Conservative vs. Liberal - interesting perspective

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Whatever. You win. Congratulations.
Now will you stop hijacking this thread?

Sure, as long as you quit running

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If people post trite garbage that can already be found on over 9,000 right wing web sites, they are morons wasting bandwidth.

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Gosh, not biased at all.

If a liberal doesn't like pets, he doesn't buy one.
If a conservative doesn't like pets, he eats live kittens in front of small children.

And through this post you demonstrate some of the definitions to be true!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Nope full of phallacies and what you as a conservative would like to believe to make yourself as a group to feel better about support for many untennable positions over the last 3 decades.

3 decades!!!! go burn some powder or chop some firewood or something and get rid of all this aggression
or better yet, have a great weekend which hopefully involves some speed diving

What was the national debt before the Reagan Revultion in 1980???
Ever since Voodoo Economics has ruled the day. So much for all that rePUBICan fiscal conservatism.

How many War's have we engaged in overtly or covertly around the world since that magical date??? Hows that death toll sitting?( please include all the ruined lives of our own people who supposedly survived tto return home supposedly "alive".)

How many other planetary bodies have humans walked on since the Reagan Administration?


How many of our personal freedoms have eroded with the coming of the "Patriot Act" etc and the Bush whacked Doctrine that would have founding fathers thourouly disgusted.

And so it goes. America has changed since then PROFOUNDLY.

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I beg to differ- this is NOT an interesting perspective at all.

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What was the national debt before the Reagan Revultion in 1980???

Less than today. More than before his admin. Which appears to be the standard.

By the way - Reagan didn't borrow a cent. Congress did.

[Reply]Ever since Voodoo Economics has ruled the day. So much for all that rePUBICan fiscal conservatism.

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Less than today. More than before his admin. Which appears to be the standard.

By the way - Reagan didn't borrow a cent. Congress did.

Yea, and how does the fed budget get figured? Where does it start?.....oh yea, the president submits a proposition to the House, the House drafts something similar or a veto fight will ensue.

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Indeed. Republican fiscal conservatism can only be blamed from 95-06. Other than that, the Dems have controlled the purse strings.

Come again? Jan 07 to Jan 09 the senate was a push at 49-49-2, with Lieberman being one of the 2. The VP breask many ties with the senate if tehre any. The Dems have not owned the congress since Jan 07.

As for the Reagan Years, the senate was R controlled from Jan 81 to Jan 87, so once again you are wrong.

The best recent recovery years of the congress was from Jan 89 - Jan 95 where 2 tax increases were were cast from the all Dem-controlled congress and signed by GHWB and Clinton, this brought the top brkt from 28% to almost 40% and the recovery was set and realized under Clinton.

Speaking of Clinton and his Republican congress, he threatened to shut down the mess if they didn't act right and even vetoed a min wage increase as it was packed with tax cuts for the rich, so Clinton enjoyed enormous years in spite of the R congress. Of course you aren't a Repub, you just make a living defending them.

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A few. Funny - we're still fighting them with a Democeatic Congress for a couple of years and a democratic POTUS.

Read about the War Powers Act. Another piece of Republican evil?

WRONG, we didn't have a Dem Congress in Jan 07, we had a Dem House and a tied senate with the VP breaking ties if needed. As I've said before, after HC we'll see a mass exodus from the ME.

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I personally point to this country changing fundamentally in 1965 when the Great Society was supposed to havw started. Yeah - right about the same time as the Democratic Congress and President decided to step up involvement in Vietnam.

What did Nixon do? Most of the killings were ramped up then. But the Dems were teh warmongers up to the 70's, that's for sure. Now the R's have assumed that idiotic role. Look at Eisenhower, got us out of Korea and warned us of the Military Industrial Complex which we have all ignored and that is teh crux of our mess.

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must be too much to expect but when do the elected officials start making decisions based on the long term good rather than themselves and their next election

it is silly to think that issues are so clear cut that virtually everyone in the party votes the same way

this goes for both sides of the floor

Give one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws.

