Should scientific meeting organizers boycott Louisiana?

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In June 2008, Louisiana governor Jindal signed a bill authorizing Creationism to be taught in public school science class.

Scientists are protesting by re-locating their scientific meetings & conventions to other states.


stories here :http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/54828/

http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/55435/

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[Darius11 12]

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Should scientific meeting organizers boycott Louisiana?

Yes and we should boycott people who believe in Creationism and think that man used to fight the Trex and make it in to a steak.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Are you implying that the Flintstones was NOT a documentary???

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[Darius11 12]

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Are you implying that the Flintstones was NOT a documentary???

You had to say it and now your going to HELL.......................can you save me a spot next to some hot porn stars if you go first? I'll do the same for you


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0gAcbAGPH4

Lewis Black On Bush, Bible, Fossils, Evolution, and Reality.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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In June 2008, Louisiana governor Jindal signed a bill authorizing Creationism to be taught in public school science class.

Creationism is not Science...end of story.

There's really not much to teach about creation anyway...how hard is it...a first grader can understand it....off,on.

When I create a visual effect in a composting program, there are a multitude of ways that effect could have been created...nobody could possibly know my process unless they observed it first hand.

Again, creationism is not science...hello McFly, whoever you are.

A true fundamentalist would understand that....who are these people?

A better question for the matter at hand is, what kind of a science teacher would actually teach creation as science?

We should be more concerned with real science teachers refusing to teach if they are forced to treat creation as science....skrew the conventions, we've got podcasts for those.

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Louisiana seems to have shown that they neither understand nor care about science so if you're a scientist, avoiding the place probably wouldn't be a bad idea.

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Are you implying that the Flintstones was NOT a documentary???

You had to say it and now your going to HELL.......................can you save me a spot next to some hot porn stars if you go first? I'll do the same for you


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0gAcbAGPH4

Lewis Black On Bush, Bible, Fossils, Evolution, and Reality.

He used my joke!

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well here's one of the reasons he wants both taught evolution is only a theory. This is just a little piece

Speaking at one of two simultaneous press conferences on the project's results, head scientist Svante Paabo said the two teams had sequenced more than three billion sections, or 60 percent, of Neanderthal DNA.

Initial analysis of the results has confirmed the teams' belief that Neanderthals, humanity's closest known relative, contributed very little to the gene pool of modern humans.

"Our data really shows if there was a contribution, it was very small. It's tiny," Paabo said

They used the word confirmed our closest reletive contributed very little IF any dna. Why because they found none they didn't even find a little bit. But you keep teaching in your schools evolution and down here we'll put it where it belongs in theory

[wmw999 2,382]

My cousin is not my ancestor. But we have a common ancestor. Evolution expands that relatedness to past humans.

Evolution is a theory, but there is a lot more evidence for it than intelligent design, which postulates that part of it cannot be known.

Note: I am no atheist. But I really, really don't think that we should use religion to bound science.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 2,894]

>They used the word confirmed our closest reletive contributed very little IF
>any dna. Why because they found none they didn't even find a little bit

I think you perhaps do not understand what "contributed" means. It means that once our two species diverged, neanderthals and homo sapiens did not interbreed. It does not mean that we're not derived of a common ancestor. Some additional reading:

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Neanderthal DNA secrets unlocked
By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

A genetic breakthrough could help clear up some long-standing mysteries surrounding our closest evolutionary relatives: the Neanderthals. Scientists have reconstructed a chunk of DNA from the genome of a Neanderthal man who lived 38,000 years ago.. . .

Studying the Neanderthal genome will shed light on the genetic changes that made our species what it is, after the evolutionary lineages of Neanderthals and modern humans diverged from one another.

. . .

The two teams basically agree, within their margins of error, that the evolutionary lineages of Neanderthals and modern humans split somewhere around 500,000 years ago. This fits with previous estimates from mtDNA and archaeological data.
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The Human Genome sequence was finished in 2001. That is 3,000,000,000 bits of information were decoded and put in order - a BIG job.

Now, using 38,000-year-old bone fragments, researchers have sequenced 3.7 billion base pairs of Neanderthal DNA.neanderthal

Neanderthals are our closest relatives on the hominid family tree. We split from them about 500,000 years ago and for the next 475,000 years or so, modern humans and Neanderthals coexisted on the planet and sometimes even in the same region.

Neanderthals vanished about 30,000 years ago, leaving modern humans to inherit the Earth. Why humans ended up being more successful has long been a topic of debate.

Interestingly, the newly completed sequence shows that humans and Neanderthals have genomes that are 99.5 percent the same.

