SpeedRacer 1 #1 December 22, 2009 Is it just me, or does the whining from the Right during this administration sound like the whining from the Left during the previous administration? Different topics, of course, but same general tone. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 December 22, 2009 Meet the new boss...same as the old boss...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #3 December 22, 2009 Nader made similar arguments in 2000, which led to him pulling a bunch of votes from Gore in Florida, allowing Bush to "win" Florida. Now I'll grant that had Gore been in office, there's still a good chance that 9/11 would have happened and that the invasion of Afghanistan would have followed. However, I strongly doubt that we would have invaded Iraq. That's about a trillion dollars, several thousand American lives, and an unknown number of Iraqi lives different. Sometimes small differences can be significant in the long run. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #4 December 23, 2009 No, it's not just you. A lot of people have arrived at that very same conclusion. Too much whining and posturing in DC in the first place, while nothing substantive is accomplished. Too bad the Libertarians aren't a more viable alternative than either the Dems or the Repubs. One of these days.... Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #5 December 23, 2009 unfortunately when a libertarian candidate comes along, there are too many lunatic-fringe types who cling to his coat tails making the entire party look bad. Fringe types nearly all tend to feel at war with the government, so they sympathize with a group devoted to reducing government's power. Then the rest of us are stuck with them. I really don't know what the answer to this is. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #6 December 24, 2009 Quoteunfortunately when a libertarian candidate comes along, there are too many lunatic-fringe types who cling to his coat tails making the entire party look bad. Fringe types nearly all tend to feel at war with the government, so they sympathize with a group devoted to reducing government's power. Then the rest of us are stuck with them. I really don't know what the answer to this is. It's a product of our two party system. Both parties govern from the center because they know that most of the fringe voters in their party will vote for them regardless (because to protest them by not voting or by voting for a minor party candidate could lead to the opposition winning). Instant-runoff voting would help fix that, allowing better representation of all elements of society (even the whackos) which could lead to a legislative body that would actually build legislation through intelligent debate and compromise instead of the ridiculous system we have now where you can't get shit done if you don't have a super-majority in the Senate. Sadly, it'll never happen because there's no way either party is going to enact a system that would guarantee they'd have less power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 December 25, 2009 QuoteIs it just me, or does the whining from the Right during this administration sound like the whining from the Left during the previous administration? Different topics, of course, but same general tone. Yep, really dissapointed with Obama for giving on HC and furthering the ME wars. Not to mention applauding Bush's continued prescription drug heist. The only real difference I see between the D's and the R's is the D's are actually less bad for the economy than the R's; by a lot. It will be fun to read the replies where the R's here try to skew the numbers and convince us that the R's aren't primarily responsible for the economic mess, but that is the major real diff between the 2 parties. I still like Obama, but am dissappointed. So many things are systemic, meaning they occcur on either/both sides, but this fascist mess we call the USA is really run by 1 entity/ideology with minor variations from either side. Now come the even nuttier Libertarians who will try to convince us that cutting most taxes will fix everything, even tho history shows the exact opposite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #8 December 25, 2009 QuoteNader made similar arguments in 2000, which led to him pulling a bunch of votes from Gore in Florida, allowing Bush to "win" Florida. Now I'll grant that had Gore been in office, there's still a good chance that 9/11 would have happened and that the invasion of Afghanistan would have followed. However, I strongly doubt that we would have invaded Iraq. That's about a trillion dollars, several thousand American lives, and an unknown number of Iraqi lives different. Sometimes small differences can be significant in the long run. Agreed; there is a diff, sometimes we need to use a microscope. Let's face reality; the US is a fucked up country aside from its politics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #9 December 25, 2009 Quote No, it's not just you. A lot of people have arrived at that very same conclusion. Too much whining and posturing in DC in the first place, while nothing substantive is accomplished. Too bad the Libertarians aren't a more viable alternative than either the Dems or the Repubs. One of these days.... Nothing? The GDP tanking for 4 of 5 Q's, the recession started in mid-late 07 while dipshit did nothing but wait for it to fix itself and you say nothing substantive? See teh GDP since? The GWB stock market? The Obama market? Now the GWB freefall in unemp has been curbed and the stimulus and bank repayments will go to that. I know the typical Republican, "they're all the same" waterring down of their (Repubs) atrocities to the poor include saying bith economies are the same and always have been, but unless you disregard history they are entirely different. You can take other issues and make that argument, but the issues relating to economic data are so uniquely different with talking R's to D's is a joke to pretend otherwise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #10 December 25, 2009 QuoteI really don't know what the answer to this is. Gross Capitalism doesn't work. The answer is to become quasi-Cap, quasi-Soc and it will work as it does in countries that employ that system. Cutting the military is also a major start, spending close to 1 T per year between military spending and the wars is easily the culprit. Taxing the rich more is also a good start, whether we raise the top brkt or eliminate deductions, the rich are so filthy that the poor are worse than many countries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #11 December 26, 2009 You realize you're proving his point, right? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #12 December 26, 2009 QuoteYou realize you're proving his point, right? That's what seperates D's from R's: your side wants to win, my side wants teh truth. You just proved my eternal point. If you still don't get what I'm talking about, clicky on my sig and enjoy the vid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
