mpohl 1 #26 September 23, 2009 It's your choice to believe whatever you want to believe! But believeing is not knowing! Have you ever had sex with an African woman w/ obstetrical lacerations, fecal and urinary incontinence, and that has been kicked out of their tribe? How do you know all this? FOX NEWS? Limbaugh? Glenn Beck? QuoteQuoteIf I want to experience Africa LIVE, I just have to travel 10 mi. to South Fulton (Atlanta). Let me amend that statement: ppl in Africa are much more communal and supportive of each other! Right. That's why women with obstetrical lacerations and subsequent fecal and urinary incontinence are kicked out of their tribes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpohl 1 #27 September 23, 2009 I am European, and I am also American (two passports). I have not "just been to" Europe. No need to lecture me! QuoteQuote Yes, I am living in the US, but realistically it closer resembles some of the third-world countries I have been to. Did you know that the wealthiest region on earth now is Europe. YES, the Socialist countries of Europe that provide adequate health care for all. I lived there in several countries in Europe (comparing to just "been to"), and I can tell you this is definitely not the case. Again, you're following the same mistake as most healthcare critiques do - they compare costs of flu treatment in Europe vs cost of cancer treatment in USA. And they're definitely not the wealthiest - I spent almost three months in Romania during last 12 months, and it's definitely not even close to wealthy region - even though they do have "free" healthcare. Quote If I want to experience Africa LIVE, I just have to travel 10 mi. to South Fulton (Atlanta). That's what I'm talking about - you could just go there for thrill if you want to, and leave any time you wish. This is NOT how people live there, they do not have U.S. income, and they cannot move back to U.S. as soon as they wish. That's why to wipe the slate clean you'd actually have to move there on permanent basis. Which, of course, you do not want to - it's only OK to force _others_ to start from basics, but not you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpohl 1 #28 September 23, 2009 So, are you a registered organ donor? You should truely consider it. Minus the brain, of course. And the balls. The other remnants might be useable, after all. QuoteQuote I am a registered Organ Donor and have been ever since I turned 18. Well, it will only work when you die, and the value of your organs at this moment might be much less useful comparing to what they worth to society now. Obviously if you commit yourself to be split apart right now, it will make greater good for society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #29 September 23, 2009 Quote It's your choice to believe whatever you want to believe! But believeing is not knowing! Have you ever had sex with an African woman w/ obstetrical lacerations, fecal and urinary incontinence, and that has been kicked out of their tribe? How do you know all this? FOX NEWS? Limbaugh? Glenn Beck? Have I ever had sex with?! What does that have to do with ANYTHING? How do I know? I am looking to volunteer time at one of those clinics. I have currently only gone on medical mission in South America, but plan for the next one to be with the incontinence clinics in South Africa. (still confused by the "have I ever had sex with?!") Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpohl 1 #30 September 23, 2009 How about volunteering in the USA? It's not like we have everybody medically covered, even at the most basic level. People die here in the tens of thousands per year for lack of medical care. Btw, you haven't answered my question. Have you? Or haven't you? QuoteQuote It's your choice to believe whatever you want to believe! But believeing is not knowing! Have you ever had sex with an African woman w/ obstetrical lacerations, fecal and urinary incontinence, and that has been kicked out of their tribe? How do you know all this? FOX NEWS? Limbaugh? Glenn Beck? Have I ever had sex with?! What does that have to do with ANYTHING? How do I know? I am looking to volunteer time at one of those clinics. I have currently only gone on medical mission in South America, but plan for the next one to be with the incontinence clinics in South Africa. (still confused by the "have I ever had sex with?!") Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #31 September 23, 2009 Quote How about volunteering in the USA? It's not like we have everybody medically covered, even at the most basic level. People die here in the tens of thousands per year for lack of medical care. Btw, you haven't answered my question. Have you? Or haven't you? QuoteQuote It's your choice to believe whatever you want to believe! But believeing is not knowing! Have you ever had sex with an African woman w/ obstetrical lacerations, fecal and urinary incontinence, and that has been kicked out of their tribe? How do you know all this? FOX NEWS? Limbaugh? Glenn Beck? Have I ever had sex with?! What does that have to do with ANYTHING? How do I know? I am looking to volunteer time at one of those clinics. I have currently only gone on medical mission in South America, but plan for the next one to be with the incontinence clinics in South Africa. (still confused by the "have I ever had sex with?!") Dude, back off. That's creepy.