SuperKat 0 #1 December 10, 2009 http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/police-shoot-man-at-hotel-in-times-square A plainclothes police sergeant fatally shot a 25-year-old street peddler on Thursday morning outside the parking garage of the Marriott Marquis Hotel in Times Square after the officer confronted the man, who he believed had been a part of a scam to use CDs to intimidate tourists, the authorities said. The slain man, who the police said opened fire first, was armed with a loaded Mac-10 automatic machine pistol, the police said. A major police response followed the shooting, which occurred around 11:15 a.m. at 46th Street and Broadway, a tourist-packed intersection, during a weekday morning when the streets were filled with shoppers. Emergency medical workers took the peddler to St. Luke’s-Roosevelt Hospital Center, where he was first listed in serious condition. Paul J. Browne, the chief police spokesman, later said that the man had died. The man was not identified, but the authorities said he lived in the Bronx. A second man was held by the police and being questioned, the police said. According to a law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because an investigation had just begun, the sergeant was ordinarily assigned to a detail charged with enforcing regulations governing street vendors and peddlers, but had been detached to work with on a special crime-fighting unit. While on patrol, the authorities said, the sergeant noticed two men who he believed had been responsible for had intimidated tourists with a ruse: They would approach the tourists, ask them their names, write their names on the CDs and then demand payment of $10. The sergeant confronted the men on Broadway, south of 45th Street. One of the men ran north, then west on 45th Street and into the driveway of the Marriott, toward the parking garage. As the sergeant gave chase, the man turned and opened fire, shattering two glass windows of the hotel. The sergeant returned fire, mortally wounding the man. The police said they recovered the man’s machine pistol at the scene. Investigators found 27 live rounds of ammunition in the gun, and one shell casing on the ground. Shannon Maggio, 32, a visitor from New Orleans, was on the 16th floor of the nearby Edison Hotel in a room facing the Marriott, with both windows open, when she heard yelling, and then an eruption of gunfire. “I heard it clear as day,” she said. “I’d never heard a gunshot before, but I knew it was a gunshot. Pow-pow-pow-pow — just like that. Then I heard a guy yell. Then sirens.” She added: “I froze. My hair stood on end.” The first 911 call about the shooting came in at 11:19 a.m., and emergency workers arrived a minute later, the authorities said. Preliminary accounts indicated that the shooting occurred at the entrance to the garage, which is under the hotel. A street-level driveway runs under the hotel the length of the block between 45th and 46th Streets. The hotel was sealed off after the shooting, and the police shut the entirety of Broadway from 45th to 46th Street to both traffic and pedestrians, and much of 46th Street to the east and west, as well. “Right now, the police are on property,” Kathleen Duffy, a spokeswoman for the hotel, which has 1,900 rooms and is one of the city’s largest hotels, said in a phone interview from outside the hotel. “It’s our understanding it didn’t involve any of our guests or any of our associates.” The intersection of 46th and Broadway is in the heart of Times Square. The hotel — and a giant Bank of America illuminated sign — is at the southwestern corner; a large new American Eagle Outfitters store is to the northwest; Father Duffy Square (and the TKTS booth that sells discounted Broadway tickets) is to the northeast; and a traffic island is to the southeast. In the shooting’s aftermath, there did not appear to be significant alarm, at least as judged by tourists who, far from avoiding the area, seemed to push forward to get a view of what had happened. Emer Rooney, 33, a visitor from Ireland on the last day of a trip to New York, walked with a friend from a nearby hotel to take pictures of the scene. She said she had never felt unsafe in New York. “I actually feel it’s very safe,” she said. “Look at all the police officers.” She cited the shooting, in fact, as one of the more exciting moments of her trip, including recovering lost luggage at the Port Authority Bus Terminal and getting tickets to the musical “Wicked.” A tourist from Australia, Suzanne Davis, 42, stopped to take images with a video recorder. “It’s my first day in New York, so it makes very real what you see in the movies,” she said. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #2 December 10, 2009 Aren't Mac-10's illegal in New York City?