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Less than today. More than before his admin. Which appears to be the standard.

By the way - Reagan didn't borrow a cent. Congress did.

Yea, and how does the fed budget get figured? Where does it start?.....oh yea, the president submits a proposition to the House, the House drafts something similar or a veto fight will ensue.

Much like a teenager proposes to use the keys to the Porsche and the liquor cabinet to the parents. What are the parents gonna do? Say "no?". He will just find someone else so we may as well just concede.

Gutless. Which sounds like Congress either Dem or GOP.


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Indeed. Republican fiscal conservatism can only be blamed from 95-06. Other than that, the Dems have controlled the purse strings.

Come again? Jan 07 to Jan 09 the senate was a push at 49-49-2, with Lieberman being one of the 2. The VP breask many ties with the senate if tehre any. The Dems have not owned the congress since Jan 07.

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True definitions or not?

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a
liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

This one is definitely false. If a conservative is homosexual, he screams about family values, and sponsors anti-gay bills - all until he's caught in an airport stall.

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If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches
channels. Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

Smart people do not watch talk shows.

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If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A
liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

But if a conservative IS a believer - and most are - he wants his God to be mentioned everywhere, from money to state buildings to public schools.

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OH FFS!

Conservative? Liberal? Please.

Extremists are the real problem. Extremists in any area are the real problem.

This is why Speaker's Corner makes me so nuts. It's mostly one giant CIRCLE JERK of blowhards from both sides. Who is LISTENING?! Anyone?

Then again, I can't stop looking.

Also, I respect the fact that a few here really do look beyond the surface, in life, for meaning or understanding. Assholes are assholes - but a damned fine few of you are smart, curious and open. I admire that.

So fuck off with the conservative/liberal labels.

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

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So fuck off with the conservative/liberal labels.

These labels are a sum total of a person's political positioning. One could submit a resume of all the left, centrist and right ideals, but liberal, moderate and conservative is a quick reference to understand where someone's politics reside. How else would you do it?

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If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches
channels. Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

Smart people do not watch talk shows.

Really? Not all talk shows are Jerry Springer. Have you heard of Meet the Press?

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>If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn`t buy one. If a
>liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

I'm a liberal; I don't want guns outlawed.

>If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat. If a
>liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for
>everyone.

I eat very little meat - but if you want a bacon sandwich with extra bacon, go for it.

>If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat
>his enemy. A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look
>good.

I'd make sure our country was well defended - and then just live my life without surrendering or invading Venezuela.

>If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a
>liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

The gays that I know - both conservative and liberal - want respect, the same as anyone else.

>If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as
>independently successful. Their liberal counterparts see themselves as
>victims in need of government protection.

I know several liberals who are minorities. None of them fit your stereotype.

>If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches
>channels. Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

I don't even know what talk shows are on TV.

>If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A
>liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
>(Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

I think you should pray to whoever you like.

>If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about
>shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal
>demands that the rest of us pay for his.

Got my own plan, thank you very much.

>If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs
>and is embarrassed. If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck,
>moans like he's in labor and then sues.

I've had my share of skydiving and skiing accidents. Never sued anyone.

>If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can
>have a good laugh. A liberal will delete it because he's "offended".

Liberals may discuss it; conservatives will forward it with no additional thoughts attached, other than an LOL.

So far the list is 0 for 11, at least for me. Next list?

[freeflybella 0]

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These labels are a sum total of a person's political positioning.

They rarely are.

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

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Really? Not all talk shows are Jerry Springer. Have you heard of Meet the Press?

I have no idea who is Jerry Springer (nor I want to). Never heard of Meet the Press as well - and I do not want to hear about it either.

I'm capable to read the facts from different sources, and make my own opinion. I do not need talk shows for that.

* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. *

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These labels are a sum total of a person's political positioning.

They rarely are.

They really are.

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>If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn`t buy one. If a
>liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

I'm a liberal; I don't want guns outlawed.

