Obamamomma gets racked!!

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SAT, 08NOV08 "The Fayetteville Observer" front page "Teacher says video clip doctored" Teacher Diatha D Harris appears in a video posted on YouTube 'A Fayetteville teacher is defending comments she made to fifth-graders who expressed support for John McCain in class last spring. ......
Saw the clip on FOX last night and the piece in the "Fay Ob" this morning for a shot at the clip go to www.youtube.com and for Superintendent Bill Harrison's statement go to www.ccs.k12.nc.us . If somebody doctored that clip then they are pretty good!! Anyway, the shrapnel is flying and it ain't cuz Barry won!! Check it out at www.fayobserver.com I thought the classroom was to be a place of political neutrality???? We report, you decide.

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Nowhere in life is neutral, and if parents don't like the way their child is being taught, take some action. Put them in a private school or home school, and teach them to think for themselves.

Unfortunately, parents in California can no longer home school their kids (they need a teaching cert).

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Nowhere in life is neutral, and if parents don't like the way their child is being taught, take some action. Put them in a private school or home school, and teach them to think for themselves.

Unfortunately, parents in California can no longer home school their kids (they need a teaching cert).

Oh ya, that was another satee SC law clarification wasn't it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Unfortunately, parents in California can no longer home school their kids (they need a teaching cert).

I wasn't aware of that, but I can't say I'm opposed. A friend homeschools his kids (he says they are "un-schooled). I think they are done a disservice, that will haunt them all of their life.

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Agreed 100%.

I have no problem with parents who wish to homeschool their kids, but they should guarantee their kid gets, at a minimum, an education equivalent to that they would receive via public education.

I've seen a significant amount of adults (some on DZ.com!) who probably shouldn't homeschool a child, at least not without some significant re-education of their own...

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

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I'm just wondering who the hell has the time to spend all those hours every day educating their children...

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I thought the classroom was to be a place of political neutrality?

Oh? Think back to your own K-12 schools. How is that even vaguely possible when most schools have a US flag in them, say the Pledge of Allegiance and sing the National Anthem at the start of the day? Most have photos of the current President of the US and most teach rather lopsided versions of history.

Neutral? Since when?

MOST US schools are at least marginally biased in favor of "towing the line" of the current political system.

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Unfortunately, parents in California can no longer home school their kids (they need a teaching cert).

I wasn't aware of that, but I can't say I'm opposed. A friend homeschools his kids (he says they are "un-schooled). I think they are done a disservice, that will haunt them all of their life.

I found this on the quick, but I've read and heard consistently that home schooled kids produce far superior results than the public school system. From my own observations, the kids of friends of mine that are home schooled, seem to be far more well-rounded as well.

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Results-of-Home-Schooling-vs-Public-Schools&id=583831

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Oh? Think back to your own K-12 schools. How is that even vaguely possible when most schools have a US flag in them, say the Pledge of Allegiance and sing the National Anthem at the start of the day? Most have photos of the current President of the US and most teach rather lopsided versions of history.

Neutral? Since when?

MOST US schools are at least marginally biased in favor of "towing the line" of the current political system.

Since when is saying the pledge of allegiance not neutral? That's not democrat or republican, that is American. If you want to stand up and say it's showing bias to the good ol' US of A, then so be it, but I don't think that the pledge of allegiance or national anthem is towing the line of a political party. Next thing you know you will be saying baseball is political because they sing the national anthem before the game

As far as I could remember the only politics that I have heard of in the class room is the die hard socialists that teach college in Kalifornia. No one can deny that at berkley the only requirement to get a passing grade is to stand up and publicly denounce Bush. Bill Ayers, an un-repentant terrorist is what? A college professor!! No one questions what he teaches. If you ask me, if this teacher was supporting Obama, it never would have made it to the news.

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Agreed 100%.

I have no problem with parents who wish to homeschool their kids, but they should guarantee their kid gets, at a minimum, an education equivalent to that they would receive via public education.

I've seen a significant amount of adults (some on DZ.com!) who probably shouldn't homeschool a child, at least not without some significant re-education of their own...

.jim

You really do not understand the requirments most states impose on those that home school do you.

And, not to put words in your mouth but, you also indicate that unless home schoolers have the same world view as you they should not be allowed to home school?

If I am correct in my assumption, your post demonstrates clearly why home schooling should be allowed

In the end, it is NOT the responsibility of the state to educate (indoctrinate) our children.....

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Since when is saying the pledge of allegiance not neutral?

If a kid refuses to pledge, they'll call him un-patriotic.

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As far as I could remember the only politics that I have heard of in the class room is the die hard socialists that teach college in Kalifornia.

Go to a business school some time. Or any classroom in a red state.

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Unfortunately, parents in California can no longer home school their kids (they need a teaching cert).

I wasn't aware of that, but I can't say I'm opposed. A friend homeschools his kids (he says they are "un-schooled). I think they are done a disservice, that will haunt them all of their life.

I found this on the quick, but I've read and heard consistently that home schooled kids produce far superior results than the public school system. From my own observations, the kids of friends of mine that are home schooled, seem to be far more well-rounded as well.

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Results-of-Home-Schooling-vs-Public-Schools&id=583831

I can believe it.

I knew a family that home-schooled their kids, and those kids were smart as hell.

