CyniQ 0 #226 November 10, 2008 Didn't separate him self from the pack?? You mean when he said (as a Republican nominee) that we should exit Iraq immediately? Or was it when he suggested our return to the Gold Standard that he failed to differentiate himself? The reason Ron Paul got no traction is because politics is performance art. Period. You think you care about the "issues", but you don't. If you did, then CNN wouldn't have spent hours this morning talking about what kind of dog the Obama family may get.Tout est pour le mieux dans le meilleur des mondes possibles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #227 November 10, 2008 no matter what happens americans NEVER fail to entertain the rest of the world the reactions on the fox news forums are HILARIOUS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ion01 1 #228 November 10, 2008 Politics is all about performance and in this area Oboma performed incredibly. He gave the people what they wanted to hear without really saying anything or really addressing the issue and kept himself a mystery. People put there "hope" in a man who they don't know where he stands on the issue and how he truely plans to fix the problems of this nation.....oh I mean how he plans to "make a nation" as he said in his speech. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUdjhKbImwE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #229 November 10, 2008 Which video ??? I have the choice ... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoShitThereIWas 0 #230 November 10, 2008 That was an interesting video and I am glad I watched it... That Reverend Whatever his name is is undoubtedly a crazy kook who has some serious issues with what he perceives as white power. I don't get that Obama shares his same extremism though in his ideas about the "Black Liberation Philosophy" or whatever they called it. I did not read much into any of the statements taken from Obama in their presentation. It seemed like a typical Republican ploy toward propaganda appealing to the fear of the American people and preying on the mystery behind the man; trying to convince us that we have elected a black, Muslim, terrorist, socialist, who is going to be wearing a black pointy hat on his head telling whites who their new slave owners will be. Come on, give me a break. I thought it was a little far fetched myself.Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dougjumper 0 #231 November 11, 2008 QuoteBTW, "THE PEOPLE" have already woken up that is the reason Obama was elected. Not really. Too many uninformed people that didn't do their Homework going by somebody that promises to do a whole hell of alot. I wonder what excuse he's gonna have when all this money he promised doesn't come through. He's gonna give you money allright then tax the HELL out of you and me to get it back. Like I said way Too many promises. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #232 November 11, 2008 Nope. A lot of his supporters point his influences to Ayn rand. As far as other influences (obscure economist reference) von mises._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #233 November 11, 2008 Quotethat we should exit Iraq immediately? He wasn't the only one who said that. QuoteOr was it when he suggested our return to the Gold Standard that he failed to differentiate himself? This is where he definitely defferentiated; but in a wrong way. This is some serious lack of economic knowledge. The gold standard and it's belief is the equivalent of the perpetual motion machine of physics. It's junk economics. It failed in the seventies; it definitely isn't going to work today. Read up on the Bretton-woods act. QuoteThe reason Ron Paul got no traction is because politics is performance art. Period. Exactly. He totally sucked at it. He said the wrong things. People may not like the truth, but they definitely are more repulsed by uninformed beliefs._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #234 November 11, 2008 QuoteQuoteBTW, "THE PEOPLE" have already woken up that is the reason Obama was elected. Not really. Too many uninformed people that didn't do their Homework going by somebody that promises to do a whole hell of alot. I wonder what excuse he's gonna have when all this money he promised doesn't come through. He's gonna give you money allright then tax the HELL out of you and me to get it back. Like I said way Too many promises. Sore loser #6... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,122 #235 November 11, 2008 QuoteWow, are you kidding me? The fact that our president is friends with a man who is unrepentant about bombing various buildings and only wished he would've done more. You know the saying, you become like the people you surround yourself with? The Bush family made a large part of their wealth from dealing with the Nazi's during WWII. Do you condemn that as loudly or are you a nazi? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #236 November 11, 2008 Quote Quote I have just hung my flag outside with a light shining upon it. It's hanging upside downR.I.P. Sore loser #4 So, what was your sore loser # from 2004, professor?