kallend 1,623 #1 December 12, 2008 Report finds Bush administration responsible for detainee abuse: online.wsj.com/article/SB122903518327099661.html?mod=googlenews_wsj... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chadkal 0 #2 December 12, 2008 I don't see the abuse -------------------------------------------------- I am a greek midget Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frequentfaller 0 #3 December 12, 2008 sleep deprivation, bad food, sleeping in cold, no clothing. kinda like people getting hazed to join fraternity.Born ok 1st time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #4 December 12, 2008 QuoteI don't see the abuse "A man sees what he wants to see, and disregards the rest". P. Simon.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #5 December 12, 2008 >I don't see the abuse Imagine a US soldier is beaten to death in a Taliban cell. Will you still not "see the abuse?" Or is it only abuse when our guys are beaten to death? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frequentfaller 0 #6 December 12, 2008 they wouldnt beat him. thats inhuman. they would behead him. much better.Born ok 1st time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #7 December 12, 2008 >they wouldnt beat him. thats inhuman. they would behead him. much better. Right, because if you torture US soldiers to death the right way, you'd apparently be fine with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #8 December 12, 2008 Quotesleep deprivation, bad food, sleeping in cold, no clothing (not that). kinda like boot camp people getting hazed to join fraternity. except recruits volunteer for that shit.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frequentfaller 0 #9 December 12, 2008 ok i give up. who did we beat to death?Born ok 1st time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #10 December 12, 2008 >who did we beat to death? Google Dilawar for one example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #11 December 12, 2008 Quoteok i give up. who did we beat to death? Clicky... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frequentfaller 0 #12 December 12, 2008 googled Major Elizabeth Rouse, pathologist with the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington DC, states that the cause of death was "blunt-force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease". In August 2005, lead interrogator Specialist Glendale Wells of the US army pleaded guilty at a military court to pushing Dilawar against a wall and doing nothing to prevent other soldiers from abusing him. Wells was subsequently sentenced to two months in a military prison. Two other soldiers convicted in connection with the case escaped custodial sentences. The sentences were criticized by Human Rights WatchBorn ok 1st time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 December 12, 2008 QuoteI don't see the abuse I would be happy to demonstrate it for you..... from a strictly professional point of course. I bet you would not be a happy camper. Read the article.. it has some interesting background. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frequentfaller 0 #14 December 12, 2008 QuoteRight, because if you torture US soldiers to death the right way, you'd apparently be fine with that. its war. its not right. it happened in all wars. they were mildly punished and kicked out. other countries would have given them medals.Born ok 1st time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,396 #15 December 12, 2008 >its war. its not right. "It's war" was not an excuse for 9/11. It's not an excuse to cut people's heads off, blow people up in farmer's markets, or torture people to death. We should treat people (even people we capture) as we have agreed to treat them, and we should expect others to do the same. If we can't be bothered, we have no right to expect others to do so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 December 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteI don't see the abuse I would be happy to demonstrate it for you..... from a strictly professional point of course. You mean for $300 / hr? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #17 December 12, 2008 Nah.... I know people who have done that.. what YOU are thinking of..... I was doing things like in the article for like $300 a month.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frequentfaller 0 #18 December 12, 2008 i agree. its not right. our enemies can't fight us conventionaly, so they will continue to fly planes into buildings, strapping bombs to themselves and beheading us. there are military rules in place, for us and the prisoners we capture. are they followed all the time? no. are those people punished? not enough. how do we fix? pull out, so we can't kill and torture. then they will be the only ones doing wrong. killing us.Born ok 1st time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueskybug 0 #19 December 12, 2008 I think it would make some happy if we could get the ACLU involved.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #20 December 12, 2008 Quote I think it would make some happy if we could get the ACLU involved.... It would make me happy if the next administration repudiates the Bush doctrine and declares that the USA will abide by the Geneva Conventions.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueskybug 0 #21 December 12, 2008 I don't really have a problem with following the Geneva Conventions. I don't really see the new admin following the Bush doctrine for better or worse do you ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frequentfaller 0 #22 December 12, 2008 bush haters, look for any and all stones to throw at him. even if those issues are something he or his administration are not responsible for. are there prisoner of war mistreatments? yes. i think the nature of the enemy, terrorists not prisoners of war from a specific country affect judgement on how to treat them. torture is still not right, but i don't think its as widespread as the dems try make it. i don't like republicans or democrats. both parties lie and back stab each other. the country needs additional party or parties. never happen because the dems and reps can raise so much money, another party has no chance.Born ok 1st time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ion01 1 #23 December 12, 2008 Quote>I don't see the abuse Imagine a US soldier is beaten to death in a Taliban cell. Will you still not "see the abuse?" Or is it only abuse when our guys are beaten to death? I didn't see anything about anybody being beaten much less to death. Why should the enemy be given better treatment than what our soldiers are having to endure? How horrible that they were strip of their clothes!?!?!?!? That is something done here in our own prisons as there is no other way to ensure that they have no weapons or can create weapons or even hang themselves with their own clothes. Some of the enemy we are talking about here is suicidal. This is war! Do you know what is also considered torture? Making prisoners listen to a loud recording of a crying baby day after day, spraying them with cold water, shining a bright light at them and yelling......oh the humanity! Lets get real people. They have killed people in war. Why should they be given better treatment than not only our soldiers but even the people of the country they are fighting in....or even many people here without jobs or the children without parents in the system? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frequentfaller 0 #24 December 12, 2008 read earlier threads. described in my post links in other peoples posts. the u.s. is guilty of pow mistreatments and killings.Born ok 1st time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #25 December 12, 2008 Aren't you the devout Christian that spends most of his posts arguing for the validity of the Bible? You might want to go back and read it. You know, the Golden Rule, love thy neighbor, thou shalt not kill. "They're baddies," is not an excuse to be a baddie yourself. I can't believe I have to explain something so simple. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
