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But if they continue to present themselves as batshit crazy, people might think that the incompetent party is better than the psychotic one.

Well, a just incompetent party is definitely better than both psychotic AND incompetent.

Regard the bill, just got back from a long trip to Europe (which was indeed a miracle that I survived there with all those criminals around preying on unarmed victims without guns - Jesus helped me!). I was out in a Bucharest pub at the night the healthcare bill passed, drinking tasty cold Ursus and chatting with nice locals. And there in a pub was a couple of right-wing idiots loudly discussing the just passed bill. And hearing their whines about "socialism", "spending their money without their consent" indeed made my day. And when I imagined how some dz.com conservatives would be whining, that made me even happier. Horrah!!!

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Did you think Bush was a fascist?

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67% think he's a socialist
45% think he was not born in the US
38% think he is doing "many things Hitler did"
24% think Obama may literally be the Antichrist

Kinda makes me miss the neo-cons. Aren't they supposed to be the "smart republicans"?

Speaking of neo-cons speaking, Ann Coulter's latest speech at the University of Ottawa:

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Coulter's tasteless comment came after previously she told a gathering that Muslims shouldn't be allowed on airplanes and should take "flying carpets."

The camel quip came when Muslim student Fatima Al-Dhaher challenged Coulter on the remark - and told her she didn't have a flying carpet.

"What mode of transportation?" Coulter responded. "Take a camel."

See, it's cultural sensitivity like that, which makes me think some of these people shouldn't be as influential as they are.

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Honestly, if somebody called me and asked as stupid a question as "Do you think is the antichrist?", I'd have a hard time not saying yes just to fuck with their idiotic poll.

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Coulter's tasteless comment came after previously she told a gathering that Muslims shouldn't be allowed on airplanes and should take "flying carpets."

The camel quip came when Muslim student Fatima Al-Dhaher challenged Coulter on the remark - and told her she didn't have a flying carpet.

"What mode of transportation?" Coulter responded. "Take a camel."

I thought it was funny. Some people need to get over themselves.

Please don't dent the planet.

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Recent Harris poll of Republicans:

67% think he's a socialist
45% think he was not born in the US
38% think he is doing "many things Hitler did"
24% think Obama may literally be the Antichrist

Maybe more intelligent debate and less crazy might sell a little better.

are you asserting that ALL of those are not correct?

I'd say 2 of 4.

We've already discussed many times some of the socalist parts of his agenda.

Last time I brought up the things he had in common with Hitler I was basically told "yeah, so what. STFU"
He is doing many of the things Hitler is. And anyone who voted for him should not dispute that (with some qualifications). You're better educated than to just think all Hitler did was the bad things.

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He is doing many of the things Hitler is.

What "is" Hitler doing?

When people refer to Hitler, it's more of a metaphor-example that describes Naziism, Fascism and totalitarianism. What Hitler did in that context was:

- Build concentration camps for his own citizens that didn't agree with his principles
- Invade other countries without cause
- Build concentration camps in those countries for their citizens that were captured just for being dissident or Jewish
- Enslave prisoners or anyone that wasn't in his favor to build war products
- Murder millions as a way of cleansing the population of those he didn't like
- Have human medical tests performed


That is Hitlerism; what did you have in mind that made Obama like Hitler?

When people call the Republican Party or Bush, Nazis, that is a metaphor too, as they don't perform the above atrocities either, obviously. If left unchecked, would they? Some of it probably, esp if we investigate their bias. When Hitler took office in Jan 33 he had concentration camps built in Germany to house German dissidents. In these camps he placed the following people adorned in jumpsuits that has the following colored triangles on them:

- Red triangle—political prisoners: communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, Freemasons, anarchists.

- Green triangle— "habitual criminals" (convicts, ofttimes Kapos, serving in exchange for reduced sentences or parole).

- Blue triangle—foreign forced laborers, emigrants.

- Pink triangle—sexual offenders which included homosexual men along with rapists, bestiality and pedophiles.

- Purple triangle—"Bible Students" (Jehovah's Witnesses).

- Black triangle—people who were deemed "asocial elements" and "work shy" including
Roma (Gypsies), who were later assigned a brown triangle
The mentally retarded
The mentally ill
Alcoholics
Vagrants and beggars
Pacifists
Conscription resisters
Prostitutes
Some anarchists.
Brown triangle—Roma (Gypsies) (previously wore the black triangle).
Uninverted red triangle—an enemy POW, spy or a deserter.

So you see these political attributes are what the RW despises; communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, homosexual men and Jehovah's Witnesses.

That is why people refer to Bush as a Nazi, it is just ridiculous to refer to liberals as such, it shows the gross lack of understanding of the Nazi Party. However, as a metaphor, it is fair to call Obama a Communist. He's really a quasi-Socialist, but metaphors are generally exaggerations. I can't figure why people metaphorically or literally call Obama a Nazi, Hitler, etc - it just doesn't fit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges

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Some of the actions in Germany can be seen in both parting here in the US today however, there are some unique to each party

For your consideration
http://www2.dsu.nodak.edu/users/dmeier/Holocaust/hitler.html

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The Creation of the Nazi Dictatorship, 1933-1939
Phase One, 1933-1934
Nazi domestic policy can be broken into three phases beginning with 1933-34. During these years, Hitler consolidated his authority through the destruction of all other political parties, "coordination" of all aspects of German life, and the liquidation of dissent among Nazis and conservatives. After taking office as chancellor, Hitler quickly out maneuvered Papen and the conservative nationalists.

The Reichstag Fire, February 1933

A new Reichstag election was scheduled for early March 1933. Only a few days before the election, on February 27, the Reichstag building was partially destroyed by fire. The Nazis may well have set the blaze, but they blamed the Communists, charging that the Communists were plotting to seize power. Hitler convinced Hindenburg to take strong action against the supposed Communist threat, and the president suspended freedom of speech and the press and other civil liberties.

March 1933 Election

The Nazis stepped up their harassment of their political opponents, and the March 5 election was held in an atmosphere of fear and intimidation. Polling 44 percent of the votes, the Nazis won 288 seats in the Reichstag. With the support of their conservative nationalist allies, who held 52 seats, the Nazis controlled a majority of the 647 member Reichstag. The Nazi majority was even more substantial, since none of the 81 Communist deputies were allowed to take their seats.

The Enabling Act, March 1933

On March 23, 1933, the Reichstag passed the Enabling Act, which gave dictatorial authority to Hitler's cabinet for four years. Armed with full powers, Hitler moved to eliminate all possible centers of opposition. His policy is known as Gleichschaltung, which translates literally as coordination. In this context, however, it meant more precisely subordination, that is, subordinating all independent institutions to the authority of Hitler and the Nazi Party.

It was the Enabling Act of March 23, 1933, which in a legal way conferred dictatorial powers on Adolf Hitler. Only 94 Social Democratic votes were cast against it. The date for its abrogation (see Article 5) was never kept. Indeed, the Enabling Act is the last measure which the Reichstag passed under the republican and democratic Constitution of the Republic. It spelled its end and the beginning of National Socialist dictatorship.

Article 1. Laws of the Reich can also be promulgated by the Reich government apart from the method prescribed by the Constitution.

Article 2. Laws decided upon by the government of the Reich can depart from the Constitution of the Reich, in so far as they do not touch the existence as such, of such institutions as the Reichstag and the Reichsrat. The rights of the Reichspresident remain untouched....

Article 4. Treaties of the Reich with foreign powers which have reference to matters concerning the laws of the Reich, do not need the consent of the bodies which had part in the making of such laws, as long as this present law is valid.

Article 5. This law is in force on the day of its promulgation. It is abrogated on April 1, 1937; it is further abrogated if the present government of the Reich is replaced by another. (9)

Consolidation of Nazi Power

In April 1933, the government abolished self-government in the German states by appointing governors responsible to the central government in Berlin. The states lost even more power in January 1934 when the Reichsrat, the upper house of the parliament, was abolished. The Reichsrat had represented the states.

In May 1933, the Nazis ordered the abolition of the independent labor unions. Both strikes and lockouts were prohibited, and a system of compulsory arbitration of labor-management disputes was established. All workers were compelled to join the German Labor Front, an agency of the Nazi Party, which was designed primarily to promote labor discipline rather than the interests of the workers.

During the spring of 1933, the Nazis moved to eliminate opposition political parties. In July, the Nazi Party became the only legal party.

Almost a year later, on June 30, 1934, Hitler carried out a purge that took the lives of a number of dissident Nazi leaders and other opponents. The exact number of victims has never been determined, although it probably exceeded one hundred. Ernst Röhm, the SA leader, was among these victims. The influence of the SA now declined, while that of Himmler's SS, which provided the executioners for the purge, increased. Himmler also controlled the Gestapo, the secret police created by the Nazis.

Following the death of President Hindenburg on August 2, 1934, Hitler abolished the office of president and assumed the president's powers. The members of the armed forces were now required to take an oath of allegiance to Hitler. This oath represented an important step in the establishment of Hitler's control over Germany's armed forces.

Nazi Anti-Semitism: Practice

Soon after taking power in 1933, the Nazis began a campaign directed against Germany's Jews, who numbered some 600,000, about 1 percent of the population. In April 1933, Jews were deprived of their positions in the civil service. Jews were also barred from the universities, and restrictions were imposed on Jewish physicians and lawyers. The Nazis organized a nationwide boycott of shops and other businesses owned by Jews.
Phase Two, 1935-1937
Phase two (1935-1937) focused on the militarization and conversion of all Germans to enthusiastic support of National Socialism.

The Nuremberg Laws, 1935

The campaign against the Jews was intensified following the adoption of the Nuremberg Laws of 1935. These laws defined a Jew as any person with at least one Jewish grandparent. Some 2.5 million Germans, in addition to the 600,000 who regarded themselves as Jews, were affected by this definition. The Nuremberg Laws deprived Jews of their rights as citizens, and Jews were barred from marrying non-Jews.
Phase Three, 1937-1939
Finally, phase three (1935-1939) was characterized by rapid, bloodless diplomatic and military strokes to win applause at home while liquidating opposition elements in the military and churches.