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #237 November 11, 2008 QuoteIt is about time we got someone in there who is not a greedy Republican looking to pad the wallets of Fat Cats. Absolutely - now we have a greedy Democrat padding the wallets of OTHER fat cats - now THERE's change for you. QuoteAll I can say is Republicans go home, it is time for some Good Change for a Change! Is that the CHANGE that we HOPE we have left from our paychecks so we can take the kids for a happy meal on the weekends?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #238 November 11, 2008 QuoteQuoteI have made no insults Although I'm quite sure you're just tossing shit...hanging a US Flag upside down is an insult to all the veterans of this nation. It's an insult to the processes of democracy. It's an insult to those that are currently fighting wars to protect and assert our right to the democratic process. It's an insult to anyone who is a patriot and believes in the Pledge of Allegiance that most of us speak when we see the flag of our country pass by. It's an insult that you'd call yourself an American and yet piss on the very process that makes our country great. Yeah....it's an insult. For all the worry, Obama addressed it well when he said that winning the election is not the victory, but merely the chance to be victorious, changing what's wrong with our government. Anyone who doesn't believe our government is in serious need of change is seriously sick in the head. And therefore may not be aware of what constitutes an insult? Nice... accuse him of mental illness because he mentions hanging a flag upside down? Did you have the same objection to the flag on the DNC convention passes, perchance?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #239 November 11, 2008 Quote . . . that in the first amendment of the constitution of the united states of america, the separation of church and state is expressed.. Um...no, it's not - the amendment states that Congress will make no law respecting an establishment of religion or the free exercise thereof. NOTHING is said about a separation of church and state. That's twice now in this thread you've said that, and twice now that you've been corrected. Quote now, not being american myself, how does it come that such a lot of god-loving, righteous and upright american citizens seem to know such a little about their own agenda? THAT IS FUCKING SAD!!! Because you're wrong?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #240 November 11, 2008 Quotetaking away your rights, are you fucking kidding me? who came up with patriot act, taking away FUNDAMENTAL rights of your bunch!? sure it wasnt a democrat! Care to show us just WHAT the Dems have done since getting control of congress in 07 to change that? ... Yeah, that's what I thought.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #241 November 11, 2008 (Not directed at you mike but a general thought) You know there is a lot of reasons to not like Bush. He has fucked up so many things that if I want to list them all I might suffer from carpal tunnel. When and if Obama fucks the country as much as Bush then I want the conservatives to criticize him but until he does it would be great if every one just shut the hell up and give the guy a chance. There is no reason to not like Obama or criticize him on a job that he has not even started yet.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #242 November 11, 2008 QuoteQuotetaking away your rights, are you fucking kidding me? who came up with patriot act, taking away FUNDAMENTAL rights of your bunch!? sure it wasnt a democrat! Care to show us just WHAT the Dems have done since getting control of congress in 07 to change that? ... Yeah, that's what I thought. That's why I didn't vote in this election. If McCain or Obama had made an issue of the Patriot Act at all (neither of them did), I may have been motivated enough to get out there and vote. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dougjumper 0 #243 November 11, 2008 Quote Sore loser #6 Don't think so. I'm straight down the line. You might need to do your homework. Besides I don't like politicians to say at least. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #244 November 12, 2008 Quote Quote Quote I have just hung my flag outside with a light shining upon it. It's hanging upside downR.I.P. Sore loser #4 So, what was your sore loser # from 2004, professor? He is actually #1, but he just forgot to issue his own #Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CyniQ 0 #245 November 12, 2008 QuoteQuotethat we should exit Iraq immediately? He wasn't the only one who said that. The context of the discussion would have implied that we were talking about Paul with respect to other GOP candidates. So... what other Republican candidate suggested an immediate withdrawal from Iraq? QuoteQuoteOr was it when he suggested our return to the Gold Standard that he failed to differentiate himself? This is where he definitely defferentiated; but in a wrong way. This is some serious lack of economic