By comparing the human and Neanderthal genomes with that of our closest living relative, the chimpanzee, researchers hope to tell which genes changed very recently, giving modern humans an edge.
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well here's one of the reasons he wants both taught evolution is only a theory. This is just a little piece

Speaking at one of two simultaneous press conferences on the project's results, head scientist Svante Paabo said the two teams had sequenced more than three billion sections, or 60 percent, of Neanderthal DNA.

Initial analysis of the results has confirmed the teams' belief that Neanderthals, humanity's closest known relative, contributed very little to the gene pool of modern humans.

"Our data really shows if there was a contribution, it was very small. It's tiny," Paabo said

They used the word confirmed our closest reletive contributed very little IF any dna. Why because they found none they didn't even find a little bit. But you keep teaching in your schools evolution and down here we'll put it where it belongs in theory

Well as Humans did not evolve from Neanderthals so why would there be a closer DNA match?

Creationism is NOT a scientific theory so keep it in RI class.

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My cousin is not my ancestor. But we have a common ancestor. Evolution expands that relatedness to past humans.

Evolution is a theory, but there is a lot more evidence for it than intelligent design, which postulates that part of it cannot be known.

Note: I am no atheist. But I really, really don't think that we should use religion to bound science.

Wendy W.

Ihave a friend here who is also doing her geneology. Her aunt sent her a bound book with all the generations and ancestors going back to Adam and Eve

Sometimes.. some of the things that church people will do to justify their existence... just amazes me

[billvon 2,894]

>Her aunt sent her a bound book with all the generations and ancestors
>going back to Adam and Eve . . .

Love to see where Tyrannosaurus Rex came from!

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Speaking at one of two simultaneous press conferences on the project's results, head scientist Svante Paabo said the two teams had sequenced more than three billion sections, or 60 percent, of Neanderthal DNA.

Initial analysis of the results has confirmed the teams' belief that Neanderthals, humanity's closest known relative, contributed very little to the gene pool of modern humans.

"Our data really shows if there was a contribution, it was very small. It's tiny," Paabo said

They used the word confirmed our closest reletive contributed very little IF any dna.

Homo sapiens sapiens (us) direct ancestor is Australopithecus spp. not Neanderthals.

Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis) and modern humans shared a same common ancestor from which they diverted >500k years ago.

Modern humans also did not descend from apes (or monkeys or chimpanzees or bonobos; the latter two are the closest genetically). Modern humans descended from Australopithecus spp.

The evolutionary lines of chimpanzees and humans split 5-7 million years ago. So yes, Dr. Paabo's work (if quoted corectly above) supports the theory of evolution.

Theory in a precise usage does not mean 'notional guess' or 'hypothesis.'

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Why because they found none they didn't even find a little bit. But you keep teaching in your schools evolution and down here we'll put it where it belongs in theory

On one hand this would not surprise me - modern humans and neanderthals speciated 100s of thousands of years ago. So it would be unlikely to have 100% homogeneity; as it would be with any non-identical twins.

Otoh, modern humans and apes, chimpanzees, bononbos (still not a direct ancestor) share >98% of our DNA. We share >80% of our DNA with mice. We share something like 40 or 50% of our DNA with bananas. If there were no similarities with Neandethals that would be remarkable!

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Interestingly, the newly completed sequence shows that humans and Neanderthals have genomes that are 99.5 percent the same.

By comparing the human and Neanderthal genomes with that of our closest living relative, the chimpanzee, researchers hope to tell which genes changed very recently, giving modern humans an edge.

Thanks for 'rest of the story' as one might say.

/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

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>Her aunt sent her a bound book with all the generations and ancestors
>going back to Adam and Eve . . .

Love to see where Tyrannosaurus Rex came from!

I am still trying to figure out where the people that married into the Adam and Eve Family came from???


That book only gets back several thousand years.... Heck I have relatives who walked here from Asia a few thousand years before that.

Its a long walk from Siberia... to Florida.

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Bottom line evolution is still very much a theory, like global warming, the universe, dark matter and a whole bunch of other stuff. I'm not saying science does not have a place or a voice. I simply saying that there is a lot of theory out there, scientist don't agree and there theories change a lot.
With that in mind history has used less written material to prove a lot of history then was written about Jesus Christ so where's the fairness. I'll close and leave this with if you all big city folk think that we're just a bunch of barefoot hicks down here with no idea about the world or of course science. I'm ok with that, think what you will and we will do what the Constitution intended exercise out states rights.

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>Bottom line evolution is still very much a theory, like global warming,
>the universe, dark matter and a whole bunch of other stuff.

