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can someone explain to me why Jesse Jackson is crying?

Yes, his cause just got that much harder. The vindictive can now hold the civil rights movement in a new light. No longer, can Jesse Jackson or Rev. Sharpton ride that lightning rod without it staining the leadership soon to take the helm in the White House.

President-elect Obama has achieved the amazing!

I wish him well, but still do not agree with his vision. I do not support his positions on universal health care, redistributive taxation, gun ownership, or his party's stance on defense spending -- just to name a few.

So where does that leave me? Well, as the legislation comes up, I communicate that to my representatives and senators, and expect them to oppose such items -- without compromise.

Do I want my party to treat President-elect Obama the way the democrats have treated President Bush? No. However, Speaker Pelosi and Sen. Reid (as well as the likes of Rep. Frank and Sen. Dodd, Schumer, and Kerry) leave little choice in the political circle I think.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Remember when the O.J. verdict wasn't a race issue until the television seperated the viewer's reactions?

Maybe Obama broke the silly chain of claiming to be the first black man to accomplish something.

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Why will our new president matter to them?

Cause with some better fiscal management the rest of the world won't have to lend you trillions of dollars.

Dude...have you seen his spending plan?

Oh yeah, it's going to be more than just taxes, the world's going to be buying heavy too....

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Bingo.

A lot of the coverage last night made it a race issue.
I was of the belief that wasn't the case...until last night.
I still don't think it should be about "a black person" being elected so much as "this black person" being elected.

But with the history of your nation in relation to your black population there is not a white person in the states can can appreciate the significance of this. to the black community.
and it is all about THIS black president, because for all the non coloured reason as well as the fact that he is the FIRST black president,
it's a very big deal

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

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Notice most of the old slave states are still red.

You mean those states that were solidly Democrat from Reconstruction up through about 1984?

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Notice most of the old slave states are still red.

Indeed. The tax burden is shouldered rather heavily by them.

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In terms of return on federal tax $$, the red states are living off the blue states, on average. Massive redistribution of wealth in their favor and they still have the nerve to whine about socialism.

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Nicely said and I fully agree.

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Notice most of the old slave states are still red.

You mean those states that were solidly Democrat from Reconstruction up through about 1984?

Indeed. When the Lyndon Johnson signed the civil rights bill in 1964, he said of the Democrats "We have lost the South for a generation."

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Remember when the O.J. verdict wasn't a race issue until the television seperated the viewer's reactions?

Maybe Obama broke the silly chain of claiming to be the first black man to accomplish something.

ya know..i'll be the first to admit that race IS an issue in this country. its becoming less and less of one, and in a few generations i really believe it won't matter anymore...but not now. it DOES matter. i think it sucks that black people are criticized as much for celebrating their achievements as they are for "not achieving".

again, its only been 40 years since the civil rights movement...many people alive today suffered horrible injustices, and for the life of me i cannot understand how one could even suggest that last night's accomplishment is "silly". to go from segregation to a black president in 4 decades is an EXTRAORDINARY feat. i feel that we do a tremendous disservice to ourselves and to our country's history by discounting what's happened in the last 24 hours.

obama IS the first black man to become president of our country. he IS the first to accomplish that. it saddens me to know that there are american citizens out there who can deny the significance of this. how?

Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison!

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The sillyness is when a black person is proud to be "the first black person". This shit has to stop.

If i was black, i would be very offended if that label was put on me as i don't view myself as "black" but just a man.

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The sillyness is when a black person is proud to be "the first black person". This shit has to stop.

If i was black, i would be very offended if that label was put on me as i don't view myself as "black" but just a man.

i understand what you're saying..i totally do. that's the question i've yet to be able to answer for myself. which is more productive (and more realistic): to disregard the achievement, and not label it as an achievement for black people? - because those lines are not supposed to even exist anymore, or to acknowledge the significance of it, but thereby "admit" that the race line exists?

i wish i could get the thoughts out of my head and into complete sentences..SO frustrating. i hope you get what i'm trying to say. lol.

Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison!

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If blacks want me to be color blind then they need to be as well.

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Why will our new president matter to them?

Possibly because we now have a president who will talk with them, and not at them.

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[klingeme 0]

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I noticed Okra (Oprah to the sensitive ones) was also bawling....like Ebekeneezer Baptist Church was.
IS this a race issue?

With results like this for Obama,(from CNN exit polling)

White Men (36%) 41% 57% 2%
White Women (39%) 46% 53% 1%
Black Men (5%) 95% 5% N/A
Black Women (7%) 96% 3% 1%

it is hard to say it was not about race for 95/96% of African Americans.

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Remember when the O.J. verdict wasn't a race issue until the television seperated the viewer's reactions?