knowledge. The gold standard and it's belief is the equivalent of the perpetual motion machine of physics. It's junk economics. It failed in the seventies; it definitely isn't going to work today. Read up on the Bretton-woods act. I wouldn't suggest that I believe whole-heartedly in a return to convertability... but creating dollars out of thin air only devalues your savings account. What do you suggest? QuoteQuoteThe reason Ron Paul got no traction is because politics is performance art. Period. Exactly. He totally sucked at it. He said the wrong things. People may not like the truth, but they definitely are more repulsed by uninformed beliefs. People are CONFUSED by that which they do not understand. Paul brought up excellent points and had interesting ideas. If you can't admit that... than you're either being intentionally dishonest for the sake of debate (which I'm fine with), or you're truly an idiot. Obama won because he chose very simple themes and repeated them. Over and over and over and over and over again. There was nothing complicated or substantive about him. BARACK OBAMA IS TOBY KEITH. Modern country music sells because it's uncomplicated and the lyrics are easy to understand. That's exactly why you buy Obama.Tout est pour le mieux dans le meilleur des mondes possibles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #246 November 12, 2008 QuoteThe context of the discussion would have implied that we were talking about Paul with respect to other GOP candidates. So... what other Republican candidate suggested an immediate withdrawal from Iraq? I wasn't arguing just inside the Republican candidates. I was referring to all candidates. QuoteI wouldn't suggest that I believe whole-heartedly in a return to convertability... but creating dollars out of thin air only devalues your savings account. What do you suggest? I suggest keep floating the dollar. Its the best thing to keep the value as true as possible. If your savings has devalued, that's a fault of investment strategies. the dollar will always depreciate. The dollar isn't unconvertable. That's the purpose of its existance. Monetary policy is something that is misunderstood by many. this "printing money" argument is a red herring. Putting money in and out of the economy is a tool. This is also seriously misunderstood. QuotePeople are CONFUSED by that which they do not understand. Paul brought up excellent points and had interesting ideas I would say his ideas are more "different". I just don't believe that all alternative thinking is good. A lot of his ideas seriously falls flat to operability and realism. QuoteObama won because he chose very simple themes and repeated them. Over and over and over and over and over again. There was nothing complicated or substantive about him. BARACK OBAMA IS TOBY KEITH. Modern country music sells because it's uncomplicated and the lyrics are easy to understand. That's exactly why you buy Obama. Now you are getting it! This is how to play the game. It's sad, but it will always work._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #247 November 12, 2008 Quote SO..... inquiring minds want to know.... did you swim the Rio Grande... nope... he canoed it scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #248 November 12, 2008 Quotemany of you should learn to readso when you say the country is so much in distress they had to vote for Mister Obama, is it because Mister McCain doesn't seem to be a sloution to the crap Mister Bush did with the country ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chadkal 0 #249 November 12, 2008 No, I never said that they had to vote for Obama, just that electing him shows evidence that the country is in distress. As far as McCain having a solution,... I don't believe he did. I am not a suporter of McCain or Bush,.. but Obama was by far the worst choice of all the possible candidates -------------------------------------------------- I am a greek midget Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CyniQ 0 #250 November 12, 2008 QuoteI wasn't arguing just inside the Republican candidates. I was referring to all candidates. How can that be when I specifically qualified my statement that it was unusual (for a Republican candidate). Even so... which Democratic presidential candidate advocated IMMEDIATE withdrawal? Quotethis "printing money" argument is a red herring. Putting money in and out of the economy is a tool. This is also seriously misunderstood. When do we take money out of the economy? The more we put in, the more the value of the dollar deteriorates. QuoteI just don't believe that all alternative thinking is good. A lot of his ideas seriously falls flat to operability and realism. THAT... I agree with. QuoteQuoteBARACK OBAMA IS TOBY KEITH. Modern country music sells because it's uncomplicated and the lyrics are easy to understand. That's exactly why you buy Obama. Now you are getting it! This is how to play the game. It's sad, but it will always work. Lowest common denominator...Tout est pour le mieux dans le meilleur des mondes possibles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