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #32 September 23, 2009 *** I am European, and I am also American (two passports). I have not "just been to" Europe. No need to lecture me! Quote Does this mean you just can't cross the line and be totally American? You sound like so many who come. They hate the place, but they will put up with it for the security and wealth.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #33 September 23, 2009 QuoteAnd that's exactly why we need an estate/inheritance tax of 90%+ to wipe the slate clean! Otherwise, we are supporting "generational" wealth which is counterproductive to fostering individual accomplishments. Other than the "accomplishment" being to having been borne to wealthy parents. QuoteQuote>And in Bill Gate's case, let's make no mistake about it; the guy was >amazingly lucky to be in the exact right spot in the exact right time. Of course. Any success story involves the confluence of luck, skill, timing and talent. If you watched Pirates of the Silicon Valley they depicted Gates and Allen basically stealing the Op Sys from that guy and breaking IBM's balls to use the software while keeping the ownership of it. Remember, Gates' family was rich before he endeavored that deal, so he was already made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates Not sure of that's sarcasm, but we do need a fairly large inheritance tax. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #34 September 23, 2009 Quote But most wealth is held by people who have worked their whole lives to get out of it. I disagree, but I don't have any supporting data with that, I would love to see some. Quote Most major wealth is brought about by risk. These are people that laid it on the line and eventually had it paid off. Maybe. Or stole it. Inherited, etc. Quote I've found that a great deal of wealth is heald by a number of our immigrant workers. I've represented plenty of them and they live on limited means and save what they have. So you're saying they USED to be wealthy until Uncle Lawrocket helped them off of it? (JK) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #35 September 23, 2009 Quotebulllshit. the foundation of this country isn't the greater good of society, the foundation of this country is individual liberties of the concept of the rights of the individual outweighing the good of the whole. What you've done is denounced Utilitarianism, saying the good of teh individual outweighs that of the whole. Utilitarianism is found in Communism, wher ethe good of the whole is paramount. And of course you also support capital punnishment, which is Utilitarian, as there are errors and the good of those individuals don't outweigh the good of the whole. So that is where people are selectively Utilitarian. Quoteonce i am dead, society has no claims to what i have left behind. i make that decision. you may think my wishes are petty, but they are my wishes. To be decided by a judge working for the government. You lose a lot of rights after you die. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #36 September 23, 2009 QuoteQuote I disagree. You are free to do w/ you hard-earned money as you see fit while you live. Afterwards, the greater good of society overrules your petty wishes. You know, splitting you apart for organs and tissue could save up to ten lives. Isn't it also greater good for society - exchanging one life to ten, and how'd you feel about it? You won't get many Americans to understand the comradery that Socialism / Communism brings. Our society is based upon, Hi, nice to meet you (smile), let me stab you in the back as soon as you turn around (with a smile). Capitalism is the best monetary / market system around if kept in line, which it usually isn't, but it's the worst social system and is highly asocial to antisocial. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #37 September 23, 2009 Quoteor may be a testicle? Don't they come in pairs? It would be cool to have 4, I wonder if they can do that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #38 September 23, 2009 Quote Have you ever had sex with an African woman w/ obstetrical lacerations, fecal and urinary incontinence, and that has been kicked out of their tribe? Have you? On second thought, please don't answer the question "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,379 #39 September 23, 2009 > That's why women with obstetrical lacerations and subsequent fecal > and urinary incontinence are kicked out of their tribes. And why women here are regularly beaten bloody by their husbands. I've been to Africa, and once you get away from the cities the people there are among the nicest, most easygoing people I've ever met. Most americans are never as happy as some of the people I've met there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #40 September 23, 2009 Quote > That's why women with obstetrical lacerations and subsequent fecal > and urinary incontinence are kicked out of their tribes. And why women here are regularly beaten bloody by their husbands. I've been to Africa, and once you get away from the cities the people there are among the nicest, most easygoing people I've ever met. Most americans are never as happy as some of the people I've met there. African women have testcles and run fast; I saw it on TV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #41 September 23, 2009 Quote You won't get many Americans to understand the comradery that Socialism / Communism brings. Our society is based upon, Hi, nice to meet you (smile), let me stab you in the back as soon as you turn around (with a smile). Communism is only different in terms that you won't even get smiles; everything else would be the same.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #42 September 23, 2009 Quote It's your choice to believe whatever you want to believe! But believeing is not knowing! Have you ever had sex with an African woman w/ obstetrical lacerations, fecal and urinary incontinence, and that has been kicked out of their tribe? How do you know all this? FOX NEWS? Limbaugh? Glenn Beck? QuoteQuoteIf I want to experience Africa LIVE, I just have to travel 10 mi. to South Fulton (Atlanta). Let me amend that statement: ppl in Africa are much more communal and supportive of each other! Right. That's why women with obstetrical lacerations and subsequent fecal and urinary incontinence are kicked out of their tribes. Pssssssssstttt, she knows what she is talking about and you do not, are you a doctor? Have you spent your own free time and expenses to fly to another country and treat people for free? The same people who would get no medical treatment if it were not for volunteers... Quite using hyperbole to argue against fact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #43 September 23, 2009 Quote And why women here are regularly beaten bloody by their husbands. This happens everywhere, I wouldn't limit it to any specific country. For example, it happens on much larger scale in Russia, mostly because the police doesn't give shit about what they call "family disagreements" (however, in their favor, I have to admit they have a very good reason for that). Quote I've been to Africa, and once you get away from the cities the people there are among the nicest, most easygoing people I've ever met. Most americans are never as happy as some of the people I've met there. I tend to believe it's the same everywhere when people are too busy to satisfy their basic survival needs. The main reason is that their collective survival really depends on each others, and because they just do not have time to watch Fox news or other stupid shit, no mention discussing and disagreeing about it.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #44 September 23, 2009 QuoteQuote You won't get many Americans to understand the comradery that Socialism / Communism brings. Our society is based upon, Hi, nice to meet you (smile), let me stab you in the back as soon as you turn around (with a smile). Communism is only different in terms that you won't even get smiles; everything else would be the same. I thought you were saying you guys are often organ donors, etc? Fundamentally, I think Socialism and Communism are far more user friendly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #45 September 23, 2009 Quote I thought you were saying you guys are often organ donors, etc? In Communism everyone is - it's not like anyone gonna ask your permission. Remember, the government there decides everything for you. Quote Fundamentally, I think Socialism and Communism are far more user friendly. It's more user friendly for the average Joe - because it gives them everything taken from anyone who is above average.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #46 September 23, 2009 QuoteQuote I thought you were saying you guys are often organ donors, etc? In Communism everyone is - it's not like anyone gonna ask your permission. Remember, the government there decides everything for you. Quote Fundamentally, I think Socialism and Communism are far more user friendly. It's more user friendly for the average Joe - because it gives them everything taken from anyone who is above average. I'm not advocating Communism, altho I am under the impression and do believe that the comradery is much higher there. I think Socialism is the best, most universally "fair" system in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #47 September 23, 2009 Quote I'm not advocating Communism, altho I am under the impression and do believe that the comradery is much higher there. I lived under Communism, and my personal experience is that it is not at all. It only looks like everyone is equally miserable there - but still, someone has a (crappy) car, and someone does not; someone is a janitor and someone is an office manager. And so on. Quote I think Socialism is the best, most universally "fair" system in the world. It depends how you define "fair". If you're contributing to the pot more than you take out, it's definitely not fair to you. But if you live off others, it's definitely considered very "fair" to you.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #48 September 23, 2009 QuoteDoes it make me a little jealous to see rich kids inherit daddy's (or mommy's) company? Yes. I rose up from lower middle class... and a part of me is annoyed that others "get it free." But it's not my place to take theirs away just because I want it. That's called stealing And how hard done by we are. We (in this conversation) are all in the wealthy category. We always look at what more we could have, and so easily forget how good we really have it. When we talk about uneven distribition of wealth, we are in the middle ground. The small percentage at the top have more than enough for the large percentage at the bottom remember. Lower middle class is nowhere near Poverty "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #49 September 23, 2009 If you really want socialism, go live in a country that is set up for that. Seriously, why does every country have to be the same way? Just select the type of place you want to live in & move there. The USA is set up to lean more towards individual liberty & initiative. If you REALLY want to live under socialism, stop trying to convert one of the countries that is MOST staunchly un-socialist. Move to a country that already leans more towards collectivism, and work from there. Hell of a lot easier. People moved here because they wanted a less authoritarian government. Sometimes that meant moving away from families & friends & a culture & language they were used to. But a few did it anyway. So in other words, the populating of America resulted in a selection for people who were more likely to be individualists. It's not going to be easy to convert a whole group like that. Your best bet, if you want socialism, is to move somewhere where people are already more collectivist than individualist. I don't believe that one country should impose its culture on others by force. I didn't agree with the Cold War. Let there be different types of countries & let people move where it fits their personality best. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lucky... 0 #50 September 23, 2009 QuoteQuote I'm not advocating Communism, altho I am under the impression and do believe that the comradery is much higher there. I lived under Communism, and my personal experience is that it is not at all. It only looks like everyone is equally miserable there - but still, someone has a (crappy) car, and someone does not; someone is a janitor and someone is an office manager. And so on. Quote I think Socialism is the best, most universally "fair" system in the world. It depends how you define "fair". If you're contributing to the pot more than you take out, it's definitely not fair to you. But if you live off others, it's definitely considered very "fair" to you. I don't like the use of the word, "fair" which is why I put it in quotation marks. I guess we could say it's universally equitable but for the millionaires. It appears you're advocating the US system which is much like COmmunism in distribution of wealth, they are a lot alike. Again, fair is subjective, American rich whine that any taxes aren't fair, if they had it their way we would look like Tijuana with people on the brink of death living on the sidewalk begging. 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Lucky... 0 #33 September 23, 2009 QuoteAnd that's exactly why we need an estate/inheritance tax of 90%+ to wipe the slate clean! Otherwise, we are supporting "generational" wealth which is counterproductive to fostering individual accomplishments. Other than the "accomplishment" being to having been borne to wealthy parents. QuoteQuote>And in Bill Gate's case, let's make no mistake about it; the guy was >amazingly lucky to be in the exact right spot in the exact right time. Of course. Any success story involves the confluence of luck, skill, timing and talent. If you watched Pirates of the Silicon Valley they depicted Gates and Allen basically stealing the Op Sys from that guy and breaking IBM's balls to use the software while keeping the ownership of it. Remember, Gates' family was rich before he endeavored that deal, so he was already made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates Not sure of that's sarcasm, but we do need a fairly large inheritance tax. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #34 September 23, 2009 Quote But most wealth is held by people who have worked their whole lives to get out of it. I disagree, but I don't have any supporting data with that, I would love to see some. Quote Most major wealth is brought about by risk. These are people that laid it on the line and eventually had it paid off. Maybe. Or stole it. Inherited, etc. Quote I've found that a great deal of wealth is heald by a number of our immigrant workers. I've represented plenty of them and they live on limited means and save what they have. So you're saying they USED to be wealthy until Uncle Lawrocket helped them off of it? (JK) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #35 September 23, 2009 Quotebulllshit. the foundation of this country isn't the greater good of society, the foundation of this country is individual liberties of the concept of the rights of the individual outweighing the good of the whole. What you've done is denounced Utilitarianism, saying the good of teh individual outweighs that of the whole. Utilitarianism is found in Communism, wher ethe good of the whole is paramount. And of course you also support capital punnishment, which is Utilitarian, as there are errors and the good of those individuals don't outweigh the good of the whole. So that is where people are selectively Utilitarian. Quoteonce i am dead, society has no claims to what i have left behind. i make that decision. you may think my wishes are petty, but they are my wishes. To be decided by a judge working for the government. You lose a lot of rights after you die. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #36 September 23, 2009 QuoteQuote I disagree. You are free to do w/ you hard-earned money as you see fit while you live. Afterwards, the greater good of society overrules your petty wishes. You know, splitting you apart for organs and tissue could save up to ten lives. Isn't it also greater good for society - exchanging one life to ten, and how'd you feel about it? You won't get many Americans to understand the comradery that Socialism / Communism brings. Our society is based upon, Hi, nice to meet you (smile), let me stab you in the back as soon as you turn around (with a smile). Capitalism is the best monetary / market system around if kept in line, which it usually isn't, but it's the worst social system and is highly asocial to antisocial. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #37 September 23, 2009 Quoteor may be a testicle? Don't they come in pairs? It would be cool to have 4, I wonder if they can do that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #38 September 23, 2009 Quote Have you ever had sex with an African woman w/ obstetrical lacerations, fecal and urinary incontinence, and that has been kicked out of their tribe? Have you? On second thought, please don't answer the question "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,379 #39 September 23, 2009 > That's why women with obstetrical lacerations and subsequent fecal > and urinary incontinence are kicked out of their tribes. And why women here are regularly beaten bloody by their husbands. I've been to Africa, and once you get away from the cities the people there are among the nicest, most easygoing people I've ever met. Most americans are never as happy as some of the people I've met there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #40 September 23, 2009 Quote > That's why women with obstetrical lacerations and subsequent fecal > and urinary incontinence are kicked out of their tribes. And why women here are regularly beaten bloody by their husbands. I've been to Africa, and once you get away from the cities the people there are among the nicest, most easygoing people I've ever met. Most americans are never as happy as some of the people I've met there. African women have testcles and run fast; I saw it on TV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #41 September 23, 2009 Quote You won't get many Americans to understand the comradery that Socialism / Communism brings. Our society is based upon, Hi, nice to meet you (smile), let me stab you in the back as soon as you turn around (with a smile). Communism is only different in terms that you won't even get smiles; everything else would be the same.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #42 September 23, 2009 Quote It's your choice to believe whatever you want to believe! But believeing is not knowing! Have you ever had sex with an African woman w/ obstetrical lacerations, fecal and urinary incontinence, and that has been kicked out of their tribe? How do you know all this? FOX NEWS? Limbaugh? Glenn Beck? QuoteQuoteIf I want to experience Africa LIVE, I just have to travel 10 mi. to South Fulton (Atlanta). Let me amend that statement: ppl in Africa are much more communal and supportive of each other! Right. That's why women with obstetrical lacerations and subsequent fecal and urinary incontinence are kicked out of their tribes. Pssssssssstttt, she knows what she is talking about and you do not, are you a doctor? Have you spent your own free time and expenses to fly to another country and treat people for free? The same people who would get no medical treatment if it were not for volunteers... Quite using hyperbole to argue against fact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #43 September 23, 2009 Quote And why women here are regularly beaten bloody by their husbands. This happens everywhere, I wouldn't limit it to any specific country. For example, it happens on much larger scale in Russia, mostly because the police doesn't give shit about what they call "family disagreements" (however, in their favor, I have to admit they have a very good reason for that). Quote I've been to Africa, and once you get away from the cities the people there are among the nicest, most easygoing people I've ever met. Most americans are never as happy as some of the people I've met there. I tend to believe it's the same everywhere when people are too busy to satisfy their basic survival needs. The main reason is that their collective survival really depends on each others, and because they just do not have time to watch Fox news or other stupid shit, no mention discussing and disagreeing about it.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #44 September 23, 2009 QuoteQuote You won't get many Americans to understand the comradery that Socialism / Communism brings. Our society is based upon, Hi, nice to meet you (smile), let me stab you in the back as soon as you turn around (with a smile). Communism is only different in terms that you won't even get smiles; everything else would be the same. I thought you were saying you guys are often organ donors, etc? Fundamentally, I think Socialism and Communism are far more user friendly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #45 September 23, 2009 Quote I thought you were saying you guys are often organ donors, etc? In Communism everyone is - it's not like anyone gonna ask your permission. Remember, the government there decides everything for you. Quote Fundamentally, I think Socialism and Communism are far more user friendly. It's more user friendly for the average Joe - because it gives them everything taken from anyone who is above average.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #46 September 23, 2009 QuoteQuote I thought you were saying you guys are often organ donors, etc? In Communism everyone is - it's not like anyone gonna ask your permission. Remember, the government there decides everything for you. Quote Fundamentally, I think Socialism and Communism are far more user friendly. It's more user friendly for the average Joe - because it gives them everything taken from anyone who is above average. I'm not advocating Communism, altho I am under the impression and do believe that the comradery is much higher there. I think Socialism is the best, most universally "fair" system in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #47 September 23, 2009 Quote I'm not advocating Communism, altho I am under the impression and do believe that the comradery is much higher there. I lived under Communism, and my personal experience is that it is not at all. It only looks like everyone is equally miserable there - but still, someone has a (crappy) car, and someone does not; someone is a janitor and someone is an office manager. And so on. Quote I think Socialism is the best, most universally "fair" system in the world. It depends how you define "fair". If you're contributing to the pot more than you take out, it's definitely not fair to you. But if you live off others, it's definitely considered very "fair" to you.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #48 September 23, 2009 QuoteDoes it make me a little jealous to see rich kids inherit daddy's (or mommy's) company? Yes. I rose up from lower middle class... and a part of me is annoyed that others "get it free." But it's not my place to take theirs away just because I want it. That's called stealing And how hard done by we are. We (in this conversation) are all in the wealthy category. We always look at what more we could have, and so easily forget how good we really have it. When we talk about uneven distribition of wealth, we are in the middle ground. The small percentage at the top have more than enough for the large percentage at the bottom remember. Lower middle class is nowhere near Poverty "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #49 September 23, 2009 If you really want socialism, go live in a country that is set up for that. Seriously, why does every country have to be the same way? Just select the type of place you want to live in & move there. The USA is set up to lean more towards individual liberty & initiative. If you REALLY want to live under socialism, stop trying to convert one of the countries that is MOST staunchly un-socialist. Move to a country that already leans more towards collectivism, and work from there. Hell of a lot easier. People moved here because they wanted a less authoritarian government. Sometimes that meant moving away from families & friends & a culture & language they were used to. But a few did it anyway. So in other words, the populating of America resulted in a selection for people who were more likely to be individualists. It's not going to be easy to convert a whole group like that. Your best bet, if you want socialism, is to move somewhere where people are already more collectivist than individualist. I don't believe that one country should impose its culture on others by force. I didn't agree with the Cold War. Let there be different types of countries & let people move where it fits their personality best. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #50 September 23, 2009 QuoteQuote I'm not advocating Communism, altho I am under the impression and do believe that the comradery is much higher there. I lived under Communism, and my personal experience is that it is not at all. It only looks like everyone is equally miserable there - but still, someone has a (crappy) car, and someone does not; someone is a janitor and someone is an office manager. And so on. Quote I think Socialism is the best, most universally "fair" system in the world. It depends how you define "fair". If you're contributing to the pot more than you take out, it's definitely not fair to you. But if you live off others, it's definitely considered very "fair" to you. I don't like the use of the word, "fair" which is why I put it in quotation marks. I guess we could say it's universally equitable but for the millionaires. It appears you're advocating the US system which is much like COmmunism in distribution of wealth, they are a lot alike. Again, fair is subjective, American rich whine that any taxes aren't fair, if they had it their way we would look like Tijuana with people on the brink of death living on the sidewalk begging. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