One advantage of home-schooling is the classes don't have to be "dumbed down" to match the lowest common denominator.

And they can focus on the actual lessons rather than spending time on keeping order in a classroom full of 25-30 kids who don't want to be there.

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I found this on the quick, but I've read and heard consistently that home schooled kids produce far superior results than the public school system. From my own observations, the kids of friends of mine that are home schooled, seem to be far more well-rounded as well.

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Results-of-Home-Schooling-vs-Public-Schools&id=583831

I can believe it.

I knew a family that home-schooled their kids, and those kids were smart as hell.

One advantage of home-schooling is the classes don't have to be "dumbed down" to match the lowest common denominator.

And they can focus on the actual lessons rather than spending time on keeping order in a classroom full of 25-30 kids who don't want to be there.

What the article doesn’t acknowledge is that they’re comparing standardized test scores for students who take SATs. So high-achieving, highly-motivated students there may be advantages.

What’s been found is that home-schooled children tend to have greater parental involvement (which is almost tautological). Greater parental involvement one independent variable that correlates to higher achievement, as does higher education of the parents to begin. It also matters what kind of home-school one is assessing.

Essentially one is trying to compare two different groups, i.e., all the apples in the country and apples that were hand-selected by farmers.

This claim -- “adult illiteracy rates in 1840 Massachusetts were a low 2%” -- from Max's cited piece seems dubious, to put it diplomatically.

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Since when is saying the pledge of allegiance not neutral? That's not democrat or republican, that is American. If you want to stand up and say it's showing bias to the good ol' US of A, then so be it, but I don't think that the pledge of allegiance or national anthem is towing the line of a political party. Next thing you know you will be saying baseball is political because they sing the national anthem before the game

When and why do you think these traditions were instituted? You not knowing and just doing these things by rote, was the first step in your indoctrination.

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Unfortunately, parents in California can no longer home school their kids (they need a teaching cert).

Whereas, homeschooling in Oklahoma is supported/protected by the Oklahoma constitution. Most of the parents I know that are homeschooling their kids use one of the numerous accredited curriculum and have independent testing done by that chosen agency. In many cases, the home-schooled children exceed the scores of their peers in public school.

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You really do not understand the requirments most states impose on those that home school do you.

You really don't understand much of anything, do you, Marc?

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And, not to put words in your mouth but, you also indicate that unless home schoolers have the same world view as you they should not be allowed to home school?

If I am correct in my assumption, your post demonstrates clearly why home schooling should be allowed

In the end, it is NOT the responsibility of the state to educate (indoctrinate) our children

Define "world view", Marc. What is the acceptable variance on what could be taught in homeschooling? Some standardized curriculum should be required. 3 + 3 = 8?

Please, think of the children.

.jim

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You really do not understand the requirments most states impose on those that home school do you.

You really don't understand much of anything, do you, Marc?

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And, not to put words in your mouth but, you also indicate that unless home schoolers have the same world view as you they should not be allowed to home school?

If I am correct in my assumption, your post demonstrates clearly why home schooling should be allowed

In the end, it is NOT the responsibility of the state to educate (indoctrinate) our children

Define "world view", Marc. What is the acceptable variance on what could be taught in homeschooling? Some standardized curriculum should be required. 3 + 3 = 8?

Please, think of the children.

.jim

Wow, you think this is what I spoke of and deserves a reply??



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(think of the children)

What for? Incase they are taught to believe something different than you??

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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On another note.

I did a little google search and found this site for you.

I also found that in CA the lower court was overturned and that home schooling is legal in CA.

http://www.hslda.org/hs/state/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Marc,

If we replied only to posts that "deserved" a reply, you would be very lonely on DZ.com.

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What for? Incase they are taught to believe something different than you??

So what are the acceptable boundaries for home schooled educational curriculum? Are there any? Provide me some specific examples, I'm trying to understand your arguement.

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

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Nowhere in life is neutral, and if parents don't like the way their child is being taught, take some action. Put them in a private school or home school, and teach them to think for themselves.

Unfortunately, parents in California can no longer home school their kids (they need a teaching cert).

Do you have a cite for that?

I can't imagine that's going to go without a court challenge. I sure as hell know that if I still lived in California (not that I ever really plan on doing so again) I'd be suing.

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Marc,

If we replied only to posts that "deserved" a reply, you would be very lonely on DZ.com.

probably true!!

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What for? Incase they are taught to believe something different than you??

So what are the acceptable boundaries for home schooled educational curriculum? Are there any? Provide me some specific examples, I'm trying to understand your arguement.

.jim

3 + 3 = 8 ????

Come on, that was meant only as an insult or jab.

You have most likely found the link for home schooling by now so take a look.

Many studies have been done on home schoolers. They do a very good job in most cases

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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If you can't formulate a rebuttal, just say so, Marc.

It's your job to research and backup your claims.

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC

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If you can't formulate a rebuttal, just say so, Marc.

It's your job to research and backup your claims.

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YOUR claim not mine

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I've seen a significant amount of adults (some on DZ.com!) who probably shouldn't homeschool a child, at least not without some significant re-education of their own...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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You seem to claim that parents should be able to homeschool their child regardless of their own level of education, or their ability to educate their child. Is that not correct?

.jim

"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC