quade 4 #1 November 11, 2008 How does the government (state of California) determine if a person is a man or woman?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #2 November 11, 2008 Who knows. Side note: Do the "yes" people have a problem with a hermaphrodite marrying? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 November 11, 2008 QuoteWho knows. Side note: Do the "yes" people have a problem with a hermaphrodite marrying? Or transgendered?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #4 November 11, 2008 QuoteDo the "yes" people have a problem with a hermaphrodite marrying? Ok only if they marry themself. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #5 November 11, 2008 QuoteQuoteDo the "yes" people have a problem with a hermaphrodite marrying? Ok only if they marry themself. LOFL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #6 November 11, 2008 it's an interesting question. Could lead to all sorts of headaches for the state if they truly are going to enforce the ridiculousness that is prop 8. I have a vision of a "legal" wedding requiring a state-sponsored doctor in attendance to give a checkup prior to the vows. On the other hand, prop 8 could be a HUGE boon to the doctors/clinics who do sex-reassignment operations/therapy. hmmm!! You know, there's just soooooo many things the yes on 8 people very obviously didn't consider. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #7 November 11, 2008 QuoteOr transgendered? Or transidentified even?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 November 11, 2008 Here we go.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #9 November 11, 2008 Can't resist linking my own post..... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3387115Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #10 November 11, 2008 Gimme a break. How about the birth certificate that you have to show anyway? You ridicule conservatives for making crazy leaps like gay marriage will result in animal sex, but then post crap like that. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #11 November 11, 2008 QuoteGimme a break. How about the birth certificate that you have to show anyway? You ridicule conservatives for making crazy leaps like gay marriage will result in animal sex, but then post crap like that. The whooshing sound you proabably didn't hear passing over your head might be explained here: http://www.tsroadmap.com/reality/birth-certificate.htmlOwned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 November 11, 2008 QuoteGimme a break. How about the birth certificate that you have to show anyway? You might have a point if you knew what you were talking about. In California a birth certificate is not required, but even if it was, they can be changed. Read this and show me what documents could possibly "prove" a a marriage is taking place between "one man and one woman." http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/fam/350-360.html BTW, the script . . . in the business we call that satire. Sorry if the finer points of that are missed by some.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #13 November 11, 2008 Quote The whooshing sound you proabably didn't hear passing over your head might be explained here: http://www.tsroadmap.com/reality/birth-certificate.html Yep "California Statute: Cal. Health & Safety Code § 103425 (2006). Text: Whenever a person born in this state has undergone surgical treatment for the purpose of altering his or her sexual characteristics to those of the opposite sex, a new birth certificate may be prepared for the person reflecting the change of gender and any change of name accomplished by an order of a court of this state, another state, the District of Columbia, or any territory of the United States. A petition for the issuance of a new birth certificate in those cases shall be filed with the superior court of the county where the petitioner resides. Summary: California will issue a birth certificate reflecting the proper sex." So a correct birth cirtificate must be issued. Two women will have two birth cirtificates that say they are two women. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 November 11, 2008 QuoteSo a correct birth cirtificate must be issued. Two women will have two birth cirtificates that say they are two women. Says may, not must and as stated before is not required for a marriage license.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #15 November 11, 2008 Quote You might have a point if you knew what you were talking about. In California a birth certificate is not required, but even if it was, they can be changed according to the above post, it can only be changed if your sex did, in fact, change. QuoteRead this and show me what documents could possibly "prove" a a marriage is taking place between "one man and one woman." http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/fam/350-360.html c) If necessary, the clerk may request additional documentary proof as to the accuracy of the facts stated. Sounds to me like the clerk could ask for a birth certificate to clear things up pretty quick. QuoteBTW, the script . . . in the business we call that satire. Sorry if the finer points of that are missed by some. Yeah. Got that. Then I called it a rediculous example just like relating gay marriage to beastiality. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #16 November 11, 2008 QuoteText: Whenever a person born in this state has undergone surgical treatment for the purpose of altering his or her sexual characteristics to those of the opposite sex, a new birth certificate may be prepared for the person reflecting the change of gender and any change of name accomplished by an order of a court of this state, another state, the District of Columbia, or any territory of the United States. A petition for the issuance of a new birth certificate in those cases shall be filed with the superior court of the county where the petitioner resides. Summary: California will issue a birth certificate reflecting the proper sex." So a correct birth cirtificate must be issued. Two women will have two birth cirtificates that say they are two women. Eh? What the text states is that CA will issue a new (not ammended) birth certificate on completion of a sexual reassignment. Are you saying that you agree that a person assigned the sexual identity of male at birth who then undergoes sexual reassignment to become female is then born female in your opinion? If so, thanks for being progressive and open minded. If not, duck. You're still standing under the large whoosing sound.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 November 12, 2008 QuoteQuoteBTW, the script . . . in the business we call that satire. Sorry if the finer points of that are missed by some. Yeah. Got that. Then I called it a rediculous example just like relating gay marriage to beastiality. It shows how stupid the idea is of the government intrusion into something that isn't any of their business. Are you saying it is the business of government?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #18 November 12, 2008 May does not equal must. This country will meet it's end not at the tip of a blade, but simply though the failure of it's citizens to comprehend the English language.