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Quote"Our right to embrace Christ is no less than their right to embrace a perverse lifestyle."
Right on. Slayer rules.
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Slayer f'in rocks...some of my favorite tunes by them are Threshold and Seven Faces.
Favorite album -- God Hates Us All.
Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.
>>what do you have to offer those folks who suffer from unresolved issues of anger, anxiety, depression and guilt?
You mean all the symptoms of Christianity?
Anger- at God for allowing all the suffering in the world
Anxiety- is my repentence enough?
Depression- surely the world is screwed with all these heathens in it. And what about all my loved ones that went to hell?
Guilt- I'm such a terrible sinner that I need a savior
I would prescribe a hefty dose of reality with a side of putting on your big boy pants and f'n dealing with it.
You mean all the symptoms of Christianity?
Anger- at God for allowing all the suffering in the world
Anxiety- is my repentence enough?
Depression- surely the world is screwed with all these heathens in it. And what about all my loved ones that went to hell?
Guilt- I'm such a terrible sinner that I need a savior
I would prescribe a hefty dose of reality with a side of putting on your big boy pants and f'n dealing with it.
kallend 1,623
QuoteThat seems to be consistent with your apparent belief that if a man is hungry, it is better to give him a fish than to teach him how to fish. I understand.
Must be why I became a professional educator.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Andy9o8 0
QuoteQuoteThat seems to be consistent with your apparent belief that if a man is hungry, it is better to give him a fish than to teach him how to fish. I understand.
Must be why I became a professional educator.
Does that make you a fisher of men?
jakee 1,254
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Brothers and sistersParanoid lunatics in the Lord take note.
Fixed it.
QuoteChristianity is dying.
Yep, at a mere, what is it, 80% of your population(?) - it's practically on its last legs!
QuoteThe Anglican Church has been eviscerated, losing members as it succumbs to the liberal winds of female ordination and gay rights.
How dare they think those females and pansies are as good as decent, upstanding menfolk.
QuoteThe war waged by liberals on Christianity, however, has gone to a new, more dangerous level - one bordering on soft totalitarianism. Recently, the city of Davenport, Iowa, removed Good Friday from its municipal calendar.
That is unbelievably dangerous. Without a government issued calendar telling you so, how will you know it's Easter!?! Why isn't the Government doing everything for us!
QuoteHence, a memo was sent to municipal employees stating Good Friday would be officially known as "Spring Holiday."
Oh, hey look, it's still a holiday. The totalitarian war didn't really get that far, eh?
QuoteChristmas celebrations have become offensive. "Merry Christmas" is now considered to be politically incorrect; the proper greeting is "happy holidays."
And you will be arrested and/or excommunicated from polite society if you get it wrong. You have been warned.
QuoteThe same standards do not apply to Islam. Davenport's multiculturalists would never dare to remove say, Ramadan, from the calendar and rename it "Fasting Month" for fear of offending Muslims - and possibly triggering a fatwa.
D'ya reckon it was ever in there? D'ya reckon there are any Islamic holidays reflected in Davenport's municipal schedule?
QuoteOnce America loses its Christian identity, it will inevitably lose its freedoms.
Inevitably? Well shit, I'm convinced.
QuoteIf Christians do not rise from their apathy,
they will be driven into the catacombs once again.
Yep. It's only one small step from ruling super-majority to cowering, state-persecuted minority, and we've got you teetering on the edge buddy.
QuoteWe must boldly stand against any who attempt to degrade our Christian heritage. We must identify them as practicing one of the last acceptable forms of bigotry and hatred: Christophobia.
In other words, the big guy needs to keep beating up the little guy. Yay.
I've got to ask though, do you realise how absurd you people sound when you put on the poor oppressed victim routine? Christians run damn near everything in your country. You can't get elected for love nor money without spouting off about the big man.
When you start talking about being pushed underground you sound like Bill Gates moaning that he's going to be out begging on the streets if he can't get a new accountant. Just get some perspective on things man - you've got it good, why can't you just enjoy it?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
I'm disappointed in many of the replies here. Granted, Ron seems to have rather pronounced views in his belief, but many of the replies I've read in this thread strike me as uncalled for.
We are all engines of karma
Andy9o8 0
QuoteI'm disappointed in many of the replies here. Granted, Ron seems to have rather pronounced views in his belief, but many of the replies I've read in this thread strike me as uncalled for.
Ron's a big boy; he doesn't sugar-coat his views; he willingly, and frequently, puts his views on here inviting spirited debate. And to your point, he gives as good as he gets, and is unabashed about offending the general readership, just as many of us are. Over the course of many threads, it's very even. None of which, by the way, is intended as a criticism of Ron; just pointing out that even though Christians are horribly persecuted in America, RonD is not.
Go get 'em, Ron.
"Christophobia"
I read the article. It talks about rejection, but not fear.
Nobody is afraid of a myth. Deities and invisible beings are myths.
All religions are the same and worse than valueless.
They create an emotional crutch that ties their believers to them.
No one is afraid of religions (except perhaps for the actions of their living devotees).
People are tired of them though. There is a large difference
between being afraid and just being tired of the stupidity.
There is no linkage between the decline of religion and fear.
Religion is fading because it is a farce.
Quotepho·bi·a
/ˈfoʊbiə/ Show Spelled[foh-bee-uh] Show IPA
–noun
a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.
I read the article. It talks about rejection, but not fear.
Nobody is afraid of a myth. Deities and invisible beings are myths.
All religions are the same and worse than valueless.
They create an emotional crutch that ties their believers to them.
No one is afraid of religions (except perhaps for the actions of their living devotees).
People are tired of them though. There is a large difference
between being afraid and just being tired of the stupidity.
There is no linkage between the decline of religion and fear.
Religion is fading because it is a farce.
Shotgun 1
This has come up several times with the word "homophobia." "Phobia" can also refer to a strong dislike or aversion to something; it doesn't always refer to fear.
kallend 1,623
QuoteI'm disappointed in many of the replies here. Granted, Ron seems to have rather pronounced views in his belief, but many of the replies I've read in this thread strike me as uncalled for.
No-one forces him to proselytize here.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
RonD1120 58
My example was dumb. I was referring to your Marxist/socialist ideology.
QuoteQuoteThat seems to be consistent with your apparent belief that if a man is hungry, it is better to give him a fish than to teach him how to fish. I understand.
Must be why I became a professional educator.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
Amazon 7
QuoteMy example was dumb. I was referring to your Marxist/socialist ideology.
QuoteQuoteThat seems to be consistent with your apparent belief that if a man is hungry, it is better to give him a fish than to teach him how to fish. I understand.
Must be why I became a professional educator.
Where do you think the Lord would fit in todays economic spectrum???
RonD1120 58
2 Thessalonians 3:10 (New King James Version)
10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
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Where do you think the Lord would fit in todays economic spectrum???
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
maadmax 0
It is sad when anyone misses out on the spiritual opportunities God has given them, but I don't see the changes occurring in America or the world as any big deal. As Christians we all know the story of how this cycle of creation is going to end, and we all know what must happen before it does. Contrary to the Chinese proverb,
" May you not live in interesting times"... I thrive on interesting times.
" May you not live in interesting times"... I thrive on interesting times.
Amazon 7
Quote2 Thessalonians 3:10 (New King James Version)
10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.Quote
Where do you think the Lord would fit in todays economic spectrum???
John 6: 11-14 (King James Version)
11And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.
12When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.
13Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.
14Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
I guess there was a whole lot of work going on hmmmmmmm
Then all the good christians like the Dr in FL
Matthew 4:23 (New King James Version)
23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people.
I wonder how much he made off all those people for providing all that health care?
funjumper101 15
What a load of bullshit.
I don't give a fuck what god you worship, what church you go to, and how much faith you place in an ancient superstitious belief system. Just don't push that crap on ME!
This country is not like it was 50 years ago. The population on coasts is FAR more diverse than it was 50 years ago. There are many things that were acceptable at that time, but are no longer. Society evolves. Things change.
The fact that this secular nation is becoming MORE secular is a very good thing. The last thing we should EVER accept is for ANY religion to have more influence over our citizens. The goal should be LESS AND LESS religious influence, as not everyone is "christian", and the fact that the "christian" set of beliefs is not superior to any other set of beliefs. We do NOT need a christain taliban to push their view of right and wrong onto the rest of us.
I put up with a lot of crap from so called "christians" when I was growing up. My family did not attend church. Most of the people in our neighborhood were catholic. I was TOTALLY creeped out when I was about 8 years old when I figured out that the biggest deal in the catholic church was RITUAL CANNIBALISM, where they consumed the flesh and blood of Christ. I found that to be totally disgusting then, and I still do to this day. All the creepy mumbo jumbo, weird rituals, and the idea that a never married adult celibate man is in a position to give good advice to normal people is just plain NUTS. The kids in my neighborhood would NOT become altar boys, as the pervert child molestors were known to active, even that long ago.
More damage has been done in the name of religion than any other root cause.
I don't give a fuck what god you worship, what church you go to, and how much faith you place in an ancient superstitious belief system. Just don't push that crap on ME!
This country is not like it was 50 years ago. The population on coasts is FAR more diverse than it was 50 years ago. There are many things that were acceptable at that time, but are no longer. Society evolves. Things change.