Crystal Night, 1938

In 1938, a Polish Jew assassinated a German diplomat in Paris. In response, the Nazis organized a campaign of mob violence known as the Crystal Night, which gained its name from the broken glass resulting from the destruction of synagogues and Jewish-owned businesses. Jews were now forced to wear a yellow star of David, and the German Jewish community was compelled to pay a large indemnity.

These measures against the Jews of Germany served as a prelude to the Holocaust of World War II, when the Nazis embarked on a campaign to exterminate the Jews of Europe.
The Nazis and the Christian Churches
The failure of German Christians, both Catholics and Protestants, to offer vigorous resistance to the crimes of the Nazis in general and to their persecution of the Jews, in particular, has been the subject of much historical controversy. Nevertheless, for German Christians the Nazi era was a time of pressure and persecution.

The Evangelical Church

The Nazis attempted to subordinate the Christian churches to their control. The major Protestant denomination, the German Evangelical Church, was forced to accept the direction of a handpicked national bishop. Dissenting Protestants established the Confessing Church under the leadership of Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892-1984). He and other dissident churchmen were imprisoned in concentration camps.

The Catholic Church

In July 1933, the Nazi regime signed a concordat with the Vatican, pledging to maintain the traditional rights of the Catholic Church in Germany. Increasing violations of the concordat led to protests from Catholic leaders. In 1937, Pope Pius XI (r. 1922-1939) joined these protests, issuing the encyclical letter Mit Brennender Sorge ("With Burning Concern"). For the most part, however, both Protestant and Catholic leaders sought to avoid direct confrontations with the Nazi regime.
Nazi Economic Policy
Nazi regimentation extended to the economic sphere, although the property and profits of the capitalists were protected. In practical terms, the word "socialist" in the name of the Nazi Party did not refer to the nationalization of the means of production but rather to requiring the economy to serve the interests of the state.
Hitler succeeded in reducing unemployment by initiating public works projects, including the construction of superhighways (autobahns), and establishing the Labor Service to provide jobs for young workers who could not find employment in the private sector. In 1936, the Four Year Plan was launched with the purpose of promoting economic self-sufficiency and of mobilizing the economy for war.
Nazi Foreign Policy, 1933-1935
National Socialist foreign policy objective: revision of the Versailles Treaty as a preliminary to the conquest of additional living-space. Though Hitler pledged German will to preserve the peace, he rejected the policy of collective security and advocated bilateral agreements.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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He is doing many of the things Hitler is.

What "is" Hitler doing?

When people refer to Hitler, it's more of a metaphor-example that describes Naziism, Fascism and totalitarianism. What Hitler did in that context was:

- Build concentration camps for his own citizens that didn't agree with his principles
- Invade other countries without cause
- Build concentration camps in those countries for their citizens that were captured just for being dissident or Jewish
- Enslave prisoners or anyone that wasn't in his favor to build war products
- Murder millions as a way of cleansing the population of those he didn't like
- Have human medical tests performed


That is Hitlerism; what did you have in mind that made Obama like Hitler?

When people call the Republican Party or Bush, Nazis, that is a metaphor too, as they don't perform the above atrocities either, obviously. If left unchecked, would they? Some of it probably, esp if we investigate their bias. When Hitler took office in Jan 33 he had concentration camps built in Germany to house German dissidents. In these camps he placed the following people adorned in jumpsuits that has the following colored triangles on them:

- Red triangle—political prisoners: communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, Freemasons, anarchists.

- Green triangle— "habitual criminals" (convicts, ofttimes Kapos, serving in exchange for reduced sentences or parole).

- Blue triangle—foreign forced laborers, emigrants.

- Pink triangle—sexual offenders which included homosexual men along with rapists, bestiality and pedophiles.

- Purple triangle—"Bible Students" (Jehovah's Witnesses).

- Black triangle—people who were deemed "asocial elements" and "work shy" including
Roma (Gypsies), who were later assigned a brown triangle
The mentally retarded
The mentally ill
Alcoholics
Vagrants and beggars
Pacifists
Conscription resisters
Prostitutes
Some anarchists.
Brown triangle—Roma (Gypsies) (previously wore the black triangle).
Uninverted red triangle—an enemy POW, spy or a deserter.

So you see these political attributes are what the RW despises; communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, homosexual men and Jehovah's Witnesses.

That is why people refer to Bush as a Nazi, it is just ridiculous to refer to liberals as such, it shows the gross lack of understanding of the Nazi Party. However, as a metaphor, it is fair to call Obama a Communist. He's really a quasi-Socialist, but metaphors are generally exaggerations. I can't figure why people metaphorically or literally call Obama a Nazi, Hitler, etc - it just doesn't fit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges

To rescue Germany from the socio-economic chaos established by the world-wide Great Depression, Nazism promoted a politico-economic “Third Way”; a managed economy, neither capitalist nor communist.[14][15] The far-right character of Nazism was established with the purging of the anti-capitalist Black Front and Strasserism, leftist Nazi sub-groups motivated by nationalist rancour towards Germany’s conditions under the Treaty of Versailles, and a perceived internal Judæo–Bolshevist conspiracy that abetted military defeat. The defeat-induced social, political, cultural and economic ills of Weimar democracy proved critical to the ideologic consolidation of Nazism, and its successful electoral challenges to the Weimar Constitution of the Deutsches Reich, which allowed the Nazi Party to legally assume power of German government in 1933.