>If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat. If a
>liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for
>everyone.

I eat very little meat - but if you want a bacon sandwich with extra bacon, go for it.

>If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat
>his enemy. A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look
>good.

I'd make sure our country was well defended - and then just live my life without surrendering or invading Venezuela.

>If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a
>liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

The gays that I know - both conservative and liberal - want respect, the same as anyone else.

>If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as
>independently successful. Their liberal counterparts see themselves as
>victims in need of government protection.

I know several liberals who are minorities. None of them fit your stereotype.

>If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches
>channels. Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

I don't even know what talk shows are on TV.

>If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A
>liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
>(Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

I think you should pray to whoever you like.

>If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about
>shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal
>demands that the rest of us pay for his.

Got my own plan, thank you very much.

>If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs
>and is embarrassed. If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck,
>moans like he's in labor and then sues.

I've had my share of skydiving and skiing accidents. Never sued anyone.

>If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can
>have a good laugh. A liberal will delete it because he's "offended".

Liberals may discuss it; conservatives will forward it with no additional thoughts attached, other than an LOL.

So far the list is 0 for 11, at least for me. Next list?

Exactly why you could never get into a leadership role in the Democratic party at a national level.

And in case you don't understand my point, just know it is meant as a compliment

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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True definitions or not?

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn`t buy one. If a
liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat. If a
liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a
liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful. Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches
channels. Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A
liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about
shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs
and is embarrassed. If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in labor and then sues.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can
have a good laugh. A liberal will delete it because he's "offended".

I can think of a bajillion things to shoot right back at conservatives in the same fashion. For example off the top of my head:

If a liberal doesn't agree with marrying somebody of the same sex then they will just quietly marry a person of the opposite sex and mind their own business. A conservative doesn't agree with same sex marriage, he preaches at the top of his lungs and outlaws it.

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

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Really? Not all talk shows are Jerry Springer. Have you heard of Meet the Press?

I have no idea who is Jerry Springer (nor I want to). Never heard of Meet the Press as well - and I do not want to hear about it either.

I'm capable to read the facts from different sources, and make my own opinion. I do not need talk shows for that.

You made the comment "smart people do not watch talk shows". How can you make that judgment when you haven't seen them, any of them? Meet the press, face the nation? I doubt that their audience is comprised of dumb people.

P.S. You have never heard of Jerry Springer or Meet the Press? I call B.S. I have never watched the Springer show but I am aware of him.

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You made the comment "smart people do not watch talk shows". How can you make that judgment when you haven't seen them, any of them?

I can make a comment "smart people do not eat shit", even though I have never eaten shit.

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Meet the press, face the nation? I doubt that their audience is comprised of dumb people.

And I wonder how the world survived the last 20 centuries without talk shows?

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P.S. You have never heard of Jerry Springer or Meet the Press? I call B.S. I have never watched the Springer show but I am aware of him.

It might help if I say that I do not watch TV at all. This means exactly that - no news, no sports, no talk shows, no other crap. In fact I do not have a TV at home, and indent to never have it.

But you can of course say that I just heard about them right here recently, so I'm aware of his existence now. Not that it changed anything though.

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A conservative doesn't agree with same sex marriage, he preaches at the top of his lungs and outlaws it...

...while being secretly gay and sucking dicks in airport toilet stalls.

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If a liberal doesn't agree with marrying somebody of the same sex then they will just quietly marry a person of the opposite sex and mind their own business.

California and Prop 8, anyone?

Mike
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If people post trite garbage that can already be found on over 9,000 right wing web sites, they are morons wasting bandwidth.

Funny you only say that about one side.... Partisan much?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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What was the national debt before the Reagan Revultion in 1980???

I hope you have noticed that under Obama it is growing at a rate faster than ever before.

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How many of our personal freedoms have eroded with the coming of the "Patriot Act" etc and the Bush whacked Doctrine that would have founding fathers thourouly disgusted.

Have you noticed that Obama is supporting things like wire taps?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334