shropshire 0 #76 November 25, 2009 Quote Also think about what you said,,,, it rings true. The White people that moved to America took over once the population was majority, they "Changed" the culture of the Indians and changed the landscape to suit them. This same thing will happen in other areas once you have a majority of immigrants from other cultures, they too will demand change to suit them. Why should people change to suit Immigrants in their own country?? It's mostly how all countries developed. We're all populated by immigrants of one sort or another and across many, many years... This immigtation can be agrressive (conquest) or friendly but the net benifit is the addition and inclussion of the best (and yes sometimes worst) of different cultures. Art, science, language etc.. all change and grow from addition of new ideas. We're all mongrels and mostly the better for it. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #77 November 25, 2009 Quote Quote Swiss 'culture'? Have you ever met VB? [ducks for cover] He's a very good friend of mine!!! (Standing Tall with my fist clinched) i'll have drinks with whoever stands last! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #78 November 25, 2009 and you're buying. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #79 November 26, 2009 Quote Quote Therefore, as long as your minarets support the national value system they should not present a problem. However, if they represent marks on the score board toward world domination they should not be allowed. how can you tell!? By discernment of the spirit. I originally grew up in a town called Medinah. It wasn't called that because it was Islamic by any stretch of the imagination, but because about 100 years ago some Freemasons that had co-opted Arabic styles after seeing a silly show put on by a diplomat decided to build golf courses in the area and whimsically name the whole place after a holy site on the Arabian Peninsula. The accompanying temple in Chicago maintains its original architecture, but is now a Bloomingdales. Later in life I went to a university whose sports mascot was supposed to represent a Native American from the Illiniwek but wore an outfit from the wrong tribe (Lakota/Sioux) and performed a dance based loosely on... another wrong tribe (Kiowa.) ...so... ...what if the national value system is total bastardization of other national value systems? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #80 November 26, 2009 QuoteMaybe they could just ring a bell the way most Christian churches do. Maybe Christian churches could just have priests use their voices as a call to prayer. Bells creep me out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #81 November 29, 2009 The people have spoken. QuoteSwiss voters have supported a referendum proposal to ban the building of minarets, official results show. More than 57% of voters and 22 out of 26 cantons - or provinces - voted in favour of the ban. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpohl 1 #82 November 29, 2009 This is a proud day in Switzerland for all whom Islam discriminates against: Jews, homosexuals, women, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists and agnostics...in short, the majority of the world's inhabitants. It is a message that Islamic intolerance will not be tolerated. It is a vote for Western liberal democracy and against totalitarian theocracy. When they allow a Christian cathedral to be built in Riyadh or Tehran with a prominent steeple, when they allow Christian women in Saudi Arabia to drive cars, walk down the street with men they are not married/related to and drink openly in bars and restaurants then this issue should be revisited. As it now stands, I don't see the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #83 November 30, 2009 QuoteThis is a proud day in Switzerland for all whom Islam discriminates against: Jews, homosexuals, women, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists and agnostics...in short, the majority of the world's inhabitants. It is a message that Islamic intolerance will not be tolerated. It is a vote for Western liberal democracy and against totalitarian theocracy.. Congratulations! You have just engaged in a textbook example of Orwellian Newspeak. Kristallnacht, anyone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #84 November 30, 2009 oh yea, the people have spoken and you bring up what already godwin knew; if something doesnt fit your bill, compare or relate it to the nazis which will mute your point right there! the people have spoken, and i like that! in fact, it was a surprise to everyone, and obviously the right AND the left voters have supported it; in some cantons almost 70% gave their vote for the initiative!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #85 November 30, 2009 QuoteThis is a proud day in Switzerland for all whom Islam discriminates against: Jews, homosexuals, women, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists and agnostics...in short, the majority of the world's inhabitants. It is a message that Islamic intolerance will not be tolerated. It is a vote for Western liberal democracy and against totalitarian theocracy. When they allow a Christian cathedral to be built in Riyadh or Tehran with a prominent steeple, when they allow Christian women in Saudi Arabia to drive cars, walk down the street with men they are not married/related to and drink openly in bars and restaurants then this issue should be revisited. As it now stands, I don't see the problem. +1 Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrDree 0 #86 November 30, 2009 FUCK!! Those results disgust me! And I'm feeling sad for all the people who believed in the Swiss People's Party retarded bullshit. During the campaign, I didn't hear one single valid argument against the construction of minarets. All I heard was islamophobic crap, and most people fell for it! It's really a sad day for our country! I'm glad I also have an italian passport, so I won't be too embarassed when I travel abroad. "One day, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching." Dudeist Skydiver #101 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #87 November 30, 2009 QuoteThis is a proud day in Switzerland for all whom Islam discriminates against: Jews, homosexuals, women, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists and agnostics...in short, the majority of the world's inhabitants. It is a message that Islamic intolerance will not be tolerated. It is a vote for Western liberal democracy and against totalitarian theocracy. When they allow a Christian cathedral to be built in Riyadh or Tehran with a prominent steeple, when they allow Christian women in Saudi Arabia to drive cars, walk down the street with men they are not married/related to and drink openly in bars and restaurants then this issue should be revisited. As it now stands, I don't see the problem. Yes! Islamic theocracies discriminate, and this is bad. We don't want to be like an Islamic theocracy with it's discrimination. Therefore we shall discriminate, and this is good!