TomAiello 25 #1 September 30, 2009 47% of Households Owe No Tax When Work Doesn't Pay for the Middle Class This is totally unsustainable. Our tax burden is badly skewed, even by comparison with the far more socialist economies in Europe. With such a narrow tax base (far narrower than anywhere else in the first world), we have created a huge non-taxpaying voting class that just keeps demanding more and more tax dollars be spent on them, and an ever diminishing number of taxpayers to support them. Our politicians solution is to shift more people into the non-taxpaying group to appease them and buy their votes, which requires taxing the actual taxpayers even more heavily. It doesn't take a genius to see where we're headed. Yet no one in DC has the courage to stand up and make hard choices. How long before the whole system implodes?-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #2 September 30, 2009 And Tom sees the agenda! The Kool Aid drinkers from all sides of the aisle are not seeing it. This is probably the most dangerous time in our nation's history. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #3 September 30, 2009 Look at the chart in the first article. The biggest group of non-taxpayers is the under 50k group, right? Simple solution: give the poor lots more welfare, to get them into the higher income bracket. Then they'll pay more taxes. You really should consult me more often. Pay the receptionist on your way out, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #4 September 30, 2009 QuoteLook at the chart in the first article. The biggest group of non-taxpayers is the under 50k group, right? Which is an income group that includes most active duty military personnel, who have a huge incentive to vote for candidates promising higher military spending, which is the largest portion of the federal budget. War may be hell, but it sure buys a lot of votes. You'd have to increase pay rates in the military, as well as boosting welfare. Then you could tax the welfare benefits and military pay, and use that money to boost them some more, which would give you more taxes, which you could spend on increasing them further. I'm pretty sure this is what President Obama thinks the term "multiplier effect" means.-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alge 0 #5 September 30, 2009 You can't really compare tax rates to those in Europe without factoring in what you get in return. For example a low-income household in the US will have to pay a substantial part of their income in health insurance, while that may not be a concern where I live. That said, I agree: More of you guys should be paying income tax. Everyone who can should contribute. (Those who can contribute more should also contribute more.) IMHO. (= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #6 September 30, 2009 QuoteYou can't really compare tax rates to those in Europe without factoring in what you get in return. Right. And we get an immense imperial military that is adequate to invade and occupy nations all over the globe. Personally, I'd prefer not to foot the bill for that. BTW, health "insurance" and healthcare are two very different things.-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alge 0 #7 September 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou can't really compare tax rates to those in Europe without factoring in what you get in return. Right. And we get an immense imperial military that is adequate to invade and occupy nations all over the globe. Personally, I'd prefer not to foot the bill for that. Heheh. Personally I would cut down the military spending (a lot), but if most USians want a monster military, then most USians should pay for it as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #8 September 30, 2009 Yes, well, since we are in the process of invading oil producing nations, you should know that Norway is next on the target list. -- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #9 September 30, 2009 QuoteDo you know the difference between an actuary and a successful professional poker player? They spread the cost of these programs. The cost, however, grows and grows. HEre in California they are concluding that the tax base (that is, the group that get hit) are tapped out. The public voted against new spending and taxes, etc. So the state is now cutting its budget. Perhaps the dawn of a new generation. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #10 October 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteDo you know the difference between an actuary and a successful professional poker player? They spread the cost of these programs. The cost, however, grows and grows. HEre in California they are concluding that the tax base (that is, the group that get hit) are tapped out. The public voted against new spending and taxes, etc. So the state is now cutting its budget. Perhaps the dawn of a new generation. Quotethe budget cutting is great and is the way to go, but what are they cutting? ever notice they cut the most crucial programs like police and garbage pickup first? shouldn't they cut money to illegals, pork projects, and other low intrest or unneeded projects first? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 0 #11 October 2, 2009 Quote You can't really compare tax rates to those in Europe without factoring in what you get in return. For example a low-income household in the US will have to pay a substantial part of their income in health insurance, while that may not be a concern where I live. That said, I agree: More of you guys should be paying income tax. Everyone who can should contribute. (Those who can contribute more should also contribute more.) IMHO. (= I just threw up reading this.... Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,384 #12 October 2, 2009 >shouldn't they cut money to illegals, pork projects, and other low >intrest or unneeded projects first? Because to other people, your "low interest" projects are the important ones. They may think (and with logic that is just as sound) that few entities other than the government can fund space exploration - but you can carry your own trash. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,621 #13 October 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteDo you know the difference between an actuary and a successful professional poker player? They spread the cost of these programs. The cost, however, grows and grows. HEre in California they are concluding that the tax base (that is, the group that get hit) are tapped out. The public voted against new spending and taxes, etc. So the state is now cutting its budget. Perhaps the dawn of a new generation. Quotethe budget cutting is great and is the way to go, but what are they cutting? ever notice they cut the most crucial programs like police and garbage pickup first? shouldn't they cut money to illegals, pork projects, and other low intrest or unneeded projects first? How much is being wasted on illegals, then, and how much would it cost to increase enforcement? Quite possibly it would be a money losing proposition. Define "pork" in a way that everyone agrees with (so it's not just YOUR opinion of what is wasteful).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #14 October 2, 2009 QuoteDefine "pork" in a way that everyone agrees with. Meat from a pig?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeathByCactus 0 #15 October 2, 2009 Quote Quote You can't really compare tax rates to those in Europe without factoring in what you get in return. For example a low-income household in the US will have to pay a substantial part of their income in health insurance, while that may not be a concern where I live. That said, I agree: More of you guys should be paying income tax. Everyone who can should contribute. (Those who can contribute more should also contribute more.) IMHO. (= I just threw up reading this.... Are you going to eat it now?Aspiring flying squirrel / Jump student Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #16 October 2, 2009 Quote Personally, I'd prefer not to foot the bill for that. Agreed. Let the rest of the world foot the bill for their own defense.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #17 October 3, 2009 Quotethe budget cutting is great and is the way to go, but what are they cutting? ever notice they cut the most crucial programs like police and garbage pickup first? shouldn't they cut money to illegals, pork projects, and other low intrest or unneeded projects first? Yeah. The first step to politicking is to cut the programs that affect everyone. I don't have a problem with that, but the way they do it is they say, "so you want me to cut the budget? Let's cut police and fire. Then the voters will complain about budget cuts and this will be but a bump in the road." Part of what is killing - KILLING Cali is the education budget. Thanks to refernsum and slick marketing, so much must be spent on schools each year that it drowns out everything else. And take a look at California's education standing. We are at the top in pay and bottom in performance. Then look at prison guards. On top of that, the pensions are freaking wild. There are 5 or 10 thousand people who have retired in the past 5 years getting over $100k per year as a pension. The bloat is bloody crazy. So it's easy to cut law enforcement, fire, etc. The local governments. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #18 October 3, 2009 Quotemust be spent on schools each year that it drowns out everything else. And take a look at California's education standing. We are at the top in pay and bottom in performance. Some of that has to do with cost of living. 40k is lots for a teacher living in Burley, Idaho, but you can't even find a place to live for that in Cupertino, California.-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
