BillyVance 34 #1 January 14, 2009 I couldn't believe any parent could be so fucking stupid when this first broke out in the news, and I'm not surprised at the result. I seriously hope these kids get their names legally changed. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28655143/?GT1=43001 I know there are worse things being done to kids by idiotic parents, but this is pretty moronic. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 768 #2 January 14, 2009 While I agree with most of the perspective the parents are idiots... I certainly hope they were not removed from their home based solely on their names! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #3 January 14, 2009 I agree that the names are obnoxious but if that's the *only* reason the kids were removed ... we're on a pretty slippery slope. Of course, there are no details in the article, so there very well could be other reasons."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #4 January 14, 2009 Quote While I agree with most of the perspective the parents are idiots... I certainly hope they were not removed from their home based solely on their names! Surely, you don't think these kids can be given an honest, unbiased and grounded home education with names like those? DHR must have feared these kids would be groomed to be part of the Aryan Nation or something. I remember the story broke when a bakery refused to spell out "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler" on a cake."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 768 #5 January 14, 2009 The same could be said of a lot of names. All depends on who is offended I suppose. At least Hitler is safe now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #6 January 14, 2009 Quote Surely, you don't think these kids can be given an honest, unbiased and grounded home education with names like those? DHR must have feared these kids would be groomed to be part of the Aryan Nation or something. Is it against the law to be part of the Aryan Nation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #7 January 14, 2009 QuoteSurely, you don't think these kids can be given an honest, unbiased and grounded home education with names like those? You could make the same argument about fundamentalists of every religious stripe, particularly those who choose to home school their children. But instead, home-schooling is state-sanctioned as an alternative to public or private institutions. Like I said ... slippery slope. These people may be teaching their things that most people find abhorrent, but I don't think it's the state's place to interfere solely because of that."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #8 January 14, 2009 Quote The same could be said of a lot of names. All depends on who is offended I suppose. At least Hitler is safe now. That's true... I wonder if the same thing would happen if a muslim family in say Detroit, decided to name their kid Osama Bin Laden..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #9 January 14, 2009 QuoteQuote Surely, you don't think these kids can be given an honest, unbiased and grounded home education with names like those? DHR must have feared these kids would be groomed to be part of the Aryan Nation or something. Is it against the law to be part of the Aryan Nation? Not here in the states.... In Germany, maybe but I'd have to research it. At the very least, it is extremely poor judgement to name kids after some of the most hated and evil people in world history. Not to mention the hardships these kids already have lined up ahead of them in their lives."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #10 January 14, 2009 I think it is extremely poor judgement to expose kids to stories of an invisible man in the clouds who purposefully let his son get nailed to a tree, but that is the price of freedom; you have to accept what the twit next door chooses to do with his freedom. Edited to add: I think you are right about it being illegal in Germany but they have socialized medicine and we know y'all don't want that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #11 January 14, 2009 QuoteQuoteSurely, you don't think these kids can be given an honest, unbiased and grounded home education with names like those? You could make the same argument about fundamentalists of every religious stripe, particularly those who choose to home school their children. But instead, home-schooling is state-sanctioned as an alternative to public or private institutions. Like I said ... slippery slope. These people may be teaching their things that most people find abhorrent, but I don't think it's the state's place to interfere solely because of that. Agreed. My searches into the story so far haven't turned up whatever other, if any, factors came into play. If socially offensive names are all the authorities have to rely on, then I highly doubt that in the long run they'd prevail. Maybe even in the short run if the initial trial judge is intellectually honest. For the moment, I'll take a wait & see attitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #12 January 14, 2009 As long as those children are fed and clothed properly, recieving an education that meets with what we call a 'good' education, are not abused and being loved, the parents can name them any name they want. Even though, the parents may be members of the Aryan nation or Ku Klux Klan, Republican or Democratic party. We in this country have a right to our beliefs. We may not like it but, that's the bottom line. To remove children from their home, simply because of their names is wrong. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #13 January 14, 2009 QuoteAs long as those children are fed and clothed properly, recieving an education that meets with what we call a 'good' education, are not abused and being loved, the parents can name them any name they want. Even though, the parents may be members of the Aryan nation or Ku Klux Klan, Republican or Democratic party. We in this country have a right to our beliefs. We may not like it but, that's the bottom line. To remove children from their home, simply because of their names is wrong. Ding ding ding! Thank you. Who will they come for next? Rural parents who raise their children to be rednecks? Black parents who raise their children to be welfare recipients? Besides, no matter how they're raised, they still have the free will and opportunity to become something else as a free-thinking adult. It's not like their upbringing is going to cast them in some mold for life. The government should not be telling parents what lifestyle is proper for their children. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #14 January 14, 2009 QuoteI remember the story broke when a bakery refused to spell out "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler" on a cake.I'm still trying to find out if the parents went to a jewish bakery to get the cake. No, I'm not trying to be funny. Think about it."No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #15 January 15, 2009 that would make sense for them to do because they would probably think it was funny but also them being disgusted by a cake baked by a jew would also make sense.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #16 January 15, 2009 I was thinking more along the lines of they were looking for a confrontation in the first place. Anybody that would name one of their children "Adolf Hitler" is looking for trouble."No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,918 #17 January 15, 2009 >As long as those children are fed and clothed properly, recieving an education >that meets with what we call a 'good' education, are not abused and being loved, >the parents can name them any name they want. Even though, the parents may >be members of the Aryan nation or Ku Klux Klan, Republican or Democratic >party. We in this country have a right to our beliefs. I agree. They can call their kid Benito, or Jesus, or Hitler, or Osama, or Cyndykins if they want. I think it's a shitty thing to do to a kid, but they are their kids, not mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #18 January 15, 2009 QuoteI agree. They can call their kid Benito, or Jesus, or Hitler, or Osama, or Cyndykins if they want. I think it's a shitty thing to do to a kid, but they are their kids, not mine. Speaking of folk called Jesus, and "Their Kids"... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7829382.stm Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #19 January 15, 2009 Quote You could make the same argument about fundamentalists of every religious stripe, particularly those who choose to home school their children. But instead, home-schooling is state-sanctioned as an alternative to public or private institutions. And just what is so wrong with kids being homeschooled??? I'm pretty sure most kids that are homeschooled ( in the right way,not just left home from school to do their own thing) are more intelligent than those who are fed information only to regurgitate it back out in public schools. There are many benefits to homeschooling kids, especially if the child is not quite ready for the public school environment or is prone to be ing teased/harassed for some reason or another. Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #20 January 15, 2009 Quote Quote You could make the same argument about fundamentalists of every religious stripe, particularly those who choose to home school their children. But instead, home-schooling is state-sanctioned as an alternative to public or private institutions. And just what is so wrong with kids being homeschooled??? I'm pretty sure most kids that are homeschooled ( in the right way,not just left home from school to do their own thing) are more intelligent than those who are fed information only to regurgitate it back out in public schools. There are many benefits to homeschooling kids, especially if the child is not quite ready for the public school environment or is prone to be ing teased/harassed for some reason or another. Home-schooling is good if the parent is dedicated to teaching their kids. I just fail to see how parents who name their kid after one of the 5 worst human beings on earth, can be good home-schoolers. However, I understand the points made by others that kids shouldn't be taken away just because of the names alone. We know the government can be heavy-handed in certain situations, like the Latter Day Saints situation in west Texas last year and the Cuban kid in south Florida when Janet Reno was the AG."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #21 January 15, 2009 [email]QuoteAs long as those children are fed and clothed properly, recieving an education that meets with what we call a 'good' education, are not abused and being loved, the parents can name them any name they want. Even though, the parents may be members of the Aryan nation or Ku Klux Klan, Republican or Democratic party. We in this country have a right to our beliefs. We may not like it but, that's the bottom line. To remove children from their home, simply because of their names is wrong. Chuck QFT - I could agree more. There must be more to this story. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #22 January 15, 2009 Quote Quote You could make the same argument about fundamentalists of every religious stripe, particularly those who choose to home school their children. But instead, home-schooling is state-sanctioned as an alternative to public or private institutions. And just what is so wrong with kids being homeschooled??? I'm pretty sure most kids that are homeschooled ( in the right way,not just left home from school to do their own thing) are more intelligent than those who are fed information only to regurgitate it back out in public schools. There are many benefits to homeschooling kids, especially if the child is not quite ready for the public school environment or is prone to be ing teased/harassed for some reason or another. I don't think that where one goes to school affects ones intelligence (that's genetic). (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #23 January 15, 2009 Quote Quote You could make the same argument about fundamentalists of every religious stripe, particularly those who choose to home school their children. But instead, home-schooling is state-sanctioned as an alternative to public or private institutions. And just what is so wrong with kids being homeschooled??? I'm pretty sure most kids that are homeschooled ( in the right way,not just left home from school to do their own thing) are more intelligent than those who are fed information only to regurgitate it back out in public schools. There are many benefits to homeschooling kids, especially if the child is not quite ready for the public school environment or is prone to be ing teased/harassed for some reason or another. If you bothered to follow my entire argument and not just take that quote out of context, you might understand that I haven't stated any objection to home-schooling."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #24 January 15, 2009 Quote I don't think that where one goes to school affects ones intelligence (that's genetic). Disagree. Intelligence is a combination of genetics and environment. The well stimulated child does not just grow up better informed, they are smarter. Many mentally retarded people got that way due to developmental issues both pre and post natal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #25 January 15, 2009 Quote And just what is so wrong with kids being homeschooled??? Do you actually read the posts you respond to? You're entertaining, I'll grant that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