The term Nazi derives from the first two syllables of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party).[16] Members of the Nazi Party identified themselves as Nationalsozialisten (National Socialists), rarely as Nazis. The German term Nazi parallels the analogous political term Sozi, an abbreviation for a member of the Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands (Social Democratic Party of Germany).

Nazi Germany was ideologically based upon the racially-defined Deutsche Volk (German People), which denied the limitations of nationalism.[25] The Nazi Party and the German people were consolidated in the Volksgemeinschaft (People’s Community), a late-nineteenth-century neologism defining the citizens’ communal duty is to the Reich, rather than to civil society, the citizen-nation basis of Nazism; the socialism would be realized via common duty to the volk, by service to the Third Reich in establishing Großdeutschland, the embodying locus of the peoples’ will. Hence, Nazism encouraged ultra-nationalism, to establish a world-dominating, Aryan Volksgemeinschaft. The précis of this central tenet of Mein Kampf is the motto Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer (One People, One Empire, One Leader).

Hitler extended his rationalizations into a religious doctrine supported by his criticism of traditional Roman Catholicism. In particular, and closely related to Positive Christianity, he objected to Catholicism because it was not the religion of an exclusive race and its culture. Simultaneously, the Nazis integrated to Nazism the community elements of Lutheranism, from its organic pagan past. Hitlerian theology integrated militarism by proposing that his was a true, master-religion, because it would create mastery by avoiding comforting lies. About religions that preached love, tolerance, and equality “in contravention to the facts”, Hitler said they were false, slave religions, and that the man who recognized said “truths” was a “natural leader”, whilst deniers were “natural slaves”; hence, slaves, especially the intelligent, continually hindered their masters with false religions.

I can pick and choose as well...... seems like many of the beliefs of the Nazi's do line up with the left and Obama.

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OK, in typical Rush fashion you cut-n-paste, now teh tough part: ACTUALLY USE YOUR SEEMINGLY LEGITIMATE REFERENCE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT.

This is where you have to take passages from that article and I guess draw a conection between Hitler's agenda and Obama's. Don't be abstract, just make an argument.

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OK, in typical Rush fashion you cut-n-paste, now teh tough part: ACTUALLY USE YOUR SEEMINGLY LEGITIMATE REFERENCE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT.

This is where you have to take passages from that article and I guess draw a conection between Hitler's agenda and Obama's. Don't be abstract, just make an argument.

Dude
I didnt draw any conclusions but you made some major fucked up assumptions

sheesash

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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OK, in typical Rush fashion you cut-n-paste, now teh tough part: ACTUALLY USE YOUR SEEMINGLY LEGITIMATE REFERENCE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT.

This is where you have to take passages from that article and I guess draw a conection between Hitler's agenda and Obama's. Don't be abstract, just make an argument.

Read my comment.... that is what you are doing. You are making the statment that Obama is not doing things that Hitler did or that he does not believe in things Hitler did because Obama doesn't want to throw people in camps. I'd say that's a pretty big cut and paste.

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OK, in typical Rush fashion you cut-n-paste, now teh tough part: ACTUALLY USE YOUR SEEMINGLY LEGITIMATE REFERENCE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT.

This is where you have to take passages from that article and I guess draw a conection between Hitler's agenda and Obama's. Don't be abstract, just make an argument.

Read my comment.... that is what you are doing. You are making the statment that Obama is not doing things that Hitler did or that he does not believe in things Hitler did because Obama doesn't want to throw people in camps. I'd say that's a pretty big cut and paste.

He cant cut n paste because most of what is out there goes against his posts, that he considers irrefutable

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I can pick and choose as well...... seems like many of the beliefs of the Nazi's do line up with the left and Obama.

It's not picking and chosing, it's taking the basic template for which Hitler stood and seeing if it applies to current or past presidents.

Disecting various words might be nice for an abstarct argument, but when you take general principles it has no meaning.

Also, the circa relevance is key, 1930's Fascim is far different from current neo-fascsim in that totalitarianism is absent, at least in western countries - fiscal fascism is more the order.

I laugh and consider people to be stupid when they think, in a contemporary sense (not 1930's) that fascism and socialism can live in harmony; they oppose each other in most/all functions. No one in this thread has done that yet, I'm sure they won't. If you want to tie-in fascisma nd socialism, do so in a 1930's sense and it has relevance.

So you, like Rush, make no argument, just a cut-n-paste circus....still waiting for a substantive argument.

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OK, in typical Rush fashion you cut-n-paste, now teh tough part: ACTUALLY USE YOUR SEEMINGLY LEGITIMATE REFERENCE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT.

This is where you have to take passages from that article and I guess draw a conection between Hitler's agenda and Obama's. Don't be abstract, just make an argument.

Dude
I didnt draw any conclusions but you made some major fucked up assumptions

sheesash

You posted that cut-n-paste as a counter to me saying it is ridiculous to tie togther Obama and Naziism. Example:

Some of the actions in Germany can be seen in both parting here in the US today however, there are some unique to each party

Again, MAKE AN ARGUMENT.

