airdvr 197 #1 November 26, 2009 Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #2 November 26, 2009 Quote Then why do you stay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #3 November 27, 2009 Quote Then why do you stay? I depend on you to enlighten me....to show me the errors of my ways Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #4 November 27, 2009 I came for the tolerance, but I stay for the insightful discussions.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #5 November 27, 2009 Quote I came for the tolerance, but I stay for the insightful discussions.... That's funny right there! So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #6 November 27, 2009 This pretty much sums up what most of SC is about: Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #7 November 27, 2009 I came for the tolerance, but I stay for the insightful discussions.... *** I dont think that either of those are allowed here, better check the forum rules...Roy They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #8 November 27, 2009 Great for therapy and it's free.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #9 November 27, 2009 Quote Quote I came for the tolerance, but I stay for the insightful discussions.... That's funny right there! A real knee-slapper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #10 November 27, 2009 Quote Quote Then why do you stay? I depend on you to enlighten me....to show me the errors of my ways Here's one right here: Quote Interesting article. On the surface it would appear that people died because they had no coverage. In reality they died because they got sick or injured badly. My car doesn't have all of the safety devices of say, a Mercedes. If I die in a car accident one could say I died because I didn't have a Mercedes. Same logic. First, let me say . This is more futility in arguments. I think the AMA would laugh at this for days. Firstly, preventative medicine is neccessary and your plan doesn't provide for that. Secondly, you can't go have a pain checked out if you have no insurance, you have to wait until it becomes debilitating, which by then it may be too late. Say with a weakening appendix, cancer onset, etc. And by then, it may have aggravated so much they can't save a person. As for your safety analogy to the Mercedes. That would be logical if the compassionate party (not the R's for clarity) wanted everyone to have top-notch HC. But we don't, we want everyone to have Chevy Chevette coverage, so your analogy is busted. To think basic HC is a luxury or not neccessary is just bizzare on a world standard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #11 November 27, 2009 Are you in the right thread? I thought this thread was the one were we all agree on how the asshole per capita ratio in SC is approaching unity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #12 November 27, 2009 He posts so much he gets a little confused...Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #13 November 27, 2009 QuoteAre you in the right thread? I thought this thread was the one were we all agree on how the asshole per capita ratio in SC is approaching unity. Well, we're all here, so what is your conclusion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #14 November 27, 2009 Quote Are you in the right thread? I thought this thread was the one were we all agree on how the asshole per capita ratio in SC is approaching unity. That's only because the right wingers have more than one asshole apiece. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #15 November 28, 2009 QuoteFirstly, preventative medicine is neccessary and your plan doesn't provide for that. Could you finish the thought about necessity? What makes it necessary, or why is it necessary? Looking for you to finish the thought. Not disagreeing about necessity - just want to know exactly why you think it is necessary." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #16 November 29, 2009 Quote Quote Firstly, preventative medicine is neccessary and your plan doesn't provide for that. Could you finish the thought about necessity? What makes it necessary, or why is it necessary? Looking for you to finish the thought. Not disagreeing about necessity - just want to know exactly why you think it is necessary. I WROTE: First, let me say . This is more futility in arguments. I think the AMA would laugh at this for days. Firstly, preventative medicine is neccessary and your plan doesn't provide for that. ---> These guys seem to think so: http://www.acpm.org/finalproof_90.pdf http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/no-index/about-ama/13678.shtml ---> And this is great, even summarizes the number of deaths taht could be prevented annually... youdo want that, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preventive_medicine Hypertension 7.8 Smoking 5.0 High cholesterol 3.9 Malnutrition 3.8 Sexually transmitted infections 3.0 Poor diet 2.8 Overweight and obesity 2.5 Physical inactivity 2.0 Alcohol 1.9 Indoor air pollution from solid fuels 1.8 Unsafe water and poor sanitation 1.6 ---> This site really summarizes it http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-preventive-medicine.htm When preventive medicine is applied to a whole population, it includes things like: - extensive work in public health, - pest and insect control, - vaccinations, - food safety, and - improvements in hygiene for water supplies, homes, and individuals. Not to mention being able to have aches and pains checked out that sometimes turn out to be cancerous and could have ressulted in a life saved, rather than chemo and an early death, as the cancer was too far spread. Of course I don't most conservatives really care about stuff like this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,380 #17 November 29, 2009 How would better health care prevent deaths due to poor diet? The solution there would seem to be a better diet, not more visits to a doctor. Or indoor air pollution from solid fuels? Wouldn't reducing the pollution be the answer there, rather than going to a doctor who says "you're sick because of indoor pollution, that will be $200 please?" Or physical activity? How does going to a doctor increase your physical activity over, say, going to a gym? Unless the doctor was far away and you had to walk. Hey, you might have something there, actually. Pass a law abolishing handicapped spots, and require all parking lots to be located at least a mile from any medical facility. Then a visit to the doctor would also mean getting some exercise! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