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #3 December 10, 2009 Quote Aren't Mac-10's illegal in New York City? Bwahahahaha - dear, you are funny dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #4 December 10, 2009 I'm confused. Are you trying to antagonize me?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 December 10, 2009 QuoteAren't Mac-10's illegal in New York City?\ Only if your name isn't Schumer.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #6 December 10, 2009 QuoteThe police said they recovered the man’s machine pistol at the scene. Investigators found 27 live rounds of ammunition in the gun, and one shell casing on the ground. I just cant belive the guy only got off one round from a mac 10. Something is not right. Gun jam?????I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #7 December 10, 2009 The sergeant confronted the men on Broadway, south of 45th Street. One of the men ran north, then west on 45th Street and into the driveway of the Marriott, toward the parking garage. As the sergeant gave chase, the man turned and opened fire, shattering two glass windows of the hotel. The sergeant returned fire, mortally wounding the man. >>>>>>>>GOODThe police said they recovered the man’s machine pistol at the scene. Investigators found 27 live rounds of ammunition in the gun, and one shell casing on the ground. >>>>As to dead roundsShannon Maggio, 32, a visitor from New Orleans, was on the 16th floor of the nearby Edison Hotel in a room facing the Marriott, with both windows open, when she heard yelling, and then an eruption of gunfire. “I heard it clear as day,” she said. “I’d never heard a gunshot before, but I knew it was a gunshot. Pow-pow-pow-pow — just like that. Then I heard a guy yell. Then sirens.” She added: “I froze. My hair stood on end.” >>>>> From New Orleans and never heard gunshots before. She's lying.Emer Rooney, 33, a visitor from Ireland on the last day of a trip to New York, walked with a friend from a nearby hotel to take pictures of the scene. She said she had never felt unsafe in New York. “I actually feel it’s very safe,” she said. “Look at all the police officers.” She cited the shooting, in fact, as one of the more exciting moments of her trip, including recovering lost luggage at the Port Authority Bus Terminal and getting tickets to the musical “Wicked.” >>>>>>>>A tourist from Australia, Suzanne Davis, 42, stopped to take images with a video recorder. “It’s my first day in New York, so it makes very real what you see in the movies,” she said. >>>>>>>OBIT Just a hard working guy that needed a break in life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #8 December 10, 2009 Quote I'm confused. Are you trying to antagonize me? Me? You? Why should I? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #9 December 10, 2009 Quote Quote I'm confused. Are you trying to antagonize me? Me? You? Why should I? Because I like making points in the form of a question?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 December 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteThe police said they recovered the man’s machine pistol at the scene. Investigators found 27 live rounds of ammunition in the gun, and one shell casing on the ground. I just cant belive the guy only got off one round from a mac 10. Something is not right. Gun jam????? More likely that it wasn't an actual MAC-10, but a semi-auto clone....VERY much more likely.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #11 December 11, 2009 Quote Quote Quote I'm confused. Are you trying to antagonize me? Me? You? Why should I? Because I like making points in the form of a question? Who would do such a thing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #12 December 11, 2009 QuoteAren't Mac-10's illegal in New York City? Only on Thursdays between 05:00 and 23:00.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #13 December 11, 2009 QuoteI'm confused. Are you trying to antagonize me? Methinks the "bwaahahaha" has to do with the idea that there's no correlation between this gun being illegal and this gun being in the hands of criminals. Edit: An to extrapolate, of any gun being in the hands of a criminal in NYC."