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Let me make it easier for you.

PREAMBLE:

What "is" Hitler doing?

When people refer to Hitler, it's more of a metaphor-example that describes Naziism, Fascism and totalitarianism. What Hitler did in that context was:

- Build concentration camps for his own citizens that didn't agree with his principles
- Invade other countries without cause
- Build concentration camps in those countries for their citizens that were captured just for being dissident or Jewish
- Enslave prisoners or anyone that wasn't in his favor to build war products
- Murder millions as a way of cleansing the population of those he didn't like
- Have human medical tests performed


That is Hitlerism; what did you have in mind that made Obama like Hitler?

When people call the Republican Party or Bush, Nazis, that is a metaphor too, as they don't perform the above atrocities either, obviously. If left unchecked, would they? Some of it probably, esp if we investigate their bias. When Hitler took office in Jan 33 he had concentration camps built in Germany to house German dissidents. In these camps he placed the following people adorned in jumpsuits that has the following colored triangles on them:


PASTED REFERENCE:

- Red triangle—political prisoners: communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, Freemasons, anarchists.

- Green triangle— "habitual criminals" (convicts, ofttimes Kapos, serving in exchange for reduced sentences or parole).

- Blue triangle—foreign forced laborers, emigrants.

- Pink triangle—sexual offenders which included homosexual men along with rapists, bestiality and pedophiles.

- Purple triangle—"Bible Students" (Jehovah's Witnesses).

- Black triangle—people who were deemed "asocial elements" and "work shy" including
Roma (Gypsies), who were later assigned a brown triangle
The mentally retarded
The mentally ill
Alcoholics
Vagrants and beggars
Pacifists
Conscription resisters
Prostitutes
Some anarchists.
Brown triangle—Roma (Gypsies) (previously wore the black triangle).
Uninverted red triangle—an enemy POW, spy or a deserter.


CONCLUSION:

So you see these political attributes are what the RW despises; communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, homosexual men and Jehovah's Witnesses.

That is why people refer to Bush as a Nazi, it is just ridiculous to refer to liberals as such, it shows the gross lack of understanding of the Nazi Party. However, as a metaphor, it is fair to call Obama a Communist. He's really a quasi-Socialist, but metaphors are generally exaggerations. I can't figure why people metaphorically or literally call Obama a Nazi, Hitler, etc - it just doesn't fit.


CITATION:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...ntration_camp_badges

W/o doing a word count, probably 70% of my post were my words, the cut-paste was just the part I wanted to reference. You posted an inference and maybe 10% of your post were your words. You made no argument, just a lean toward an inference. So, WE DID NOT POST IN THE SAME FASHION.

Now, since we're done defining who posted how, why not take a shot at aligning Obama and Hitler. Again, don't be abstract. If you don't want to do that, then pls give us all some stock market advice.

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I can pick and choose as well...... seems like many of the beliefs of the Nazi's do line up with the left and Obama.

It's not picking and chosing, it's taking the basic template for which Hitler stood and seeing if it applies to current or past presidents.

Disecting various words might be nice for an abstarct argument, but when you take general principles it has no meaning.

Also, the circa relevance is key, 1930's Fascim is far different from current neo-fascsim in that totalitarianism is absent, at least in western countries - fiscal fascism is more the order.

I laugh and consider people to be stupid when they think, in a contemporary sense (not 1930's) that fascism and socialism can live in harmony; they oppose each other in most/all functions. No one in this thread has done that yet, I'm sure they won't. If you want to tie-in fascisma nd socialism, do so in a 1930's sense and it has relevance.

So you, like Rush, make no argument, just a cut-n-paste circus....still waiting for a substantive argument.

You are citing that a Nazi throws people in camps but there was much more politically to what the party stood for and socialism in many ways mirrors what the far left Dems want to do...... like you

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OK, in typical Rush fashion you cut-n-paste, now teh tough part: ACTUALLY USE YOUR SEEMINGLY LEGITIMATE REFERENCE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT.

This is where you have to take passages from that article and I guess draw a conection between Hitler's agenda and Obama's. Don't be abstract, just make an argument.

Read my comment.... that is what you are doing. You are making the statment that Obama is not doing things that Hitler did or that he does not believe in things Hitler did because Obama doesn't want to throw people in camps. I'd say that's a pretty big cut and paste.

He cant cut n paste because most of what is out there goes against his posts, that he considers irrefutable

You have 4 options here:

- Actually try to refute my argument that it is ridiculous to align Obama and Hitler

- Create an argument of your own that aligns Obama and Hitler

- Continue to avoid the issue

- Run along

In case you want to refute mine, I'll post it again:

What "is" Hitler doing?

When people refer to Hitler, it's more of a metaphor-example that describes Naziism, Fascism and totalitarianism. What Hitler did in that context was:

- Build concentration camps for his own citizens that didn't agree with his principles
- Invade other countries without cause
- Build concentration camps in those countries for their citizens that were captured just for being dissident or Jewish
- Enslave prisoners or anyone that wasn't in his favor to build war products
- Murder millions as a way of cleansing the population of those he didn't like
- Have human medical tests performed


That is Hitlerism; what did you have in mind that made Obama like Hitler?

