diablopilot 2 #1 November 12, 2008 Never heard of Olbermann before, but this is a thoughtful message.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4xfMisqab8---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #2 November 12, 2008 Nicely organized and heartfelt opinion. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 November 12, 2008 QuoteNever heard of Olbermann before, but this is a thoughtful message.... And he is considered by many to be the "crazy" guy on the left; the left's version of O'Reilly. Go fig.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #4 November 12, 2008 Olbermann is normally a bullshit spewing loudmouth who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. First saw him a few weeks ago and was stunned by what a fucktard he was making of himself on MSNBC. This, though, was a pretty good spiel from him. Guess he isn't full of shit all the time. Quite well done in most regards. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #5 November 12, 2008 Quote And he is considered by many to be the "crazy" guy on the left; the left's version of O'Reilly. Go fig. To be fair (and I agree with Olbermann more often than not), that was a particularly non-ranty example of his work. He can be pretty shrill at times. Ben Affleck did a nice parody a couple weeks ago on SNL. http://www.hulu.com/watch/42024/saturday-night-live-countdown-with-keith-olbermann"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chadkal 0 #6 November 12, 2008 it was a well written and delivered speech,.... but I still think he is a moron -------------------------------------------------- I am a greek midget Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #7 November 12, 2008 obviously it does, since no one has really replied. Hard to argue with what he says. It's funny, my church is doing a special series called "40 Days of Love" where the theme is basically the Great Commandment (Love the Lord your God....and love your neighbor as yourself). The emphasis is on the second half, since it is often so hard to do. I know my church had a lot of prop 8 supporters (and a lot who were against it, to be fair). I would LOVE to somehow get them to see this. It basically says exactly what our entire series has been talking about. To me, acting like a Christian means following that commandment. Look, no one is perfect, and God knows it's impossible to do it on my own, but honestly, if every Christian actually DID what Christ said to do, i think there would be a lot less anti-christian sentiment floating around, and a lot fewer stupid ballot measures like prop 8.Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #8 November 12, 2008 Nope. The people who voted to restrict others rights via Prop 8 will feel no more shame than those who elected GWB twice. They somehow put a disconnect between themselves and the results of their actions. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #9 November 12, 2008 Quoteit was a well written and delivered speech,.... but I still think he is a moron But what did you think about the message of the speech? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chadkal 0 #10 November 12, 2008 that would fall under he's a moron -------------------------------------------------- I am a greek midget Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #11 November 12, 2008 Quotethat would fall under he's a moron Do unto others as you would have them do to you. That's probably one of the foundations of your religious beliefs. Hope that works for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #12 November 13, 2008 Marriage = one man, one woman. Period. Anything more or less is not marriage. Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #13 November 13, 2008 Says who? By what legal definition? BTW, how would you like it if Prop 9 was to revoke the right of women to vote? Did you even listen to what he said? Are you that out of touch with the teachings of your religion to understand what Prop 8 did is counter to what those teachings say?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #14 November 13, 2008 QuoteMarriage = one man, one woman. Period. Anything more or less is not marriage. Marriage used to mean one white man and one white woman. Black and white people could not be legally married. We changed the legal definition of marriage so as not to discriminate based on race. Was that wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #15 November 13, 2008 Wow. It is because of LOVE one stands up for what is right. I don't think there should be gay marriages, nor should it be as easy as it is to get a divorce. Marriage was designed by God, the union of one man and one woman. It is because of LOVE that I also think abortion is wrong. You think that redefining what is best for society and families is an act of hatred? Nope. Keith was talking about showing love by allowing gay marriages. I'm talking about showing love by what is best for families. Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #16 November 13, 2008 QuoteQuoteMarriage = one man, one woman. Period. Anything more or less is not marriage. Marriage used to mean one white man and one white woman. Black and white people could not be legally married. We changed the legal definition of marriage so as not to discriminate based on race. Was that wrong? Nope. When the bible mentions marriage, the unifying of one man and one woman, it does not mention race. I have no problem with interracial marriages. Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #17 November 13, 2008 No point in trying to argue using logic against fanatics, They just dont want to hear it if it contradicts their 2000+ year old work of fiction. I mean how do you argue with people that believe in Noah's ark? Once again, religion poisons everything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,930 #18 November 13, 2008 QuoteQuoteMarriage = one man, one woman. Period. Anything more or less is not marriage. Marriage used to mean one white man and one white woman. Black and white people could not be legally married. We changed the legal definition of marriage so as not to discriminate based on race. Was that wrong? Very misleading - that was a legal restriction for a short while (historically speaking) in a limited geographic area. The concept of marriage as a word in the English language long predates legalized bigotry in certain US states. The legalized bigotry was just as much a hijack of the language as the current hijack. And before the PAs fly, I am a devout atheist.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,881 #19 November 13, 2008 >Nope. When the bible mentions marriage, the unifying of one man and one woman, it >does not mention race. Exodus 34: And He said: “Behold, I make a covenant. Before all your people I will do marvels such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation; and all the people among whom you are shall see the work of the LORD. For it is an awesome thing that I will do with you. Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 13 But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images (for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God), lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they play the harlot with their gods and make sacrifice to their gods, and one of them invites you and you eat of his sacrifice, and you take of his daughters for your sons, and his daughters play the harlot with their gods and make your sons play the harlot with their gods. A clear prohibition against "taking of his daughters for your sons" when referring to other races. Deuteronomy 7: When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, and when the LORD your God delivers them over to you, you shall conquer them and utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. Nor shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to their son, nor take their daughter for your son. For they will turn your sons away from following Me, to serve other gods; so the anger of the LORD will be aroused against you and destroy you suddenly. Again, a clear prohibition against marrying the listed races. The Viriginia Supreme Court agreed with the Bible in 1967: "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, Malay and red, and He placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with His arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that He separated the races shows that He did not intend for the races to mix." >I have no problem with interracial marriages. That attitude would have gotten you kicked out of your church in the 1950's. They had not yet learned tolerance towards interracial marriage. Fortunately the US Supreme Court stepped in and forced people to accept interracial marriage, even though the majority of the people were against it. For the most part, once churches realized that interracial marriage did not destroy the US, they came to tolerate it and even condone it. Based on the reactions to gay marriage, though, we have a ways to go when it comes to tolerance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #20 November 13, 2008 Is the god you are referring to this god? The one that has bears rip apart 42 children for calling Elisha baldy? From Kings 2 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two I wonder if they teach this one in sunday school? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,930 #21 November 13, 2008 QuoteMarriage = one man, one woman. Period. Anything more or less is not marriage. Here's what one very high profile gay thinks about it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chadkal 0 #22 November 13, 2008 QuoteQuotethat would fall under he's a moron Do unto others as you would have them do to you. That's probably one of the foundations of your religious beliefs. Hope that works for you. I completely agree with you (not really a foundation, but a good principal),.. but I'm not really sure what this has to do with my statement. -------------------------------------------------- I am a greek midget Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #23 November 13, 2008 QuoteI'm talking about showing love by what is best for families. Who the hell are you to decide what is best for families? Are you saying that there is something wrong with children brought up in a same sex household? I love how you pick and choose what you want to obey in the bible and what you choose to ignore.Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #24 November 13, 2008 QuoteWow. It is because of LOVE one stands up for what is right. I don't think there should be gay marriages, nor should it be as easy as it is to get a divorce. Marriage was designed by God, the union of one man and one woman. It is because of LOVE that I also think abortion is wrong. You think that redefining what is best for society and families is an act of hatred? Nope. Keith was talking about showing love by allowing gay marriages. I'm talking about showing love by what is best for families. What is best for *your* family is not necessarily what is best for another (gay) family. Also, Abraham and Kings David and Solomon (among others) might beg to differ with your monogamous definition of marriage. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #25 November 13, 2008 QuoteThe concept of marriage as a word in the English language long predates legalized bigotry in certain US states. The legalized bigotry was just as much a hijack of the language as the current hijack. The concept of marriage long predates the English language, and previously (and still) includes polygamous relationships that run counter to the Christian interpretation. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