The fact that this secular nation is becoming MORE secular is a very good thing. The last thing we should EVER accept is for ANY religion to have more influence over our citizens. The goal should be LESS AND LESS religious influence, as not everyone is "christian", and the fact that the "christian" set of beliefs is not superior to any other set of beliefs. We do NOT need a christain taliban to push their view of right and wrong onto the rest of us.
I put up with a lot of crap from so called "christians" when I was growing up. My family did not attend church. Most of the people in our neighborhood were catholic. I was TOTALLY creeped out when I was about 8 years old when I figured out that the biggest deal in the catholic church was RITUAL CANNIBALISM, where they consumed the flesh and blood of Christ. I found that to be totally disgusting then, and I still do to this day. All the creepy mumbo jumbo, weird rituals, and the idea that a never married adult celibate man is in a position to give good advice to normal people is just plain NUTS. The kids in my neighborhood would NOT become altar boys, as the pervert child molestors were known to active, even that long ago.
More damage has been done in the name of religion than any other root cause.
kallend 1,623
Quote2 Thessalonians 3:10 (New King James Version)
10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.Quote
Where do you think the Lord would fit in todays economic spectrum???
Yep, you can find something to support even the most extreme positions in the Bible. "He who does not work, neither shall he eat." Vladimir Lenin.
Paul would have fit right in the USSR of the 1920s.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Quote2 Thessalonians 3:10 (New King James Version)
10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.Quote
Where do you think the Lord would fit in todays economic spectrum???
Matthew 6:25-34
Quote25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
28"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
Also, I'm curious: why does it seem (to me anyway) that evangelical "Christians" use the Old Testament and the letters as the source of most of their beliefs while largely ignoring the Gospels? You know, the books filled with stuff that Jesus actually said and did. Always seemed odd to me.
As for the original post, the United States is not a Christian nation or Islamic nation or Buddhist nation. Above all else, it's a capitalist nation. If Christianity is losing followers, it's because it's failing to compete in the marketplace of ideas. You might want to think about removing the beam from your own eyes (for example, the Catholic Church might want to think about not helping to hide the fucking child molesters) before you start worrying about the motes the rest of us our rocking. Just some friendly advice.
jclalor 12
QuoteThe Ten Commandments
cannot be displayed in courtrooms or classes. Prayer has been
banished from public schools.
It's amazing how much you have in common with the Taliban. The fact is you are living through one of the greatest times in the history of man. For 1900 years we lived in a time when superstition was the norm, but now with the advent of science,we are losing the superstitions of our ancestors and living a realty based life. Your beleif system will soon become a thing of the past, perhaps in your lifetime.
If I truly beleived that I would spend eternity flying around heaven with wings, why would I care about what all the godless heathens are doing here? Hell, I would be packing fast, pulling low, down sizing on a monthly basis. What would it matter if I truly knew I would have ever lasting life? Somehow I think you christians don's fully by into all this crap.
jclalor 12
On a some what related note, I really do not want to know anything about the religion or political beliefs of people I jump with. I enjoy skydiving way too much to ever let stuff like that sway my opinion of someone.
Royd 0
Are you just lazy, or does typing the word,"Christ" make your fingers burn and your mind spin?QuoteFurther, I think that the big picture here would show that your (the xtians) 'haters' are not specifically against xtianity. The people you call "christophobes" (and I LOVE that by the way, hilarious and legitimate) are more "beliefophobes". I personally dislike the political influence of every organized religion, not just xtianity.
Xtianity is simply the most popular and most evident. AND it is the spiritual backing you put behind W and Palin. terrifying.
The left, in all their secularity, are rampant, with religious practices.
Whether it's tree hugging environmentalists, doomsday global warmists or animal rights advocates, of every sort.
All of the markers of religion, are alive and well, in every one of these movements.
We have an overriding cause, sins, guilt, atonement, indulgences, believers, and infedels, who must be destroyed or marginalized.
We have a theocracy, who's authority, must not be questioned.
As they say, if religion didn't exist, humans would invent it...It's in our DNA, which should tell you something.
jakee 1,254
QuoteWe have an overriding cause, sins, guilt, atonement, indulgences, believers, and infedels, who must be destroyed or marginalized.
We have a theocracy, who's authority, must not be questioned.
Sorry, is this your argument for religion?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
Personally, I find the Albert Ellis type of psychology to be helpful with these issues. And I find meditation and other Buddhist-type principles and practices to be helpful. Exercise and a healthy diet are good too, and perhaps medication in severe cases.
And I'm sure that Christianity is helpful for those who believe in it, but for those of us who don't, it is mostly meaningless.
I guess there is no "one size fits all" answer for dealing with such issues.
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