When people call the Republican Party or Bush, Nazis, that is a metaphor too, as they don't perform the above atrocities either, obviously. If left unchecked, would they? Some of it probably, esp if we investigate their bias. When Hitler took office in Jan 33 he had concentration camps built in Germany to house German dissidents. In these camps he placed the following people adorned in jumpsuits that has the following colored triangles on them:

- Red triangle—political prisoners: communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, Freemasons, anarchists.

- Green triangle— "habitual criminals" (convicts, ofttimes Kapos, serving in exchange for reduced sentences or parole).

- Blue triangle—foreign forced laborers, emigrants.

- Pink triangle—sexual offenders which included homosexual men along with rapists, bestiality and pedophiles.

- Purple triangle—"Bible Students" (Jehovah's Witnesses).

- Black triangle—people who were deemed "asocial elements" and "work shy" including
Roma (Gypsies), who were later assigned a brown triangle
The mentally retarded
The mentally ill
Alcoholics
Vagrants and beggars
Pacifists
Conscription resisters
Prostitutes
Some anarchists.
Brown triangle—Roma (Gypsies) (previously wore the black triangle).
Uninverted red triangle—an enemy POW, spy or a deserter.

So you see these political attributes are what the RW despises; communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, homosexual men and Jehovah's Witnesses.

That is why people refer to Bush as a Nazi, it is just ridiculous to refer to liberals as such, it shows the gross lack of understanding of the Nazi Party. However, as a metaphor, it is fair to call Obama a Communist. He's really a quasi-Socialist, but metaphors are generally exaggerations. I can't figure why people metaphorically or literally call Obama a Nazi, Hitler, etc - it just doesn't fit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...ntration_camp_badges

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OK, in typical Rush fashion you cut-n-paste, now teh tough part: ACTUALLY USE YOUR SEEMINGLY LEGITIMATE REFERENCE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT.

This is where you have to take passages from that article and I guess draw a conection between Hitler's agenda and Obama's. Don't be abstract, just make an argument.

So bec you post an opinion piece that states when people cpmpare someone to Hitler they are doing A,B,or C that has to be totally right..... right

There cannot be a D or even a .... *gasp*.... K

People are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on. I'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views.

Read my comment.... that is what you are doing. You are making the statment that Obama is not doing things that Hitler did or that he does not believe in things Hitler did because Obama doesn't want to throw people in camps. I'd say that's a pretty big cut and paste.

He cant cut n paste because most of what is out there goes against his posts, that he considers irrefutable

You have 4 options here:

- Actually try to refute my argument that it is ridiculous to align Obama and Hitler

- Create an argument of your own that aligns Obama and Hitler

- Continue to avoid the issue

- Run along

In case you want to refute mine, I'll post it again:

What "is" Hitler doing?

When people refer to Hitler, it's more of a metaphor-example that describes Naziism, Fascism and totalitarianism. What Hitler did in that context was:

- Build concentration camps for his own citizens that didn't agree with his principles
- Invade other countries without cause
- Build concentration camps in those countries for their citizens that were captured just for being dissident or Jewish
- Enslave prisoners or anyone that wasn't in his favor to build war products
- Murder millions as a way of cleansing the population of those he didn't like
- Have human medical tests performed


That is Hitlerism; what did you have in mind that made Obama like Hitler?

When people call the Republican Party or Bush, Nazis, that is a metaphor too, as they don't perform the above atrocities either, obviously. If left unchecked, would they? Some of it probably, esp if we investigate their bias. When Hitler took office in Jan 33 he had concentration camps built in Germany to house German dissidents. In these camps he placed the following people adorned in jumpsuits that has the following colored triangles on them:

- Red triangle—political prisoners: communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, Freemasons, anarchists.

- Green triangle— "habitual criminals" (convicts, ofttimes Kapos, serving in exchange for reduced sentences or parole).

- Blue triangle—foreign forced laborers, emigrants.

- Pink triangle—sexual offenders which included homosexual men along with rapists, bestiality and pedophiles.

- Purple triangle—"Bible Students" (Jehovah's Witnesses).

- Black triangle—people who were deemed "asocial elements" and "work shy" including
Roma (Gypsies), who were later assigned a brown triangle
The mentally retarded
The mentally ill
Alcoholics
Vagrants and beggars
Pacifists
Conscription resisters
Prostitutes
Some anarchists.
Brown triangle—Roma (Gypsies) (previously wore the black triangle).
Uninverted red triangle—an enemy POW, spy or a deserter.

So you see these political attributes are what the RW despises; communists, trade unionists, liberals, social democrats, homosexual men and Jehovah's Witnesses.

That is why people refer to Bush as a Nazi, it is just ridiculous to refer to liberals as such, it shows the gross lack of understanding of the Nazi Party. However, as a metaphor, it is fair to call Obama a Communist. He's really a quasi-Socialist, but metaphors are generally exaggerations. I can't figure why people metaphorically or literally call Obama a Nazi, Hitler, etc - it just doesn't fit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...ntration_camp_badges

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I can pick and choose as well...... seems like many of the beliefs of the Nazi's do line up with the left and Obama.