Maybe Obama broke the silly chain of claiming to be the first black man to accomplish something.

ya know..i'll be the first to admit that race IS an issue in this country. its becoming less and less of one, and in a few generations i really believe it won't matter anymore...but not now. it DOES matter. i think it sucks that black people are criticized as much for celebrating their achievements as they are for "not achieving".

again, its only been 40 years since the civil rights movement...many people alive today suffered horrible injustices, and for the life of me i cannot understand how one could even suggest that last night's accomplishment is "silly". to go from segregation to a black president in 4 decades is an EXTRAORDINARY feat. i feel that we do a tremendous disservice to ourselves and to our country's history by discounting what's happened in the last 24 hours.

obama IS the first black man to become president of our country. he IS the first to accomplish that. it saddens me to know that there are american citizens out there who can deny the significance of this. how?

When is the last time your saw a christian white male that was "allowed" to celebrate because of it, yet we have Women's World Records in skydiving and First Black President, First Female VP Dem or Rep. It is not the majority forcing people to see the difference, it is these groups. Just get over it and consider everyone equal. The more differences are drawn attention to, the longer the lines will be clear.

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Just get over it and consider everyone equal.

Easy for you to say.

YOUR race hasn't been run into the ground for 400 years.

YOUR gender hasn't been run into the ground for thousands of years.

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[Cari 0]

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I noticed Okra (Oprah to the sensitive ones) was also bawling....like Ebekeneezer Baptist Church was.
IS this a race issue?

With results like this for Obama,(from CNN exit polling)

White Men (36%) 41% 57% 2%
White Women (39%) 46% 53% 1%
Black Men (5%) 95% 5% N/A
Black Women (7%) 96% 3% 1%

it is hard to say it was not about race for 95/96% of African Americans.

Statistically, the black population has strongly democratic leanings anyway. A black democrat surely bumped that up, but it isn't news that African Americans are more likely to vote dem than rep.

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I noticed Okra (Oprah to the sensitive ones) was also bawling....like Ebekeneezer Baptist Church was.
IS this a race issue?

With results like this for Obama,(from CNN exit polling)

White Men (36%) 41% 57% 2%
White Women (39%) 46% 53% 1%
Black Men (5%) 95% 5% N/A
Black Women (7%) 96% 3% 1%

it is hard to say it was not about race for 95/96% of African Americans.

I think those numbers are somewhat misleading. According to the CNN exit poll from 2004, 88% of African Americans voted for John Kerry. So, at least to me, saying that 95/96% voted based on race is possibly an overstatement.

Pendejo

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YOUR race hasn't been run into the ground for 400 years.

YOUR gender hasn't been run into the ground for thousands of years.

Did I choose my race? No. Am I running your race into the ground? No.

Did I choose my sex? No. Am I running your sex into the ground? No.

Have YOU been run into the ground for 400 years?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[skydyvr 0]

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Have YOU been run into the ground for 400 years?

No, but I hear Kallend has.

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Did I choose my race? No. Am I running your race into the ground? No.

Did I choose my sex? No. Am I running your sex into the ground? No.

1 down, a few more million to go. This also isn't an issue that can 't be solved with anecdotal evidence.

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Largely concur.

And I cried in celebration last night and I'm a white girl ... all y'all can ascribe that to a girl-thing or whatever. From my perspective it's more a cognizance of history.

I heartily agree sis and I am still doing it

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You mean those states that were solidly Democrat from Reconstruction up through about 1984?

Why yes I am... the ones that LEFT the Democratic party because they did not want to be in the same party with THOSE people...AND Lyndon Johnson because of the civil rights he supported. Tell's you something about many staunch southern rePUBICans there doesn't it.

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Just get over it and consider everyone equal.

Easy for you to say.

YOUR race hasn't been run into the ground for 400 years.

YOUR gender hasn't been run into the ground for thousands of years.

Asside from a few of his stances, I think Obama will make a great president. I'm for National Heathcare, Gay Rights, Assault weapons ban. I think Obama will do a great job. It just seems to me that race was much less of an issue to white people than it was to black people. With 95.5% it is hard to say Blacks were not voting "race based".

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Just get over it and consider everyone equal.

Easy for you to say.

YOUR race hasn't been run into the ground for 400 years.

YOUR gender hasn't been run into the ground for thousands of years.

Asside from a few of his stances, I think Obama will make a great president. I'm for National Heathcare, Gay Rights, Assault weapons ban. I think Obama will do a great job. It just seems to me that race was much less of an issue to white people than it was to black people. With 95.5% it is hard to say Blacks were not voting "race based".

That is indicative of very little if you compare it to other elections.

"Post Civil Rights Voting Patterns

The United States Census reported that 58 % of African Americans were voting in the presidential election of 1964. African Americans were voting Democratic 82% of the time. This number would swell to 92 % by 1968. With the exception of the 1972, 1984, and the 1992 elections Blacks would continue to give at least 80% of their collective votes to the Democratic presidential candidate says Minion K.C. Morris in African Americans and Political Participation."