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #88 November 30, 2009 Quote FUCK!! Those results disgust me! And I'm feeling sad for all the people who believed in the Swiss People's Party retarded bullshit. During the campaign, I didn't hear one single valid argument against the construction of minarets. All I heard was islamophobic crap, and most people fell for it! It's really a sad day for our country! I'm glad I also have an italian passport, so I won't be too embarassed when I travel abroad. sorry mate, if you dont like democracy and freedom of speech, there's always countries like china, the UAE or whatever that probably welcome you with open arms.. how many times have votes from the SVP been overturned, nobody ever said "i'm disgusted by the SP, and i'm happy i have a passport of this and that".. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #89 November 30, 2009 Quotesorry mate, if you dont like democracy and freedom of speech, there's always countries like china, the UAE or whatever that probably welcome you with open arms.. How do you tie the result of this vote in with freedom of speech? I would say to you that this is a prime example of how un-checked democracy leads to a loss of freedom of speech.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrDree 0 #90 November 30, 2009 Quote how many times have votes from the SVP been overturned, nobody ever said "i'm disgusted by the SP, and i'm happy i have a passport of this and that".. SP doesn't promote hate, intolerance, xenophobia and racism. NSDAP SVP does. point>"One day, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching." Dudeist Skydiver #101 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #91 November 30, 2009 Quote Quote how many times have votes from the SVP been overturned, nobody ever said "i'm disgusted by the SP, and i'm happy i have a passport of this and that".. SP doesn't promote hate, intolerance, xenophobia and racism. NSDAP SVP does. point> obviously you dont believe in the democratic state; shame on you for throwing a tantrum at a people's decision; shame on you for feeling shameful; shame on you for proposing politcs that politices away from the people!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #92 November 30, 2009 QuoteWhen they allow a Christian cathedral to be built in Riyadh or Tehran with a prominent steeple, when they allow Christian women in Saudi Arabia to drive cars, walk down the street with men they are not married/related to and drink openly in bars and restaurants then this issue should be revisited. As it now stands, I don't see the problem. Or perhaps Switzerland could try to be better than Iran and Saudi Arabia, and welcome people of all faiths. The "us" vs. "them" mentality that is being promoted by one political party there is contraindicative of a democracy. And by the way - my grandfather was a Baptist minister. He believed that Jews, homosexuals, women, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists and agnostics were all going to Hell. Islam does not hold a corner on religious discrimination.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #93 November 30, 2009 Well, well. After all these decades of sanctimoniously "sitting it out" while the rest of Europe behaved like animals, the Swiss have finally shown their true colors and joined the rest of the Continent on the Wall of Shame. Congratulations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #94 November 30, 2009 yup, you better STFU before we invade your country and suck out all your ressources! we got a special agreement with obama too, to first turn the US into a socialist state so we have it easier.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #95 November 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhen they allow a Christian cathedral to be built in Riyadh or Tehran with a prominent steeple, when they allow Christian women in Saudi Arabia to drive cars, walk down the street with men they are not married/related to and drink openly in bars and restaurants then this issue should be revisited. As it now stands, I don't see the problem. Or perhaps Switzerland could try to be better than Iran and Saudi Arabia, and welcome people of all faiths. The "us" vs. "them" mentality that is being promoted by one political party there is contraindicative of a democracy. And by the way - my grandfather was a Baptist minister. He believed that Jews, homosexuals, women, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists and agnostics were all going to Hell. Islam does not hold a corner on religious discrimination. Did they outlaw Islam or minarets? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #96 November 30, 2009 minarets; so far everyone is free to turn to the faith of their liking, build mosques or whatever - new minarets are now banned to be built!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #97 November 30, 2009 I lived close to a large mosque for a while and had to listen to the incessant yodeling coming from the PA in the minarets. It's like having to sit through the most tuneless of the auditions from the X-Factor 5 times a day, 365 days a year. It gets really frickin annoying after a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #98 November 30, 2009 QuoteI lived close to a large mosque for a while and had to listen to the incessant yodeling coming from the PA in the minarets. It's like having to sit through the most tuneless of the auditions from the X-Factor 5 times a day, 365 days a year. It gets really frickin annoying after a while. That was already banned. This was about the shape of the building.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #99 November 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteI lived close to a large mosque for a while and had to listen to the incessant yodeling coming from the PA in the minarets. It's like having to sit through the most tuneless of the auditions from the X-Factor 5 times a day, 365 days a year. It gets really frickin annoying after a while. That was already banned. This was about the shape of the building. you dont know much about the issue, yet you feel strong opinions about it; why!?“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #100 November 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI lived close to a large mosque for a while and had to listen to the incessant yodeling coming from the PA in the minarets. It's like having to sit through the most tuneless of the auditions from the X-Factor 5 times a day, 365 days a year. It gets really frickin annoying after a while. That was already banned. This was about the shape of the building. you dont know much about the issue, yet you feel strong opinions about it; why!? Because he's an ethical human being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