It's not picking and chosing, it's taking the basic template for which Hitler stood and seeing if it applies to current or past presidents.

Disecting various words might be nice for an abstarct argument, but when you take general principles it has no meaning.

Also, the circa relevance is key, 1930's Fascim is far different from current neo-fascsim in that totalitarianism is absent, at least in western countries - fiscal fascism is more the order.

I laugh and consider people to be stupid when they think, in a contemporary sense (not 1930's) that fascism and socialism can live in harmony; they oppose each other in most/all functions. No one in this thread has done that yet, I'm sure they won't. If you want to tie-in fascisma nd socialism, do so in a 1930's sense and it has relevance.

So you, like Rush, make no argument, just a cut-n-paste circus....still waiting for a substantive argument.

You are citing that a Nazi throws people in camps but there was much more politically to what the party stood for and socialism in many ways mirrors what the far left Dems want to do...... like you

Now this is the really tough part Stan, put down your Wall Street Journal and go pay your margin calls (I'm sorry the market hasn't tanked), ACTUALLY CREATE AN ARGUMENT THAT ALIGNS OBAMA TO HITLER.

Keep in mind that when peopel call GWB a Hitler, they mean that metaphorically, not litterally. GWB did all he could to pass anti-gay agendas, kill all socialist ideals, kill organized labor (Ovetime Law that rewrote the 1938 FLSA), etc. If ya wanna go a little further, we could cite Guantanamo as a concentration camp, but that is a bit removed, not totally though.

It is appropriate to call GWB a Nazi, Hitler, etc. Just as it is ok to call Obama a Communist, Carl Marx, etc. It is just errant and desperate to call Obama a Nazi as he opposes the type of fascist tyranny that is perpetuated by that ideology.

Also, you cannot get lost in the translation of then and now, meaning socialism then is different than now. Also, you cannot get lost in the translation of here and there, as a Canadian conservative is a like a US liberal.

I realize it's insulting to have your party refered to as Nazi, but the metaphore is as true as the metaphore of US libs being commies.

Now, tie in Obama to Hitler in some way, hopefully not obscure. Again, when people think Nazi Germany, Hitler, etc they think of a totalitarian, controlling, anhilist that was extremely conservative.

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>I thought it was funny. Some people need to get over themselves.

Some other funny stuff:

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Lawmakers face death threats over health bill

Sheldon Alberts, Canwest News Service
Published: Friday, March 26, 2010

WASHINGTON - The anonymous caller to the office of Louise Slaughter, a Democratic representative, left no doubt about his intentions. With debate raging in Congress over the passage of landmark health-care legislation, he threatened "snipers" would kill the children of anyone who voted yes.

The messages to Bart Stupak, a Michigan Democrat, were even more graphic. The anti-abortion congressman who voted for the health-care bill, was called a "bastard and a baby-killer," a "baby-murdering scumbag" and warned he would die "either by the hand of man or by the hand of God."
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Blogger Urges Protesters to Throw Bricks
Published : Thursday, 25 Mar 2010, 11:15 AM EDT

(CANVAS STAFF REPORTS) - Encouraging people to throw bricks through Democratic Party office windows could bring Alabama blogger Mike Vanderboegh just what he wants: the chance to spread his anti-big-government views.
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Exercise voting rights to express discontent
Issue date: 3/26/10 Section: Opinion

The best way to exemplify your opposition to health care is to throw bricks through your representatives' office windows. And throw in some threatening phone calls as well. That will certainly get the point across.

At least that's what a handful of dissenting Americans think. For a country whose citizens view themselves as highly civilized, acts like these certainly scream low class.

House Democrats reported acts of vandalism following the historic health care vote Tuesday. Brick-throwing morons who oppose the newly passed health care bill have targeted Democratic offices in Kansas and Arizona as well as Rep. Louise Slaughter's offices in Rochester and Niagara Falls.

Instead of getting angry, throwing bricks through windows and leaving menacing messages, get angry and do something productive. May we suggest voting?
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>are you asserting that ALL of those are not correct?

Yes. He is not a socialist, any more than Bush was a fascist. Indeed, people just use those terms because they are insulting and inflammatory. He was born in the US; that has been proven. He did not do many of the things that Hitler did unless you do the reductio ad absurdum thing and claim that "well, they were both leaders, and they both had hair, and they were both inspiring speakers."

But it sure makes a great sound bite.

It's encouraging to see that the higher the level of education, the less such things are believed. But it's also worrisome that so many people believe such crap; it bodes poorly for our future as a democracy. At best one might think that many of the responders are lying, and just wanted to make their hatred for Obama clear to the pollster.

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So bec you post an opinion piece that states when people cpmpare someone to Hitler they are doing A,B,or C that has to be totally right..... right

Opinion piece? I can post more reference that Hitler did exactly what the articel states if you are calling foul on that. You don't qquite say that but feeel compelled to add something, I guess. So, do you dispute my source and data or not?

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People are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on.

So just take it as judicial notice? Are you a judge now too, as well as a stock market expert? With our resident trailer assembler turned FAA DER Belgian we have quite a variety of experts here.