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #19 November 12, 2008 Quote This country will meet it's end not at the tip of a blade, but simply though the failure of it's citizens to comprehend the English language. A truer statement has never been spoken, I'm going to steal it for a signature as soon as I figure out how"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caress 0 #20 November 12, 2008 Quote It shows how stupid the idea is of the government intrusion into something that isn't any of their business. ------------------------------------------------------ It should be like this Marriage-a union between two people atleast 18 years of age.IMO Why complicate something that is not complicated? I am a Christian, but I do not think I have a right to tell people whether or not they can be married. That should be an AMERICAN freedom of choice-a federal law not just a state law, but the law period. I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #21 November 12, 2008 QuoteThat should be an AMERICAN freedom of choice-a federal law not just a state law, but the law period. Sometimes, the fed government has limited choices about what is legal in each state. I remember when they raised the legal drinking age from 18 to 21 years. Colorado was one of the last two states to hold out, and finally the government threatened to take away millions of dollars in highway funds. That kinda made sense, considering drinking and driving among young people was one of the key issues. But I don't know how the Fed could pressure states to change their laws. Taking away highway funding doesn't make sense. I also see the entire issue from a revenue perspective. The states and churches opposed to gay marriage are losing money to be had from gay weddings. The lawyers should've been strongly opposed - think of the money they could be making from gay divorce. Insurance companies would probably do better, since some people would pay slightly more to have both spouses insured - many couples can't afford individual insurance for both parties. The only thing prop 8 does is get gay couples to fly to another state to get married, and lose income for California.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites caress 0 #22 November 12, 2008 Taking away highway funding doesnt sound right to me either. I am just sick of all the bickering and shit from it all. Just as it is a choice to go to church or not, EVERY american should have the right to choose their mate male, female, hermaphidite. Not just male, female, hermaphidites living in the following states. I think that they should file joint tax returns and be able to have life insurance policies, and inherit the others things when their wife/hubby dies. Prop 8 sounds like it is trying to complicate something that is not complicated. It is not the revenue for California that interests me it is the freedom of choice that interests me.-Caress I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #23 November 12, 2008 Quote Eh? What the text states is that CA will issue a new (not ammended) birth certificate on completion of a sexual reassignment. Are you saying that you agree that a person assigned the sexual identity of male at birth who then undergoes sexual reassignment to become female is then born female in your opinion? If so, thanks for being progressive and open minded. If not, duck. You're still standing under the large whoosing sound. I was just quoting the link you posted. A birth certificate cannot just be changed at the whim of anyone. You're implying all gays (or half of them) will get sex changes in order to change their birth certificate. My argument still stands. The OP is apparently concerned that there's no possible way to tell who is a man and who is a woman. I think that's rediculous. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #24 November 12, 2008 QuoteMay does not equal must. This country will meet it's end not at the tip of a blade, but simply though the failure of it's citizens to comprehend the English language. Yeah. The clerk may ask to see a birth certificate if it's really a question of honesty. Where's the failure of comprehension there? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #25 November 12, 2008 Quote Are you saying it is the business of government? I'm undecided on the issue, thus far. My argument in this thread is against your concern that there will be a problem identifying male from female in CA. Are you saying we need smaller government? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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riddler 0 #21 November 12, 2008 QuoteThat should be an AMERICAN freedom of choice-a federal law not just a state law, but the law period. Sometimes, the fed government has limited choices about what is legal in each state. I remember when they raised the legal drinking age from 18 to 21 years. Colorado was one of the last two states to hold out, and finally the government threatened to take away millions of dollars in highway funds. That kinda made sense, considering drinking and driving among young people was one of the key issues. But I don't know how the Fed could pressure states to change their laws. Taking away highway funding doesn't make sense. I also see the entire issue from a revenue perspective. The states and churches opposed to gay marriage are losing money to be had from gay weddings. The lawyers should've been strongly opposed - think of the money they could be making from gay divorce. Insurance companies would probably do better, since some people would pay slightly more to have both spouses insured - many couples can't afford individual insurance for both parties. The only thing prop 8 does is get gay couples to fly to another state to get married, and lose income for California.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caress 0 #22 November 12, 2008 Taking away highway funding doesnt sound right to me either. I am just sick of all the bickering and shit from it all. Just as it is a choice to go to church or not, EVERY american should have the right to choose their mate male, female, hermaphidite. Not just male, female, hermaphidites living in the following states. I think that they should file joint tax returns and be able to have life insurance policies, and inherit the others things when their wife/hubby dies. Prop 8 sounds like it is trying to complicate something that is not complicated. It is not the revenue for California that interests me it is the freedom of choice that interests me.-Caress I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #23 November 12, 2008 Quote Eh? What the text states is that CA will issue a new (not ammended) birth certificate on completion of a sexual reassignment. Are you saying that you agree that a person assigned the sexual identity of male at birth who then undergoes sexual reassignment to become female is then born female in your opinion? If so, thanks for being progressive and open minded. If not, duck. You're still standing under the large whoosing sound. I was just quoting the link you posted. A birth certificate cannot just be changed at the whim of anyone. You're implying all gays (or half of them) will get sex changes in order to change their birth certificate. My argument still stands. The OP is apparently concerned that there's no possible way to tell who is a man and who is a woman. I think that's rediculous. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #24 November 12, 2008 QuoteMay does not equal must. This country will meet it's end not at the tip of a blade, but simply though the failure of it's citizens to comprehend the English language. Yeah. The clerk may ask to see a birth certificate if it's really a question of honesty. Where's the failure of comprehension there? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingOsh 0 #25 November 12, 2008 Quote Are you saying it is the business of government? I'm undecided on the issue, thus far. My argument in this thread is against your concern that there will be a problem identifying male from female in CA. Are you saying we need smaller government? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
FallingOsh 0 #24 November 12, 2008 QuoteMay does not equal must. This country will meet it's end not at the tip of a blade, but simply though the failure of it's citizens to comprehend the English language. Yeah. The clerk may ask to see a birth certificate if it's really a question of honesty. Where's the failure of comprehension there? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #25 November 12, 2008 Quote Are you saying it is the business of government? I'm undecided on the issue, thus far. My argument in this thread is against your concern that there will be a problem identifying male from female in CA. Are you saying we need smaller government? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