?? The universe is a "theory?" OK then.

Evolution has been observed happening in labs. We've seen new species appear. We have fossils that trace our origins back to rodents. We share most of our DNA with our closest relatives. Our molecular clocks agree on the date at which we split from our common ancestors.

>I simply saying that there is a lot of theory out there, scientist don't agree
>and there theories change a lot.

The vast majority of scientists do indeed agree on evolution.

>I'll close and leave this with if you all big city folk think that we're just a bunch
>of barefoot hicks down here with no idea about the world or of course science.

Evolution is one of the basic scientific theories that much of modern biology, genetics and medicine is based on. Without it, you give up much of what we have learned about the life sciences over the past few decades, and are as equipped to operate in that world as is an astronaut who does not believe the earth is round.

Now, you can claim whatever you like. You can claim that the moon is made of cheese, that George Bush destroyed the Twin Towers, and that the moon landing was faked. That's fine. Just don't expect the rest of the country to take you seriously when it comes to your stance on science. How the "big city folk" perceive you (and indeed how the rest of the world perceives you) will depend not on what people think of your footwear but on your own demonstrated views on the science the rest of the world uses.

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Bottom line evolution is still very much a theory, like global warming, the universe, dark matter and a whole bunch of other stuff.

Exactly. Evolution is a theory, just like the universe is a theory. Evolution happening really is about as certain as the universe existing.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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?? The universe is a "theory?" OK then.

I know that dumb hick from Louisiana didn’t even know there was a universe right?

Actually the universe is in fact a theory there are many scientist that think it’s a multi verse not a universe they believe there are more then one. There is also belief that there are more dimensions and there are possibly even other us; yes you and me in them. Sounds crazy don't it. This doesn't come from the funny farm but from quantum physicists that are considered the best in their field.

Here’s an example of that: The one they have come up with is multiple universes, or "the multiverse". This theory says that what we have been calling "the universe" is nothing of the sort. Rather, it is an infinitesimal fragment of a much grander and more elaborate system in which our cosmic region, vast though it is, represents but a single bubble of space amid a countless number of other bubbles, or pocket universes.
A couple of the physicist that claim this theory, Hugh Ross, Ph.D. Dr. Laura Mersini Fazale Rana Ph.D Kenneth Samples Ph.D.

Anyway the web is full of this information if you really have an interest. Well enough for one night, I have to put my teeth up and blow out the lamp it’s past our bedtime here in the marsh!

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I'm not saying science does not have a place or a voice..

Exactly, in school that place is science class.

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With that in mind history has used less written material to prove a lot of history then was written about Jesus Christ so where's the fairness.

That would be religion class.

- Dan G

[billvon 2,894]

>I know that dumb hick from Louisiana didn’t even know there was a universe right?

Your words, not mine.

>There is also belief that there are more dimensions and there are possibly
>even other us; yes you and me in them. Sounds crazy don't it.

Not crazy at all. String theory gives us way more than three dimensions (11 dimensions in M-theory) and the many-worlds theory is an alternative way of explaining wave function collapse.

All of which is quite different than claiming the universe is "only a theory."

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I've enjoyed the jousting with science, so it brings me back to the original subject should scientific meeting organizers boycott Louisiana because our Governor representing the will of the people wants creation taught in school. He never said take the science out only add to. Here's my take and many others here feel the same. If your going to teach a bunch of scientific theories and we have shown there are many being taught. We also teach kids how to put on condoms and allow them to talk to counselors without parental knowledge. We teach them that homosexualality is an alternate life style. Then why can't we teach them what over 88% of the population believes which is divine design this includes all or most religions that believe in God. Why don’t we teach them tolerance for Christians, Muslims and other religions and of course creation is a theory with a lot of evidence we would only have more rounded people coming out of school. For you Constitution fans the 1st amendment says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibititing the free exercise thereof.
So if scientist are so closed minded that they don’t want anything but their theories taught then I think we can get by with out them here. States do have rights and if the rest of the country is going to boycott a state for exercising its rights how narrow minded is that? I didn’t know we had to agree on everything to be a United States!

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Boycotting a state for this is plain daft but so is expecting ID to be taught in science lessons - it's not science it's religion and should only be discussed in RE lessons.


Also, 88% is hard for me to believe too but if so, wow just wow.

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In June 2008, Louisiana governor Jindal signed a bill authorizing Creationism to be taught in public school science class.

Scientists are protesting by re-locating their scientific meetings & conventions to other states.


stories here :http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/54828/

http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/55435/

By all means, when someone disagrees with you act like a three year old and BOYCOTT them!

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