The idea here now is to not just rely on your divine words, but let's here your argument how Hitler was like Obama is. Show exampels as well as whatever terminology, ideology, etc. Rememebr, many of these ideologies change over time, for example, the Republicans used to be teh liberals, the Dems the conservatives, so don't get stuck in a timewarp trap.

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I'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views.

I'm all ears, apparently unless I just agree with you then I'm wrong. See, this is your golden shining moment; MAKE A FUCKING ARGUMENT. Also, it's so much more fun if you cite example sas well as any fancy titles.

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Read my comment.... that is what you are doing. You are making the statment that Obama is not doing things that Hitler did or that he does not believe in things Hitler did because Obama doesn't want to throw people in camps. I'd say that's a pretty big cut and paste.

It comprised about 30% of my post rather than 90%+ in your post. It almost teters on plagiarism to post a 1 sentence and 4 large paragraphs of cut-n-paste. Of course you aren't claiming the ideas as yoru own, so it's not actual plagiarism, it's just poor argument making.

Either reject my argument via some counter-arg of your own, create a different arg, or just keep avoiding.

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I can pick and choose as well...... seems like many of the beliefs of the Nazi's do line up with the left and Obama.

It's not picking and chosing, it's taking the basic template for which Hitler stood and seeing if it applies to current or past presidents.

Disecting various words might be nice for an abstarct argument, but when you take general principles it has no meaning.

Also, the circa relevance is key, 1930's Fascim is far different from current neo-fascsim in that totalitarianism is absent, at least in western countries - fiscal fascism is more the order.

I laugh and consider people to be stupid when they think, in a contemporary sense (not 1930's) that fascism and socialism can live in harmony; they oppose each other in most/all functions. No one in this thread has done that yet, I'm sure they won't. If you want to tie-in fascisma nd socialism, do so in a 1930's sense and it has relevance.

So you, like Rush, make no argument, just a cut-n-paste circus....still waiting for a substantive argument.

You are citing that a Nazi throws people in camps but there was much more politically to what the party stood for and socialism in many ways mirrors what the far left Dems want to do...... like you

Now this is the really tough part Stan, put down your Wall Street Journal and go pay your margin calls (I'm sorry the market hasn't tanked), ACTUALLY CREATE AN ARGUMENT THAT ALIGNS OBAMA TO HITLER.

Keep in mind that when peopel call GWB a Hitler, they mean that metaphorically, not litterally. GWB did all he could to pass anti-gay agendas, kill all socialist ideals, kill organized labor (Ovetime Law that rewrote the 1938 FLSA), etc. If ya wanna go a little further, we could cite Guantanamo as a concentration camp, but that is a bit removed, not totally though.

It is appropriate to call GWB a Nazi, Hitler, etc. Just as it is ok to call Obama a Communist, Carl Marx, etc. It is just errant and desperate to call Obama a Nazi as he opposes the type of fascist tyranny that is perpetuated by that ideology.

Also, you cannot get lost in the translation of then and now, meaning socialism then is different than now. Also, you cannot get lost in the translation of here and there, as a Canadian conservative is a like a US liberal.

I realize it's insulting to have your party refered to as Nazi, but the metaphore is as true as the metaphore of US libs being commies.

Now, tie in Obama to Hitler in some way, hopefully not obscure. Again, when people think Nazi Germany, Hitler, etc they think of a totalitarian, controlling, anhilist that was extremely conservative.

I did.... read my first post.

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So bec you post an opinion piece that states when people cpmpare someone to Hitler they are doing A,B,or C that has to be totally right..... right

Opinion piece? I can post more reference that Hitler did exactly what the articel states if you are calling foul on that. You don't qquite say that but feeel compelled to add something, I guess. So, do you dispute my source and data or not?

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There cannot be a D or even a .... *gasp*.... K

There can be whatever ya want, but at least do something rather than talk around the argument.

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People are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on.

So just take it as judicial notice? Are you a judge now too, as well as a stock market expert? With our resident trailer assembler turned FAA DER Belgian we have quite a variety of experts here.

The idea here now is to not just rely on your divine words, but let's here your argument how Hitler was like Obama is. Show exampels as well as whatever terminology, ideology, etc. Rememebr, many of these ideologies change over time, for example, the Republicans used to be teh liberals, the Dems the conservatives, so don't get stuck in a timewarp trap.

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I'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views.

I'm all ears, apparently unless I just agree with you then I'm wrong. See, this is your golden shining moment; MAKE A FUCKING ARGUMENT. Also, it's so much more fun if you cite example sas well as any fancy titles.

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Read my comment.... that is what you are doing. You are making the statment that Obama is not doing things that Hitler did or that he does not believe in things Hitler did because Obama doesn't want to throw people in camps. I'd say that's a pretty big cut and paste.

It comprised about 30% of my post rather than 90%+ in your post. It almost teters on plagiarism to post a 1 sentence and 4 large paragraphs of cut-n-paste. Of course you aren't claiming the ideas as yoru own, so it's not actual plagiarism, it's just poor argument making.

Either reject my argument via some counter-arg of your own, create a different arg, or just keep avoiding.

I'm done with this.... you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k...... reason escapes you... you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology. You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke.

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