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #14 December 12, 2009 Update- http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jvfD1QMzNyAm2iykQtY5tuhyjrkgD9CHLNCG0 Excerpt QuoteNYPD tracks gun in deadly Times Square shooting By COLLEEN LONG (AP) – 2 hours ago NEW YORK — A machine pistol used by a street hustler and aspiring rapper shot dead in a Times Square gunfight was purchased from a Virginia gun shop by a woman who reported it stolen 10 days after she bought it, authorities said. Raymond Martinez, who wrote songs about staring down cops in Times Square and hawked CDs to tourists, was carrying a stolen Mac-10 pistol and a pocketful of business cards from Virginia gun dealers — including the one where the gun was purchased — when he was killed by a plainclothes officer near the Marriott Marquis hotel, police said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #15 December 12, 2009 QuoteUpdate- http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jvfD1QMzNyAm2iykQtY5tuhyjrkgD9CHLNCG0 Excerpt QuoteNYPD tracks gun in deadly Times Square shooting By COLLEEN LONG (AP) – 2 hours ago NEW YORK — A machine pistol used by a street hustler and aspiring rapper shot dead in a Times Square gunfight was purchased from a Virginia gun shop by a woman who reported it stolen 10 days after she bought it, authorities said. Raymond Martinez, who wrote songs about staring down cops in Times Square and hawked CDs to tourists, was carrying a stolen Mac-10 pistol and a pocketful of business cards from Virginia gun dealers — including the one where the gun was purchased — when he was killed by a plainclothes officer near the Marriott Marquis hotel, police said. Waddling and quacking, I'd say.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #16 December 12, 2009 QuoteMac-10 automatic machine pistol, the police said. It was a closed bolt semi auto mac10... No worse than any other semi auto pistol. In fact, it is a huge POS. People buy them cause they LOOK evil, but in truth they are crap. They are VERY picky on the ammo... This is why it probably jammed... Although even with good ammo they jam. And as others have said... Guns are illegal in NYC already."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,121 #17 December 14, 2009 That lady must have been one of them law abiding gun owners..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #18 December 14, 2009 QuoteThat lady must have been one of them law abiding gun owners..... Yes, to be able to buy a gun she did, in fact, have to be a law abiding person. I did notice that NYC gun bans didn't prevent a criminal from having and using a gun in NYC."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #19 December 14, 2009 Quote Quote That lady must have been one of them law abiding gun owners..... Yes, to be able to buy a gun she did, in fact, have to be a law abiding person. I did notice that NYC gun bans didn't prevent a criminal from having and using a gun in NYC. Top weapons suppliers in the world: Russia China Virginia North Korea Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #20 December 14, 2009 QuoteQuoteThat lady must have been one of them law abiding gun owners..... Yes, to be able to buy a gun she did, in fact, have to be a law abiding person. I thought she just had to pass a background check.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #21 December 14, 2009 http://www.myspace.com/squarefreebox His myspace profile is pretty funny Looks pretty religious too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #22 December 15, 2009 QuoteI thought she just had to pass a background check. Yep.... That confirms she is a law abiding citizen. I know you like to think certain people are guilty till you say otherwise, but the legal system says otherwise and the background check confirms that."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #23 December 15, 2009 QuoteQuoteI thought she just had to pass a background check. Yep.... That confirms she is a law abiding citizen. I know you like to think certain people are guilty till you say otherwise, but the legal system says otherwise and the background check confirms that. Umm, no. You confuse "law abiding" with "not having been convicted". Not the same thing AT ALL. I wasn't ticketed for speeding today. Doesn't mean I obeyed the speed limit.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #24 December 15, 2009 QuoteQuote Yep.... That confirms she is a law abiding citizen. I know you like to think certain people are guilty till you say otherwise, but the legal system says otherwise and the background check confirms that. Umm, no. You confuse "law abiding" with "not having been convicted". Not the same thing AT ALL. I wasn't ticketed for speeding today. Doesn't mean I obeyed the speed limit. A founding principle of our nation is that you're presumed innocent until proven guilty, by a jury of your peers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #25 December 15, 2009 QuoteUmm, no. You confuse "law abiding" with "not having been convicted". Not the same thing AT ALL. Please read this section again: I know you like to think certain people are guilty till you say otherwise, but the legal system says otherwise and the background check confirms that."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
