much better at putting ideas into words that most people will understand (such as Thomas Woods, Lew Rockwell, etc..)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

Sometimes I wonder if people don't like him because he's got a squeaky voice.[:/]



We live in a superficial world. Attractive candidates have always had an advantage over less attractive ones since the invention of television. Entire campaigns have been stopped cold by a simple misplaced "yee-haw." It's unfortunate, but it's the way it works.
quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

Quote

Sometimes I wonder if people don't like him because he's got a squeaky voice.[:/]



We live in a superficial world. Attractive candidates have always had an advantage over less attractive ones since the invention of television. Entire campaigns have been stopped cold by a simple misplaced "yee-haw." It's unfortunate, but it's the way it works.


Example: Ed Muskie was top o' the world during the 1972 presidential primaries until he got weepy during an impromptu news conference while defending his wife against some nasty personal slander someone was trying to smear her with. His campaign effectively ended then.

(Google hits from the phrase "Muskie cried": http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=muskie+cried&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=bcdf8cbbf06dc4f )

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

>However, I agree that he is sort of the diametric opposite of Palin -



I think it's telling that Ron Paul is considered the opposite of both Palin and also of Obama in this thread.

And I agree with both positions - those two are just the same old thing and in the long run you can't really tell them apart.

...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

Entire campaigns have been stopped cold by a simple misplaced "yee-haw."



Or a harmless "yeaaahhhhhhaha;araaaarrrrrghhhkkkk!!!!"

...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
While I don't think he "scares anyone off" I do think that his intelligence presents a problem for the party that's increasingly presenting itself as the anti-elite, anti-ivory-tower, good ol' hardworking Joe party. (Which is one of the reasons Palin has enjoyed so much attention from the GOP.)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Here's another example of why Republicans consider Ron Paul dangerous - he bucks the party establishment's sacred cows, he refuses to bash Obama with the jingoistic sloganeering that is FoxNews's raison d'etre, and - worst sin of all - he's too goddamn smart:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/ron-paul-president-obama-is-not-a-socialst.php

Quote

Ron Paul: President Obama Is Not A Socialist

Near the end of the third day of this year's Southern Republican Leadership Conference, it was time for Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) to take the stage. Paul, fresh off his victory in the CPAC straw poll, gave a characteristically fired-up speech that took on the views of the Republican party establishment.

"The question has been raised about whether or not our president is a socialist," Paul said. "I am sure there are some people here who believe it. But in the technical sense, in the economic definition of a what a socialist is, no, he's not a socialist."

"He's a corporatist," Paul continued. "And unfortunately we have corporatists inside the Republican party and that means you take care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country."

Paul said examples of President Obama's "corporatism" were evident in the heath care reform bill he signed into law last month. He said the mandate in the bill put the power over health care in the hands of corporations rather than private citizens. But he said the bill wasn't the only place where corporatism is creeping into Washington.

"We see it in the financial institutions, we see it in the military-industrial complex," he said. "And now we see it in the medical-industrial complex."

Despite his opposition to the bill, and despite Republican calls to repeal it, Paul said that when it comes to the landmark health care bill, "throwing it all out is probably not going to happen."

He said the only hope Republicans have is to change the bill for the better. Paul said he will introduce his own legislative fix when the Congress returns from recess next week.

"There's one piece of legislation that I'm going to introduce, it's going to be one page long," he said. "It will be to remove the mandate so you don't have to participate if you don't want to."

His speech, which touched on his oft-repeated calls to close down American military bases overseas and shift toward libertarian-style social policy, drew cheers from the Paul fans in the crowd and what sounded like boos from others in the room.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

While I don't think he "scares anyone off" I do think that his intelligence presents a problem for the party that's increasingly presenting itself as the anti-elite, anti-ivory-tower, good ol' hardworking Joe party. (Which is one of the reasons Palin has enjoyed so much attention from the GOP.)



Perfect example: Google Palin's use of the phrase "snake oil science" in her recent speeches.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Quote

Quote

While I don't think he "scares anyone off" I do think that his intelligence presents a problem for the party that's increasingly presenting itself as the anti-elite, anti-ivory-tower, good ol' hardworking Joe party. (Which is one of the reasons Palin has enjoyed so much attention from the GOP.)



Perfect example: Google Palin's use of the phrase "snake oil science" in her recent speeches.



Dang it! Seems like Sarah will be too busy to run in 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgE8QsB_HHU
Remster

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's a bit early to determine now. Wonder if they're taking bets in Vegas. I picked Palin as McCain's VP candidate months out, but don't think I could pick the Republican candidate this far away. Think they're going to win, as long as they don't run Romney or an absolutely inept campaign like McCain did.

Few thoughts:

Barbour would be a great choice. Great record in MS. Comparing MS to LA's response to Katrina is just amazing. Tort reform would be a big thing there. Left wing pieces of shit would hate that.

Romney is unelectable. His record on health care in MA would enrage most of the right in light of the recent goat-fuck-stupid debacle thrust upon us.

Gingrich would be interesting. He's been cleared of all the ethics BS the lying liberal coward pieces of shit thrust upon him - unlike former GOV Palin (gotta love that cleavage complaint; can't say the yellow bellied piece of shit that came up with that one ISN'T creative). Outspoken. Been doing conservative circuit around the country.

Jindal. Doing good things in LA - especially given his predecessor. Could surprise us, though. Very bright guy.

Palin. Interesting wild card. Virtual celebrity status. Maligned by the media. She's not as dumb as made out to be, but I'm not sure if she could make it through the primaries and a campaign. VP potential again here.

Santorum - no chance.

Ron Paul. Nada.

Could comment further. I think Gingrich, Palin, and Romney are the three front-runners. Gingrich is the best choice among the three. Haley Barbour could run and win. Unlike the aforementioned, he doesn't seem to have been doing the conservative circuit and building up a base. Gingrich has been quietly (sometimes loudly) doing that for some time. He's best positioned and a formidable debater. Romney's unelectable, so my $$ would be on Gingrich with Barbour, Palin, or Jindal as the VP choice. We shall see. Long way off. Current GOP focus should be on 2010. Those serious about 2012 presidential potential should be out helping candidates in those elections. Hoping for a conservative sweep.

:)

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

0